Controller publishes state government payroll figures State, National, International, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Jul 6, 2011 at 8:51 am
State Controller John Chiang today updated his website showing the salary, pension benefits and other compensation for 256,222 state employees as well as 123,406 employed by the California State University system.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 2:47 PM
Posted by Government employee, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 6, 2011 at 9:12 am
It is all justified. We work hard at very stressful jobs and make many a sacrifices. We are entitled to make on average more than taxpayers who fund our salaries and retirement. We just need to raise your taxes a bit more to cover all this.
Posted by Gil, a resident of Livermore, on Jul 7, 2011 at 7:11 am
Let's see. Cops and firefighters put their lives on the line, and teachers invest their lives in helping our children acquire life skills and knowledge. I wake up at 7 (usually 8ish), vomit forth some inanities for an hour on this site, go to work and sweep floors for four hours a day, rush back home to vomit additional inanities this site, and these state employees think they should make more than I do? OMG. Wake up people! The tsunami title wave is up on us!
Posted by Give me a break, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 7:31 am
People don't fall for this "my job is more dangerous, therefore I deserve to get paid a lot and retire early" line. See the following BLS statistics. Nowhere on this list are policemen, firemen, teachers, etc. We are being scammed by the government sector.
Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics 2010)
Posted by Tea Party Texan, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 7:59 am
Yes! This has always been my argument! The educational training and skill levels of truck drivers, roofers, loggers, and fishermen warrants that they should be paid more than police, fire fighters and teachers. Next time you're in trouble -- house is burning, car accident with your relatives' body parts strewn across the highway -- disregard the government's scam. Call a logger instead.
Posted by Give me a break, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:07 am
So Tea Party Texan, you seem to be a big fan of public employees and seem to support their "higher than private industry" compensation because of their supposed education levels.
If this is the case, please help me understand why starting salaries of policemen/firemen (with total comp of policemen/firemen being much higher) are higher than engineers when engineers typically have much more education which is at a more challenging level?
Posted by Tea Party Texan, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:13 am
You're so right and misunderstand me. I think engineers are far more important to society than teachers. Loggers two. Face it, I'm uneducated like you and the other tea party folks and rescent my neighbor's kids getting a better education than I did. We're on the same side, don't you see?
Posted by Give me a break, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:19 am
Texan - You must really be afraid of the Tea Party and the impact they are having given your tactics. Best of luck selling your bankrupt ideas to others. But you may want to put out a bit more effort - you seem to be losing ground in the court of public opinion. Even Obama acknowledged yesterday during his Twitter event that on average public employees make more than private employees and this issue needs to be corrected.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:19 am
I just want to say that I am extremely bouyed by the idea of floor sweepers bashing teachers bashing loggers bashing roofers bashing engineers bashing cops. It keeps the conversational focus where it should be: workers bashing other workers. Next time any of my employees ask me for a raise, I'll simply find a position that earns more and use it against him. With all my Daddy's money and never having worked beyond having to hire accountants to preserve my wealth, perhaps I should sympathize with the poor working suckers out there. But I don't. Cheers!
Posted by Utopia, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 9:02 am
Leland - Can you help me understand how your world would work - a world where workers would get paid what they felt they were worth, not based on what value they created? Who would artibrate this? Who is in the "all seeing and knowing" position to have the perspective to make these decisions?
Heck in this world, I'd chose the shortest week with the least demanding job and demand $200K/year. It is human nature to want to get something for nothing.
Please help me understand your utopian world you are nudging us towards.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Nothing to enlighten. Only to preserve. I'm one of those who gets to do the least demanding of all jobs -- hire someone else to do the work for me. It's human nature for me to have inherited 1/2 billion from my Daddy. And its human nature for you working-class suckers to fight over crumbs I leave behind. Keep on bashing one another. And keep your dirty mitts off of my wealth.
Posted by Utopia, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Wow Leland - all these words about how capital is exploiting labor but no attempt at explaining how your perfect system would work. Please do take pity on all us uninformed out there and fill us in on how it would actually work.
Or are you continue continue to dodge substance and continue to post tongue-in-cheek responses with the hope of tearing down the other side?
Posted by Jason, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Police officers and fire fighters make far more in salary and retirement than military personnel working in much more dangerous environments. They also aren't deployed for months at a time away from their families.
Most CA police officers and firefighters earn more than senior military officers (Major/O-4 and above). Local government pay is being driven by unions not the risk associated with the jobs or the need to pay exorbitant wages in order to attract qualified candidates.
Posted by Ummm, a resident of another community, on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:57 pm
"Most CA police officers and firefighters earn more than senior military officers (Major/O-4 and above). Local government pay is being driven by unions not the risk associated with the jobs or the need to pay exorbitant wages in order to attract qualified candidates."
Posted by Blossom, a resident of the Stoneridge Orchards neighborhood, on Jul 8, 2011 at 6:13 am
Agreed! We need to pay our fine soldiers a salary based upon what the best paid corporate CEO makes. If the CEO makes 70 million per year, that's what each and every US soldier should earn. Fair is fair, don't ya think? I love the thoughtful heavy mental lifting going on here!
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jul 8, 2011 at 6:45 am
I'm a little bit too busy meeting with my accountants and lawyers to write an entire book on the ideal society. But, we all know that Utopia means, literally, nowhere, yes? Now "utopia," in addition to misrepresenting my social darwinist position -- I count my money, you gnaw on your minimum wage -- has asked me to present my views on this post. To do so, I'd have to assume that the reader is capable of grasping my ideas and perhaps using them as the basis for reformulating the reader's position -- that is, show a willingness to learn. I can assume neither, but only that the reader will twist and distort in order to drum up some soft-headed, idiotic response.
If reader truly wants to learn about utopian positions, the reader might start with Plato's Republic. More's 'Utopia' is also a must. Beginning in approximately the 17th century, political thinkers realized that utopian thought is mere idealistic question begging and instead developed concepts such as 'state of nature,' 'social contract,' 'master-slave dialectic,' 'original position,' 'veil of ignorance' which have proved to be more analytically robust than mere utopian thinking. See, having the advantage of my Daddy's money, I was able to go to Stanford and Yale on my Daddy's tab. Too bad you don't have the education that I do. Still, instead of complaining about others maybe some would be better served getting acquainted with their library.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jul 8, 2011 at 7:05 am
So, Plato's a little bit out of your league, eh? Well, keep on bashing everything that moves -- especially working-class Americans. I'm off to New Zealand shortly to devote my tax cuts to spreading the wealth among the Aborigines.