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Shame on the unions

Original post made by Sigh, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Aug 1, 2011

This is getting pathetic. I sure hope it doesn't portend things to come:

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 1, 2011 at 11:58 am

Unions aren't perfect and neither is management.

now everybody have a cheery day...

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Posted by Big Burt
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 1, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Unions bad. Management good. Ugh. Unions dissuade voters from supporting initiative. Owners dissuade voters from voting, period. Unions bad, Management good. Rush white an good. Obama black and bad.

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Posted by public employee unions bad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 1, 2011 at 4:13 pm

Private sector unions, at least in the building trades, are suffering from 40% unemployment and probably 60% underemployment (working well less than 40 hours per week). That's a big problem for them. If there isn't work they don't earn credit toward: healthcare, vacation pay, holiday pay, and if they're let go after working reduced hours; unemployment compensation is reduced. Every financial perk is based on the hours worked. And the hours worked aren't guaranteed or plentiful.

Compare that to the overpaid public sector unions that receive more in wages, better pensions, increased vacation & holiday pay, tuition reimbursement, health care benefits, can show up and work eight hours even when there is only four hours of work, and won't get let go for just about any viable reason.

In th private sector building trades, they don't fire you they just tell you the job you're working on is slowing down, or completed.

In the public sector they just tell you to look busy when times are slow.

The public sector is decreasing funding for things like building construction, parks, bike trails, and roads (hit hard) and those funds are being used to pay the increased salary costs, increased pension costs, and increasing healthcare costs of the public sector union employees. Those dollars that once paid for private sector union projects are now in the bank accounts of public union employees.

Redevelopment Agencies aren't an issue in Pleasanton but they are in many cities across the state. Much of that money went to private sector unions in the form of capital improvement projects or the Project Labor Agreements that are now disappearing. Why is that happening? Because the money once used for those projects is being diverted to pay for all things that comprise public sector employment/salary/benefits.

Cholo, public sector unions and private sector unions have little left in common.

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Posted by privare sector union
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 1, 2011 at 7:41 pm

From a friend of mine:

The trade unions have taken a huge hit. Many of our members have lost their medical benefits because they haven't been able to work enough hours to qualify/maintain the medical. The union provides additional compensation beyond our unemployment check but our unemployment check is based on wages that reflect reduced hours. Our local labor council is asking everyone to stay strong but we are aware that some on the executive board, including the director, have retired from public safety with a pension of 126K per year (half of which is tax free) and this 51 year old is telling us to stay strong.

Some members are still all about union strong, but both young & old are beginning to question the one-for-all and all-for-one mentality. We all see the difference in the treatment of the "golden boy" public sector unions and are own predicament. 40% unemployment is the norm while the public unions are complaining about a couple of unpaid furlow days that will be spent fishing or golfing.

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Posted by Nope
a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on Aug 1, 2011 at 8:03 pm

No, what's pathetic is your tea party that almost destroyed our country. That's pathetic.

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Posted by Mel
a resident of Amador Estates
on Aug 1, 2011 at 11:56 pm

I've got three good friends in the industry who have been profitting handsomely by employing non-union, undocumented laborers at 1/3 what the unions demand.

The income intake of the wealthy over the past couple of decades has increased by 270%. The income intake of the bottom 80% of workforce has flatlined. And here's some sick jokers above trying to blame the income disparity on union pensions? Even a ten year-old could see through that kicked up bit of dust.

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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2011 at 6:31 am

Really? Then why do all CA polls show the vast majority of people believe that public union pensions need to be fixed to make it more fair to the tax paying people who actually fund those pensions?

There is something morally wrong with increasing the taxes of one group so that another group can retire at very young ages while at the same time Social Security is being restructured so that benefits are being reduced and/or retirement ages being extended.

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Posted by Leland
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 2, 2011 at 7:38 am

Speaking as a wealthy rich white guy who inherited his millions from his Daddy, if a significant segment of CA is concerned about public worker salaries/pensions, it may be because they are woefully confused such as Really? above. Still, I rather like how Really? seems unable/unwilling to address the problem of top 5% experiencing a 270% income rise at the expense of the working/middle classes. I rather relish how people like Really? can only point an accusatory finger at public sector workers. Me and my people make sure our corporate-owned media foster such confusion and zeal. A big thanks and shout-out and a little doggie treat to my friend, Really?, who gobbles up the misinformation and uses it as basis for attacking minority-based entitlement groups and the minority-based workers who make up a goodly percentage of public sector workers.

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Posted by Independent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2011 at 7:45 am

Once again the race card - like to boy crying wolf ...

Leland, have you ever looked at Pleasanton's degrading finances and determined for yourself where the issue is? Hint - employee salaries/benefits exploded these past few years and now make up the majority of the general budget and are crowding out the other important elements of the budget.

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Posted by Colleen
a resident of Civic Square
on Aug 2, 2011 at 7:59 am

Somebody said 'fiscal fetishism'. Then get a load of "Independent." Don't ya gotta love it?

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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 2, 2011 at 9:44 am

'Nope'- (rhymes with?)-how exactly has the Tea Party almost destroyed the country? Which country are you referring to? The one obama is dismantling orthe one you came from?

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Posted by Harry
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Aug 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm

... or the one you came from? Good one, Steve! Let's all get Nope and the others who werent born here to leave.

The Tea Party has taught us that the 13 founding fathers were all white and only owned slaves as a fiscally responsible way to protect their darkies from succumbing to things like the potato famine in Ireland. And who are we, or anyone else, thinking we're justified in criticizing what was a very productive practice for those who were willing to work hard and save up for a home?

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