Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Apr 9, 2011 at 10:22 am
Marie and Beth: Why bother searching for facts when you've already made up your mind?
Fact is, administrative positions have already been cut by 40%. Those positions, especially the ones at district office, were the first jobs to go before PUSD started laying off certificated and classified personnel.
There's nowhere else to cut. And teachers already took a $4000 pay cut and an increased workload. Every employee in PUSD is doing more work for less pay (I know one district office administrator whose job now encompasses work previously divided among FOUR people).
But again, those are facts, and you won't let those trouble your pretty little head nor sway you from your anti-public schools crusade, will it?
Fortunately, it seems most voters in Pleasanton have paid attention to the facts, the most important fact being that the financial crisis existing in PUSD is 100% NOT the fault of teachers or administrators, and have made up their own minds.
They've stopped listening to you and your crowd. Good for them :)
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 9, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Not only are these salaries justifiable, remember the teachers who are rising to the higher levels of salary are doing so only after 20+ years at this profession! On top of that, Beth, be clear about the whole picture- those who do reach that level are permanently frozen on the salary schedule with no chance to increase their salary. Oh and do minus $4000 for the voluntary pay cut they took for our community.
My salary went to over six figures in 3 years in the private sector, and what I do is much easier than teaching.
My family supports paying teachers what they deserve for their more than full time work they actually put into this district. We will be voting yes on E and working/donating to the CORE campaign.
Posted by Megan, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 9, 2011 at 3:49 pm
I'm starting to wish I had never moved to Pleasanton. I am so horrified by what is being said about teachers and their "high" salaries on here. I am sorry that some of you are so miserable and out of touch that you believe 89,000 in this day and age in the Bay Area with a college degree and years of experience is a lot of money. It is not, not even close. Just know that all of that hate and negative energy is festering in your body and shortening your lifespan. Please, take a deep breathe, get off your computer and go take a walk. And yes, I'm definitely voting yes on E.
Posted by Jill, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 9, 2011 at 8:16 pm
I have no issues with the salaries of the teachers. I have an issue with them giving out raises when they do not have the money, and so they are asking the taxpayers to give more for raises through Measure E.
Our teachers do pretty well on the salary scale plus they can also teacher summer school but I don't mind that (except for the teacher who have tenure and are not producing but we cannot get rid of).
I have more of an issue with management having as much time off as they do (around 8 weeks) with their high salaries. I think we could eliminate some of the district positions and have other management work during the summer to do many of those jobs.
Posted by Whistler, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 9, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Why do I get the distinct impression that Jill doesn't know anything about what it takes either to be a teacher or an educational administrator? I mean, really.
"I think we could eliminate some of the district positions and have other management work during the summer to do many of those jobs."
Yeah, well I think NASA ought to pay astronauts less; or maybe rotate jobs more so that the astonauts have to work at a desk job and the NASA administrators should be made to fly to the moon once in a while. Does she not realize how idiotic she sounds? What a cause to have, eh?
Posted by Start Afresh, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm
YAT - let's make sure you state the facts correctly. Teachers took 8 unpaid furlough days over two years, that resulted in a take home pay reduction of between $2,000 and $4,000 spread over two years. That agreement expires this June. Teachers are back to their original salary schedule plus raises on July 1 of this year.
If we use your 'pay cut' words, then on July 1, teachers will be getting a $4000 'pay raise'.
Posted by Start Afresh, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Beth - there's no wording in Measure E that says that parcel tax funds can pay for technology specialists. But as we are seeing, the vague language of Measure E will let them manipulate the tax revenue for almost anything.
Posted by m1, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 8:33 am
Spend one full day in a classroom and then tell me how you can possibly call that a "part-time" job. There is nothing part-time about teaching. What is the big deal about less than $98/year toward education? We are voting for E and will do whatever it takes to keep our schools some of the best in the state. I always see the worst of our City when I check this blog. Makes me sad.
Posted by Desmond, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 9:07 am
Oh how the teacher bashing continues. So I thought this would be more to their level of intelligence
Teachers are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - BABYSIT! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 with 45 min. off for lunch and plan - that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).
What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.
Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is!
The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!
Posted by Get serious, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 11:24 am
The problem can't be fixed until PUSD and a few dedicated teachers decide to fix....the UNION problem ! Pay for doing time....not for DOING the job, with merit raises, instead of automatic raises AND keeping the most costly elderly, and firing the newer cheaper teacher.
To the assorted variety of Supers and Administrators....US report out last week said "US Productivity UP".....because EVERYBODY in out in the REAL do or die world, EVERYBODY, IF they're still employed, has learned and is doing, the work of several people/positions....for the same, or even LESS pay ! ! To Supers, Admin, teachers...get a grip, work it out yourselves with YOUR UNIONS. The top heavy union thieves are what YOU ALLOW them to be...work it out, join the 21st century OR, you always have to option of moving on up/out to GREENER PASTURES.
What???you say there's NOT a long list of greener pastures?? Really ?
Fix the issues here and PUSD stop the dirty tricks behind the scenes.
$98. are going to fix mistakes you have made. We're not idiots who believe money DESIGNATED for one, used for another, then back asking for whatever is most likely to pull the heartstrings, but used for another, repeat....like kids blowing lunch money for a sundae with lots of EXTRA TOPPINGS ! while his body is missing the basic vitamins needed for proper growth !
Posted by Involved Parent, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 11, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I would like someone to explain to me what "super's" and "administrators" they want cut. No VP's in the elementary schools, 1 in the Middle schools, that leaves the high schools. Counselors are going, District offices have already had their layoffs over the last 3 years. Last year we lost the director of transportation services (organizes bussing issues for special education). THERE ARE NO ADMINISTRATORS or upper level management to cut!!! Unless you want to take VP's out of the middle schools and high schools. Have you who are griping thinking that there's "fat" to still be cut actually considered all the "behind the scenes" work that goes into allowing teachers to teach our children.
And as for the "raises" etc. of the teachers....it is PUSD's fault that the Unions won't change their step-and-column. I've volunteered in the classrooms, I've been on campus and seen the defered maintenance that is being left.
If the citizens of Pleasanton do not step up and help to fund the schools, we will find that our schools will not be the one's we moved here for. Stop buying your Starbuck's coffee or wine for a month and support Measure E. You want to change step and column and public union pensions work at a state or national level...not the local!!!!
Posted by Start Afresh, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 3:54 pm
John - YAT would have you believe that the $4000 applied to every teacher and that it was a permanent pay cut. The facts are teachers took 8 unpaid furlough days over two years, that resulted in a take home pay reduction of between $2,000 and $4,000 spread over two years. That agreement expires this June. Teachers are back to their original salary schedule plus raises on July 1 of this year. Where do I say this is not real? It's not permanent as it was a one year agreement between PUSD and the union. As of July 1 of this year, the teachers are back to their original salary schedule. If YAT wants to call the furlough days a pay cut, then YAT needs to call the return to the original salary schedule a pay raise. If you call the reduction a 'pay cut' then when it returns, you have to call it a 'pay raise'.
And if you want to call it a 'union voluntary donation', then all the teachers who were laid off as a result of the MOU should be considered 'voluntary resignations', which would have them all laughing at your linguistic reality twist.
The APT union's blatant exercise in protecting the higher seniority teacher inflated salaries and benefits at the expense of the low-seniority teachers is laid bare for all to see.
CSEA is protecting the paid Birthday Holiday and allowing staff to be laid off.
And PSEE/PUSD is NOT conducting a CORE fundraising campaign and allowing the library assistants and technology specialists to be laid off as well.
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Start Afresh-"If you call the reduction a 'pay cut' then when it returns, you have to call it a 'pay raise'."
This is where you lose all credibility with twisting words to make the point you want. Do you hear yourself? What is your point anyway, to discredit what the union actually DID for our community by giving back $4.5 million in one year? Whether it was $2000 or $4000, it results in a much more impressive figure that the $98 asked of you- actually I think you look ridiculous even making this comparison.
The union actually did what the was demanded from them last year, and this is the response they get? I can not imagine why they would ever vote for that again. Keep posting though, your lack of real facts and common sense are making great points for why we should trust PUSD and support them not only with the parcel tax but also the CORE campaign once it begins.
I'm for making Pleasanton a successful town, not working to destroy what makes it great.
Posted by Arnold, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 6:29 pm
"This is where you lose all credibility with twisting words to make the point you want. Do you hear yourself? What is your point anyway, to discredit what the union actually DID for our community by giving back $4.5 million in one year? Whether it was $2000 or $4000, it results in a much more impressive figure that the $98 asked of you- actually I think you look ridiculous even making this comparison."
If the money was conceded for one year, whether it was 2000 or 4000, it doesn't help to solve a structural deficit. It is nice but it doesn't solve the long term problem. What are you going to say when the parcel tax expires and the structural deficit is even worse?
Posted by curious, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 6:42 pm
John, I just looked up the CORE campaign online and I see no mention of a 2011/12 fundraiser. This fundraiser was the one that saved library and technology specialist jobs last year and it needs to be well underway before the end of the school year to do much good.
So what are you disputing? Do you think the library and tech jobs are already saved (or are not being cut) in the 2011/12 budget?
Or do you think that they are being saved as part of the parcel tax campaign? (How do you know they are being prioritised?)
Or do you think that it will start in May if a parcel tax fails (in which case there will be a lot on the list to save and very little time).
Or do you think it will run in May if the parcel tax wins (in which case counting on people to pay twice when the takeup wasn't that good last year and again there is very little time).
Posted by Jack , a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 10:25 pm
"f the money was conceded for one year, whether it was 2000 or 4000, it doesn't help to solve a structural deficit. It is nice but it doesn't solve the long term problem. What are you going to say when the parcel tax expires and the structural deficit is even worse?"
As the economy eventually recovers, we may be looking at surpluses, just as we were six years ago.
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2011 at 10:30 pm
The CORE campaign is crucial this year regardless of whether the parcel tax passes or not. The entire budget can be completely thrown off based on the June revise of the state budget- if the state decides to make further cuts to education, PUSD will be forced to make further cuts. It will be up to our community it they want to support the schools as our tax money is no longer funding at the basic levels any longer.
The CORE campaign is being organized to begin in May latest- more information will most likely be shared at the board meeting tomorrow.
Posted by question, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2011 at 12:56 am
"As the economy eventually recovers, we may be looking at surpluses, just as we were six years ago."
Was that situation 6 years ago down to being productive and smart as a country or the government blowing housing bubbles with artifically low interest rates after the tech bubble blew up? And what do you think the last two years are? And please look up QE1&2 before you answer.
Posted by Desmond's post is silly, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2011 at 9:56 am
Desmond's post doesn't make sense. Babysitter's don't double their price for two children or triple it for three. If you were paying for individual tutoring of course the price would be higher.
And I'm not sure why teachers are being compared with babysitters, there's no comparison as teachers have different qualifications. Comparing teacher's salaries with other teachers in good districts or states or even countries, now that would make sense.
Posted by Jack, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2011 at 10:38 am
"Was that situation 6 years ago down to being productive and smart as a country or the government blowing housing bubbles with artifically low interest rates after the tech bubble blew up? And what do you think the last two years are? "
It is the business cycle. There are excesses on the way up and on the way down. It has been going on for centuries.
Posted by Start Afresh, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2011 at 10:58 am
John - It is your credibility that is waning. The teachers union did NOT give back "$4.5M in one year". For starters, almost one third of that amount was due to layoffs by eliminating student class periods and raising student:staff ratios. To claim this is 'giving back to the community' is plain malarkey. This is protecting teacher salaries by laying off one's peers. Secondly, these furlough days were spread over two years which one can plainly read here Web Link
The key point you and others ignore, is the MOU expires 6/30/11. It was a temporary band-aid solution to the "structural budget deficit" mentioned in the first paragraph of the MOU.
When there is a long-term (say, at least four years to match the term of the parcel tax, as a suggestion) reduction in structural costs, then we'll know that PUSD and the unions are interested in doing what is right for the kids.
Posted by question, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Did anyone else watch the board meeting tonight?
I am disturbed by it, in particular:
The lady who wanted to talk after the budget discussion who was not allowed to speak. Those who saw it will know what I mean and if you are the person concerned, I'd like to know why you couldn't sleep after reading the ballot arguments.
The way the cash out refinancing issue was dealt with - if you didn't watch until the end, you'll find the promise of an agenda item next week has changed and possibly independent advice being sought (at what cost?).
The way the discussion of S&C costs was addressed. I found it hard to swallow the explanation that because S&C is so darn complicated we had to take an example of utilities costs instead. And the presumption that the people watching are idiots who can't add. At least Trustee Arkin challenged it a teeny bit.
I'm a yes voter (though it's sitting in front of me as I write) who wants to support the kids, pull together as a community and do all the good things that you're meant to do for a happy ending.
I also pay attention and I'm finding this whole thing very hard. In fact an unexpected and very hard ethical challenge overall.
Posted by Dale, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2011 at 8:57 am
This is ridiculous……. Fact of the matter is that the district has done many cuts in programs, staff (both at the school level and the district level), tried to get the community behind them and struggled with many very hard decisions. Many of them have had to see long time friends lose their jobs and be the ones to tell them. This has been difficult for everyone and if you think it has not you’re a fool!
Adim jobs can not be cut any more and teaching jobs need to be increased not cut…….
A partial answer is to vote yes on E and stop complaining!
Posted by b, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2011 at 9:06 am
Based on those salaries you posted, it sounds like these teachers are overdue for a big raise. A Silicon Valley engineer with a bachelors degree and five years of experience makes more than a teacher with 25 years experience, a Masters degree, and dozens of hours of continuing education! Unbelievable how undervalued and underappreciated these teachers are.
If you think this is a part-time job, you are out of touch. And if you think it is reasonable to compare any Bay Area salary to "national averages," you are clearly living on another planet.
Posted by Getta Clue, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2011 at 10:01 am
For those of you that think teaching is a part-time job, you are very much mistaken. I am married to a teacher whose work day starts at 6:30 AM and ends at 9:30 PM, and it is 6 to 7 days a week with weekends being spent doing lesson preparations, grading homework, and grading exams for the 170 students she teaches every day. She rarely gets to actually eat lunch during her half-hour lunch break because that is when administrators choose to communicate with her. It’s even a challenge for her to go to the restroom during that break.
Then there are the helicopter parents that just bombard teachers with hundreds of e-mails a week, many with questions they should be asking their children, or wondering why the test grades haven't been posted 4 hours after the test was given.
And as for the perceived three months off each year, it’s actually a two-month break but at least one month is spent wrapping up the year and making preparations for the coming year. That leaves one month, often devoted to taking classes to keep one's certification.
You might want to consider also that these teachers, all with bachelor’s degrees and many with master's degrees on average make less that than most BART workers doing menial jobs (even the BART train drivers' main responsibility is to hit the big red button in case the computers controlling the train malfunction).
Posted by Same Boat, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2011 at 10:59 am
I feel exactly like you do. I am a yes voter who is having to ignore all the personal agendas of the school board members, blatant conficts of interest of one of the members, misleading ballot language, waste of nearly $100K of "I Love Pleasanton Schools" money
by John Casey, huge pensions of administrators, raises to tenured teachers at the cost of laying off new teachers, etc! Why am I still voting yes? Because voting no won't fix any of the stuff I'm angry about and because I love our Pleasanton teachers!! Let's pass the parcel tax this one time. Let's give PUSD this one chance to get their act together and start thinking about the kids first--and not kissing the butt of the teachers' union! Parvin Ahmadi is not John Casey, thank God!
Posted by Brian, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Yet Another Teacher
Thank you for letting us all know that teachers have already made huge concessions. Your $4000 pay cut is way more than the $98 that the No on E people are complaining about. I'm sure the NO on E people would have never agreed to that if they were teachers. Greedy bastards aren't they.
I support you, I support the schools, I support the community and I support the idea of local funding for local schools because good schools not only insure our children receive the best education but good schools are the single biggest factor why Pleasanton property values have not dropped as much as other communities. So I'm voting YES ON E.
To the NO on E people: Sell your house now and get out of Pleasanton while the getting is good because when test scores start dropping, so will your home value.
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2011 at 12:48 am
curious- I don't believe I was rude to your response.
Start Afresh posted"And PSEE/PUSD is NOT conducting a CORE fundraising campaign and allowing the library assistants and technology specialists to be laid off as well."
This is information that is a lie to mislead this community. I am not one of the organizers for CORE, yet with a couple of phone calls I was able to find out information that it IS being organized for this year.
Reread this person's logic and attempts to smear the reputation of our community's educators and you will see rude. This seems to be how the No on E group works.
Posted by Start Afresh, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2011 at 8:34 am
John - and your claim that CORE was to be announced/discussed at the recent school board meeting was a 'lie to mislead this community'? I stand by the accuracy of my claim that PSEE/PUSD is NOT conducting a CORE fundraising campaign and allowing the library assistants and technology specialists to be laid off as well'. After all, PUSD this week passed resolution 2010-11.24 to give layoff notices to these classified employees on or before May 15.
If PSEE/PUSD had run the CORE campaign earlier this year as suggested by many who want PUSD to exhibit fiscal excellence, these employees would not have to be laid off.
PUSD's parcel tax campaign strategy is to inflict as much layoff pain, fear, uncertainty, doubt and panic, while delaying the CORE campaign and the negotiations with the unions, in order to maximize the amount of the perceived deficit - mobilize the union members to support/campaign - and get people to vote YES. This is the strategy.
Posted by Start Afresh, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2011 at 8:37 am
And the strategy is manipulative, deliberate with the sole purpose of getting a parcel tax started, no matter the dollar amount or insignificance relative to the size of the budget or structural deficit.
Posted by Tracy, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2011 at 8:40 am
I am shocked by this thread. I can't believe that there are so many people so opposed to our current school system. We have one of the best school systems in the entire state. People move here just for the schools. Our property values have maintained because of our schools. Teachers jobs aren't part time when you evaluate the amount of hours spent during the school year.....grading papers, lesson plans, teaching, conferences, etc. We live in one of the most wealthy cities in the state. The average income for a household is well over 100K and people are suggesting that a teachers salary of 70 to 98K a year is extreme. Are you joking? The better educated our kids, the better we can excel as a nation. The people who are opposed to Measure E are short sighted and don't want to live in reality. The $98 a year is a dinner out for most of our residents. It is a small investment into the future our of kids. If you don't care about that, then maybe you can look at it as a small investment in maintaining your home value. Oh, did I tell you that I'm a real estate agent!
Posted by Jim, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2011 at 8:43 am
Afresh, how can you so the "sole purpose"? The money from Measure E may hire the reading specialist that makes all the difference for some child's reading skills. I have no problem trusting our wonderful schools.
Posted by Parent of a student, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Tracy, since you live in Val Vista, why don't you go by Donlon School and see how many teachers are there at 4:00. When the students go to science lab or P.E. the teachers have time to organize & grade papers. Plenty of great parents there volunteering in the classeroom. I am one of them. Most companies in the U.S. pay their employees by their performance. If the company is not exceeding their goals, there is a hiring freeze and raise freeze. School districts should adhere to this policy. I would say all the teachers at Donlon are great, but I know of 2 that should go. When they get rid of tenure, I will vote YES.