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Conservative Principles in Action: Indiana Now $1.2 Billion in the Black

Original post made by ConservatismWorks on Jul 15, 2011

Will democrats EVER "get it???" (Hey Calif...will you ever learn?)

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State Auditor Tim Berry said Indiana finished the fiscal year on June 30 with nearly $1.2 billion in the bank, more than 40 percent above last year's finish, when tax revenues were plunging and budget makers were worried that the state would run out of money this year.

Berry said the rebound happened because of a recovery in tax collections and Gov. Mitch Daniels' success in cutting the budget.

While the state received $1.34 billion less than it had anticipated over a two-year period, it spent $1.52 billion less than it had budgeted for in June 2009.

“Without raising taxes and by carefully watching spending, Indiana state government has continued to live within its means," Berry said. “For those who believe that raising taxes is the only way out of a fiscal crisis, I say take a look at the Hoosier state."

Indiana's financial situation is far better than its neighboring states, particularly Illinois, which implemented massive tax increases to shore up its finances.

Comments (19)

Posted by Blossom, a resident of Stoneridge Orchards
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:14 am

Thank you Weasel Zipper, the nation's most credible news source! Let's see, take food out of impoverished kids' mouths and ravage even more severely a public education system that even in the best of times could only produce Dan Quayle. What's not to like?


Posted by Leland, a resident of Happy Valley
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:17 am

What a coincidence. I just decided yesterday with my consultants that I'll be moving six of my retail outlets out of Indiana. The cuts to the public sector workers and the poor have left an already anemic consumer pool inadequate to the task of making money for me.


Posted by ConservatismWorks, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:25 am

Hey Blossom,
You are a abject fool.
Indiana just passed a school choice program whereby parents will have the right to choose which school is best for their kids. A far superior program to California's.

And Leland...we shall see how the rate of business growth per capita in Indiana compares to California. I'd be happy to wager my bet on Indiana. (BTW: Where are you relocating your retail outlets? Oakland? or Anywhere in CA? If so, you must LOVE higher taxes and regulation!!! Be sure to let us know if you are a publicly traded company...so I can short your stock.)

Yours truly...


Posted by Leland, a resident of Happy Valley
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:41 am

Two are going to Prague. One to Australia. Three to New Zealand. I was making profit in Hoosierville, but not enough to satisfy my hunger for larger profits. Used the profits made here in good ol' USA to get several operations up and running around the world. I will keep my US citizenship because I'm loyal -- unless Obama's tyranny succeeds in paring away my tax cuts. Then all bets are off.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Jul 15, 2011 at 10:39 am

That right! Conservatives want to make us the next India with a huge underclass. Can't wait for the next nutty right-wing idea on the PW forum!


Posted by conservatismworks, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 15, 2011 at 12:26 pm

sal,
i find it very revealing that so many democrats (aka socialusts, marxists, etc) refer to the existence of "class systems." this is a marxist term. they believe in class systems where it is difficult if not impossible to move between these classes.

conservatives rarely refer to a "class" system because they realize in a free market system, one can move in and out of having little wealth to substantial wealth throughout their lives. i have been dirt poor and relatively wealthy and now i am in-between. so at each stage, i never categorized myself as belonging to a specific class.

kee up your marxist rhetoric. but you don't fool people like me who believe in the free market ... the system that has made this country great. now if we can just defeat these marxist democrats in government, American may have a chance to survive. but it looking grim.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Jul 15, 2011 at 12:58 pm

If "conservative principles" are so superior to "liberal principles", then doesn't it stand to reason that states where "conservative principles" are strongest should be the best, most desirable places to live? You know, places like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc?


Posted by ConservatismWorks, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 15, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Actually Sam...you are right. With the slight exception of your examples above. You cannot control factors like weather and geography, etc. re: desirability.

Consider all the States and major metro areas that have been dominated by Democrat Governors and Mayors. Budget nightmares, economic disasters, high crime, high taxes, high unemployment, high government dependency. Re: Cities...Oakland, Detroit, Newark, SF, New Orleans, etc.

Now consider conservative run States and cities. Lower unemployment especially. In Louisana for example, Gov. Jindal is turning that liberal state around economically. States like Texas, Indiana, Utah, North Dakota, their economies are much better.

The BigGovernment Democrats and their policies are destroying the American economy, entrepreneurism, the American family, and our culture.


Posted by Henrick, a resident of California Reflections
on Jul 15, 2011 at 3:11 pm

Steve, without reason or evidence, calls Blossom "a abject fool [sic]" and doesn't get censored. While others who have more serious things to say do get censored. Is this because even the editors at PW don't take what Steve has to say seriously?


Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jul 16, 2011 at 11:44 am

Henrick: I, too, have observed that not only "steve" but other Tea Partiers have been granted a "license to ill" by the P-Weekly staff. No idea why, make of it what you will.

ConservatismWorks: Need help loading your U-Haul for your imminent departure to the paradise that is Indiana? Why not Mississippi instead?

Oh, and did I mention that those "Red States" you love so much are heavily subsidized by California and other "Blue States"?

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If you follow the link, California gets 78 cents back for every $1 paid in federal taxes. Indiana receives 1.05 for each tax dollar it pays.

So, Indiana is a "welfare queen" state and California is Indiana's "sugar daddy".

Sounds like Socialism to me, a rich state subsidizing a poor one.

Heck, why not move to the bastion of rugged individualism while you're at it: Alaska! Which receives $1.84 for every $1 it pays in federal taxes. Or Mississippi, which receives $2.02 for every $1 it pays in federal taxes.

And while you're there, ask the good folks how they like their California-paved roads, will you?


Posted by Max Weber, a resident of Sycamore Place
on Jul 16, 2011 at 12:36 pm

@ conservatismworks: "i find it very revealing that so many democrats (aka socialusts, marxists, etc) refer to the existence of "class systems." this is a marxist term. they believe in class systems where it is difficult if not impossible to move between these classes."

Again, the ignorance level of the intellectually challenged right-wingers who hang out here is beyond belief. They hear the word 'class' and think whoever wrote/uttered it must be a Marxist. Obviously they haven't been to college where they'd have learned in any social science-related class that American sociologists and political scientists, many of whom are not Marxist, use class analysis as a standard indice for such questions as wealth distribution, class conflict, social mobility, socialization of lower classes v. upper classes, how classes are stratified and how stratified classes line up with, say, educational opportunity.

I guess, while wallowing in one's small-world, dunce-like ignorance, it's easier simply to say we're all the same and everyone has the same opportunities. Isn't that what we hear on the Fox channel day after day? And education? The ignorant clown honks out: Who needs it?


Posted by Richard , a resident of Verona
on Jul 16, 2011 at 1:52 pm

Thanks to YAT and MW for their pointed remarks. You'll never shut the clowns up, nor do we want to. But we do need to continue to expose the assault of ignorance that has been launched upon this great nation.


Posted by Max, a resident of Sycamore Place
on Jul 16, 2011 at 3:27 pm

Right you are, Richard. It really is no small wonder that so few republicans/teapartytypes/conservatives are college professors. For those who are attracted to right-wing values tend not to be well-educated. Once in a while some money-raising Republican outfit will raise a hissy fit about how academia should have a "fair" distribution of righties along with lefties. What they fail to address is the inescapable fact that entry into academia is based on intellectual merit, not political persuasion. The top colleges and universities having a disproportionately high percentage of lefties only underscores how intellectual deficit truly has become the exclusive province of the right.

We see it on these postings time and again. Blustery right-wing ignoramuses come across a point of view from the right-wing media circuit (e.g. Rush or Hannity), or a cognitively deformed right-wing opinion piece, or a set of numbers (pant-pant), and they then introduce them here, albeit without having shown evidence of any thought or reflection behind their postings. Of course, rational thought or reflection requires skill sets acquired in one's educational experiences -- something that is sorely lacking by many if not all of the right-wing posters on these PW threads.

What is most astounding is the confidence these know-nothings exude when attempting to tell my kids' teachers how to teach. And then there's their witchhunting crusades. I guess every community has had them -- gossiping, know-nothing meddlers who want people around them to suffer so.


Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jul 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm

While we're singing the praises of Indiana, how did Governor Daniels balance the budget?

By refusing to increase the burden on the strongest and richest and heaping it instead of the weakest and most vulnerable citizens of Indiana, of course:

<blockquote)Indiana State Capitol Building image

With 2011 barely a month old, advocates in Indiana reeled from incoming reports that Indiana's budget crunch has become so severe that some state workers suggested to families that they leave their family members with disabilities at homeless shelters.

While the Indiana Bureau of Developmental Disabilities Services (BDDS) officially said this is not the agency's policy, parents were told this was one option when families can no longer care for children at home and have not received Medicaid waivers that pay for services that support individuals living independently.

While news reports said that "there have been no confirmed cases of families dumping severely disabled people at homeless shelters because Indiana wouldn't provide the care needed," advocates received conflicting reports. Kim Dodson, Associate Executive Director of The Arc of Indiana asserted that reports had been received of state workers in several BDDS's eight regional offices steering families to take adults with disabilities to homeless shelters. </blockquote>

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Welcome to the Conservative's America, where state workers encourage families to throw their loved ones away like so much garbage. O brave new world! That has such people in it! (That's Shakespeare...one of those fruity English literary types...if he was alive today he'd be writing "scripts" for a "reality show", I'm sure.)


Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jul 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm

And furthermore (still researching!)...

Seems Indiana's "budget crisis", just like Wisconsin's, was CREATED by its Republican Governor:

"Updated: Apr 6, 2011 2:48 PM

Indiana homeowners and businesses have seen their tax bills cut by more than $655 million since the General Assembly approved property tax caps in 2008. But the savings have come at the expense of local governments, which have been forced to cut millions and reduce services to compensate for the lost revenue.

Gov. Mitch Daniels says the caps make Indiana's property taxes some of the lowest in the nation. The caps limit property tax bills to 1 percent of a home's assessed values, with caps of 2 percent for farmland and rental property and 3 percent for business property.

Lawmakers amended them into the state constitution in November in hopes of making them more difficult to undo.

Daniels told The Associated Press he sees a need for consolidation of "redundant" local units that are too small to operate efficiently.

"I think where there was overspending, (the tax caps are) bringing discipline," Daniels said. "In places where spending is more reasonable, there's still more opportunity for reform at the local level."

But for counties like Delaware, Madison, Marion and St. Joseph, the caps have instead brought about painful decisions about what government can pay for.

Marty Wolfson, professor and director of the Higgins Labor Study Program at the University of Notre Dame, said the law came at a time when the recession was depressing home values, which meant less tax revenue for local governments even before the tax caps took effect.

Unlike tax credits in other states, where homeowners who struggled to pay property taxes could be exempt, Indiana's caps missed the point because they benefit businesses at the expense of homeowners who have to pay the fee regardless, according to Wolfson.

"It's not the best policy to begin with. And it was made worse by the recession," Wolfson said. "There are these circuit-breaker laws in other states. And to my understanding, the other states that adopt circuit breakers tie this to the ability to pay the property tax liability."

Some worry the caps are beginning to erode local governments' core functions, especially public safety."

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In other words: Daniels throws a $655 million gift into the laps of businesses, one that doesn't help homeowners, local governments have to lay off firefighters and cops, and THEN Daniels cries "Budget deficit!" and cuts even more.

And now he's considered "presidential material" for this transparent scam.

Is this a great country, or what?


Posted by IKnow, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 18, 2011 at 9:18 am

Has anyone been to Indiana lately? It's pretty backward - no one here would want to live there. Very dreary, old and run-down. If that appeals to you - then go for it.


Posted by Jim from Hickville, ID, a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jul 18, 2011 at 9:36 am

... and they're educationist system is going down the toobs.


Posted by ILoveCalifornia, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 18, 2011 at 11:17 am

Seriously? If Indiana is being held up on a pedestal then the world is going crazy! Sounds like the initiator of this thread should have done more homework. California is a great place to live. If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to stay here.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 18, 2011 at 12:18 pm

i agree...conversation works!


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