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If The Government Shuts Down Tomorrow—Who’s to Blame?

Original post made by Cindy Cross, Parkside, on Apr 7, 2011

If The Government Shuts Down Tomorrow—Who's to Blame?
Republicans and Democrats have been in the media lately blaming each other for the possible shut down of the federal government in the event that the 2011 budget is not passed by tomorrow-- April 8th. We were in the same boat in the 1990's when the government briefly ran out of money with Clinton as President and Newt Gingrich in the role of House Speaker. Many speculate that Clinton won re-election as a result.
On the one side you have the Republicans, led by House speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), demanding drastically more cuts to the $33 billion in spending cuts already tentatively agreed upon and changes to social issues such as abortion. On the other side are the Democrats, led by Senator Harry Reid (D-Nev), who argue that they have already agreed to $10 billion in cuts in March, and called further cuts unacceptable.
An important side note is that Boehner and the Republicans currently have the necessary votes needed to pass the budget, but Boehner wants the votes to come from a majority of Republicans. When a reporter recently asked Boehner if he was interested in forming a coalition with the Democrats to pass legislation to keep the government operating, Boehner said, "Not very interested."
Could this be influence from the tea party? Many hardline tea party members are digging in their heels and refusing to budge unless more significant cuts are made. House member Paul Brown (R-Ga.) said that any bill with less than $61 billion in cuts would be an insult, and he vowed to vote against it. With the 2012 election on the horizon, do the Republicans fear a back lash from tea partyers who may call them out if they don't publicly proclaim a hard-line stance with the budget?
The Democrats, meanwhile, are demanding that the Republicans abandon their loyalty to the tea party and stick to their loyalty to the American people as a whole. "The Republican leadership in the House has to make a decision whether they're going to do the right thing for the country or do the right thing for the tea party," Reid said recently on CBS Face the Nation.
Republicans are demanding more cuts to education, research, clean energy and 'Obama care'—money for Obama's health care overhaul.
Let's face it, the Republicans loath President Obama. Wouldn't it be fair to say that if the Republicans found out the Thanksgiving were Obama's favorite holiday they would try to outlaw turkeys? With so many 'personal' feelings toward the President, it would seem nearly impossible to come to a compromise and settle the budget for the American people. After all, isn't that the job of our Congress? Carefully engaging in a healthy debate that would benefit the American people? Senator McCain (R-Ariz.) so proudly stated on numerous occasions during his 2008 Presidential bid about, '..crossing the aisle'—Congress needs to put their personal feelings aside and talk to one another.
Regardless of your point of view, aren't you concerned about how our government has become? It's like a test of wills between the Democrats and Republicans as if they were children in a grocery store; laying prostrate on the floor screaming for their favorite sweets until their horrified mother relents.

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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Apr 7, 2011 at 11:19 am

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Democrat demagogues in action!

Web Link

$65 million from the approximately $2.4 billion budget of the Department of HHS, means no meals for '6 million seniors' according to San Francisco's own Nancy Pelosi, until we find out that only about 2.6 million seniors receive such meals.
Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said "she means meals for seniors — 6 million meals."
Hammill tried to defend the number of 6 million, though he acknowledged that "that pot of money I mentioned is not exclusively dedicated to this program."
In addition the House Appropriations Committee did not specify where this cut would come from and also does not know how the Administration on Aging (AOA) will spread that cut within their operations.
Marta Dehmlow, a spokeswoman for the House Appropriations Committee, says the $65 million figure came from estimates on savings the administration provided regarding a provision of the new health care law that would be administered by the agency. "The Committee has received no official word on impact."


So we actually have no cut to any meal for anyone, until Nancy Pelosi gets in front of a camera, then the Republicans want to starve 6 million poor seniors.

This is what we are dealing with people, the government needs a budget to cover the next 6 months, and this is the garbage we get from the Democrats.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Apr 7, 2011 at 12:24 pm

Why don't we have a budget for the current fiscal year which started on October 1, 2010? Very simple. The Democrats chose not to propose and pass a budget because they were afraid it would be used against them in the fall election. They could have done it last summer, last fall and this winter when they had total control of the house, senate and White House. But they didn't. That is why there is no budget for the current year.


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Posted by jacob and alma
a resident of Carlton Oaks
on Apr 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm

Hey Mr. Miller. Why are we spending so much money on those stupid wars that Bush started. I guess that has no bearing on our budget. Face it, the last administration put us into this mess and your old Tea Party mentality has all you Octagarians up in arms....


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Posted by 2010 Hangover
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm

This WEEKS's battle is about LAST year's budget. Speaker Pelosi and DEMS were in majority and IN CONTROL thru DEC 2010. Repubs were not sworn in until Jan 2011. After this battle for last year is settled, the new 2011 budget is coming right up.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm

How much can we save for each day the government is shut down? If they can't balance the budget maybe the government SHOUD shutdown until those savings are enough to balance things out. Instead of furlough days maybe we should consider furlough months. We're not getting much bang for the buck anyway.


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2011 at 8:23 am

Astonishing
Web Link
if true, this political theater is akin to shutting down a restaurant because the head chef and the general manager disagree on how much to pay for 1 gallon of milk


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Posted by Cindy Cross
a resident of Parkside
on Apr 8, 2011 at 8:29 am

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Here we are on Friday and the deadline is fast approaching (midnight tonight) and there is still no agreement. The sticking point now is the funding for abortion that the Republicans want removed from the budget. The Democrats refuse to budge on this issue. Which side will give in??

anon--I see your point about furlough days for a month, but I guess that would mean that we all have to homeschool our kids!

jacob and alma--Funny how no one mentions anything about getting out of the middle east earlier than August as Obama has promised. That sure would save a bundle of money!

jimf01--I see your point about the amount of "waste" with the meals for seniors. I'm sure we could find a lot of other programs that involve waste that doesn't benefit americans directly.


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Posted by Linda
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2011 at 11:04 am

Why is the passing of the budget an eleventh hour decision? The fiscal year started in October of 2010. The Democrats were holding all the cards last October. There must have been some perceived political gain or the budget would have been passed when the Dem's were in power!


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Posted by Phil
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 am

The blame game!! Everybody blames some one else to take the focus off of thier own skewed agendas. The right wants cheap labor and tax breaks(money) and the left wants cheap votes through entitlements (power). The bottom line is money and power. Always has been and always will be.


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Posted by Rodant Kapoor
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Apr 8, 2011 at 11:24 am

What I like best about this thread is that it's concerned with blame and divisiveness, which is something sadly lacking in our national conversation these days. Thanks for helping keep America strong, original poster--more like this, please!


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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2011 at 12:26 pm

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I subscribed to this thread after adding the first comment. I have to come back and comment, because our friend Rodant's attempt at sarcasm is unwittingly (perhaps, maybe he is just a real clever person) pointing out that we do not penalize our politicians for the blame and divisiveness, we encourage it.

We do not hold them to any standard in this area, they thrive on the grandstanding and games, and voters reward them for it. How else does Harry Reid get re-elected in 2010 after preventing a national budget from being passed? The Democrats in the White House and in charge of the house and senate flat out refused to bring a budget to a vote as a political ploy.

Read this: Web Link
27% of communication by members of Congress is taunting, professor concludes


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Posted by Rodant Kapoor
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Apr 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm

Jim has a point. "We don't play the blame game," say those on the right, "it's all the Democrats' fault!"

;-)


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Posted by c. Miller
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2011 at 1:31 pm

It becomes personal when your son is serving his country in the military. Democrat or Republican, it doesnt matter, these "ego driven" politicans should be putting an end to these senseless wars. It would safe money and lifes. Both parties should step across the aisles and make this country whole again.


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Posted by Ethyl's Mom
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2011 at 2:12 pm

Perhaps if Congress had to follow the rules they make and get paid by work accomplished, like the rest of us, they would actually get something important done.. but will it ever happen.


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Posted by So dumb
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm

So dumb. They are fighting over women's health, or money that goes towards Planned Parenthood. Legally, not 1 cent of the governments money can go towards abortions. So the money that they are fighting over is money that would be used for womens' health, for example screening for cervical cancer.

Furthermore, the Republicans did not want to cut spending for military, but were happy to cut social programs. I get why we need to cut social programs right now. But I don't understand why military would not be cut as well. If you are going to cut the budget, why would the military be exempt?

The Tea Party has a hold on the Republicans and it will be that party's downfall.


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Posted by disgusted
a resident of Beratlis Place
on Apr 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm

So dumb. It isn't only the tea party. It's the entire republican party. It is corrupt from top to bottom. Unable to come up with any real jobs plan, the republicans now resort to shutting down govt over an organization that helps women avoid cancer. It's sick. The entire republican apparatus is sick. Sick, sick, sick.


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

dis - Step away from MSNBC on your TV and understand that the Democrats had the opportunity through half of 2010, up until the Republicans took over the house in January, to pass a 2010 budget with funding for basically anything they wanted to try and include there.


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Posted by John
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 8:06 am

Love how its ok to blame the past house and senate and avoid WHO is the majority in the house now- seems to me that was something that was not "allowed" by so many here when Obama was elected and the Bush administration was blamed! Seems like you all have forgotten about the filabustering that took place, letting nothing get accomplished since the presidential election.

There are many in Washington who are only there to "win" for themselves and to help our President fail. This at the cost of the country. I've listened to countless posters here express that same sentiment- this is what I find sick.


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Posted by Linda
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 8:49 am

I don't think anyone wants the President of the United States to fail. If he fails, we all fail. What we want is for the President to Lead!


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Posted by John Henry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 9:28 am

Quite to the contrary, Linda. Several Republicans, including Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell (the guy who looks like a tortoise), have stated publicly that their number one goal is to make sure the President does not get re-elected.

I do agree with you, though. Like you say, if the President fails we all fail. But Republicans don't care. They crave power no matter what havoc it brings to our nation.


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 9:51 am

Well, the House of U.S. Government is not shuttered. Today, we still have Federal Parks open, our Service Men and Women will be paid on time and the millions of Public Servants will go back to work on Monday with hefty salaries, benefits and the required "what can I do today to make your life more complex" attitude.
If people can get so riled up about red-lining $60 billion from a multi-trillion dollar budget, just think of the fun we're all going to have when we begin to face the reality of where we truly are as a Nation headed to the "poor house". Can you say "Paul Ryan?" It's coming and all our oxen will be gored a bit. Country first. Special interest last. I sincerely hope we're ready to face reality.


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Posted by C. M. Hurt
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 10:17 am

I'm with you, C. Treadway. Like you I'm so salivating at the prospect of further cuts that there's spittle drooling down my chin. We're real Americans, you and me. Let's next go after the park rangers who so want to make our lives more complex. Then we can sell off the remains of U.S. parks that haven't yet been sold to the timber companies and let her rip! Or better yet, let's cut Eliz Warren and those Wall Street regulators where it hurts. We'd be in such good shape as a nation if those pesky regulators would have given Wall Street more room to increase our quality of life. Oh, and entitlements. What's with these freeloaders who are collecting unemployment? And poverty-level kids! We need to teach them to find wealthier parents. And poor women who desire screening for breast cancer. I mean, come on, we all need to face reality. Yep, C. Treadway, you see I'm an idiot just like you.


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Posted by Yet Another Teacher
a resident of Hart Middle School
on Apr 9, 2011 at 10:25 am

The economy is improving, and the Republicans are desperate to sabotage the economic recovery so that they can oust Obama from the White House.

Republican see the White House as GOP property, and any Democrat who lives in it is an usurper to the throne.

The Republicans did the same thing when Clinton was President.

There's the loyal opposition, and then there's traitors. Traitors are people who try to throw millions of people out of work so they can grab political power--and that's the Republican leadership in Congress.


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 10:53 am

Dear C.M. Hurt, I see you were hurt by my ranting about a complex situation. However, I never once mentioned the things you describe as being offensive to me. And believe me, even though you called me an idiot, I choose not to call you that. That type language divides and therefore makes difficult the common good of all.
Perhaps I didn't put it well, but my question of what we are experiencing in today's political arena is just how wealthy are we as a Nation to do all things for all people. Certainly we need legislative regulations to control certain business ambitions and we without doubt need an umbrella for the less fortunate. But let me ask you C.M. Hurt, have we as a Government allowed the "Great Society" and "It takes a village" to the point where only half of America pays taxes to assist the other half? That's unfair and literally outrageous. We can do better. We should do better.
The day is coming when we can no longer afford the entitlements of special interest groups be they the elderly, the minority nor those who think we, as a Nation, owe them a living. We're long past that. And to compare that to a Park Ranger's duty is simply not understanding where we are at this point in time. C. Treadway


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 11:00 am

I agree with C.M. Hurt's depiction of C. Treadway who can only dig himself further into his personal hole of idiocy.


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Posted by gorio
a resident of Danbury Park
on Apr 9, 2011 at 11:05 am

The bottom line of the rep/dem. bantering is the governments way of keeping the illusion of choices. It's like Coke vs. Pepsi, whereas one makes the other more or less attractive when in the end its just cola. Besides, isn't our government's ultimate decision and outcome based on what the Israelis dictate anyway???


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Posted by Cindy Cross
a resident of Parkside
on Apr 9, 2011 at 11:43 am

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The shutdown of the government has been averted thanks to the last minute agreement that was reached between the Dems and Reps at nearly midnight last night. It appears that the Dems came out on top by avoiding Planned Parenthood defunding, keeping Obama Care intact, and not restricting the EPA. How will the negotiation go with the 2012 budget which will be due this September?

gorio--How do the Israelis fit into this debate??


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Posted by gorio
a resident of Danbury Park
on Apr 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm

The Israelis are not without influance you know!


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Posted by Rodant Kapoor
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Apr 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

"Influance?" Did you mean to say "influenza?"


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Posted by lyniesha
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 9, 2011 at 1:22 pm

Me Too

You are being way too hard on C. Treadwell and others who say those kinds of things. We saw people like him who were against civil rights progress in this country of ours. They've been left behind. And now they remain uneducated and resenting those who have passed them by. They talk about entitlements, but any educated person who participated in the civil rights movement knows exactly what they are referring to. I have had to accept governmental assistance several times in my life. Shortly after the birth of my oldest daughter, and then twice more unemployment after being laid off. Last week my oldest told me she was going to be a teacher. I'm very proud. Education is the best defense against C. Treadwell's ignorance.


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 2:21 pm

Dear Me Too, Thank you for your thoughts. By the way, it's C. Treadway, not C. Treadwell. First of all, you agree with C.R. Hurt in calling me an idiot and then you claim that I am against Civil Rights. How on earth did that enter into anything in my comments to this site? It certainly wasn't something I said. Maybe you just have a grand imagination.
I'm happy for you and your daughter who has made you proud in announcing she wishes to become a teacher. I can recall teachers today who taught me well decades ago and have been a source of inspiration all these years later when dealing with difficult situations.
I said nothing that could be considered racial in my comments, nor did I say bad things about education. Yet, those comments came from your written page in calling me an idiot. How in the world did you reach that conclusion based on a few comments from me? What I basically said was that "Our Nation first and Special Interest Groups last when it comes to budgeting the fewer and fewer dollars in the future National Treasury". Please give me some specifics. Thank you, C. Treadway


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 3:20 pm

I argue against an argument, not simple demonstrations of idiocy. Case in point: C. Treadway's posts. How limp.


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm

Dear Me Too, You say you "argue against an argument, not simple demonstrations of idiocy." Not sure I know what that means, but I'll certainly take you at your word. Maybe I should have paid more attention when sitting at the feet of my previous teachers of the past.In all seriousness Me Too, may I ask you a question and receive a proper response? If so, you mentioned earlier that you had received government assistance and unemployment compensation several times in the past. Many of us have gone through tough times and though I've never had the occasion to draw on government assistance, I'm well pleased to live in the greatest place on earth where that kind of assistance is provided to those who seriously need help.
But, please hear me out. When the money ran out, did you continue to write checks as you did when you were flush with money, or did you have to scale back a bit? That's really all I'm saying today. As a Nation, we have to be careful how we spend our money. Your daughter, the future teacher, and my grandson, the future writer, depend on us.
C. Treadway


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Posted by lyniesha
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 9, 2011 at 4:47 pm

I think C. Treadway is confused about who he's posting too. (I for one am not surprised.)

When I hear people complaining about entitlements, I pray for them. My own life experiences have taught me not to argue with bigotry. My wish is that my daughter does a better job of teaching her future students than CT's teachers and parents did with him. They'll be able to identify passive-aggressive racism when they confront it.


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 4:51 pm

There ya go C T, welcome to the club. Complain about progressive policies, and you are an idiot AND a racist. Congrats

Oh yeah, btw, don't expect a cogent explanation of why wanting a smaller federal government is racist and stupid, it just is. And you are unenlightened, so you wouldn't get it if they tried to explain it anyway


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Posted by lyniesha
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 9, 2011 at 5:17 pm

I'm also praying for radical who seems no less the bigot than C. Teadway.


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 5:19 pm

This is C. Treadway again responding to the allegations that I am a racist and, above all, an idiot. I will say to Lyniesha and Radical that I am neither. Thank you for your prayers Lyniesha about my bigotry, but please tell me in my own words where I posed such an awful position. I know you can't do it because it is not in my nature nor my upbringing as it relates to parents nor teachers. Then "Radical" points to my being an idiot and a racist despite the fact they don't see that in my words nor in my true meaning. One thing I've noticed about progressive people, when they can't bring forth a dialogue, they just call you names. Welcome to the real world folks. The day of "Papa" Sam has about come to an end. The good of our Country is, after all this time, about to be considered. C. Treadway


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Posted by lyniesha
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 9, 2011 at 5:59 pm

Now Mr. Treadway seems even more confused than ever about who he is writing to and what he is writing about. But I'll keep praying for Steve just the same.


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 6:34 pm

Dear Lyniesha, thank you. I too will pray for Steve. No, I have no agenda. I love black and white and all people. I was raised in northern California when Governor Faubus restricted black students from entering Central High in Little Rock. I thought then it was an action of deplorable means and I feel stronger about it today. I now live in Texas which is business friendly and has an ever increasing growth in population. California has, on the other hand, experienced quite the opposite. People are leaving because they can no longer afford the excessive taxes and fees. I feel bad about that but I feel the government intrusion in the lives of the largest populated state has no one to blame but itself.
All I did today was go to a website suggested by a friend, read the article and the comments. The comments made me want to respond because they had no basis, no concrete, to retain a grand state. I simply made a few comments about the upcoming budget and was immediately targeted as a racist and an idiot. I am neither. My conclusion was "Our Country First and Special Interests Last". This doesn't mean that Special Interests aren't important, it means only that to survive as a Nation, we must make choices. No, I know who I'm writing to and I just wish that as a people we can step back, take a breath, stop calling each other names and enlist in a movement which will carry us forward for another few hundred years. Our kids lives are too important for something less. C. Treadway


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Posted by C Treadway
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 6:36 pm

Hey Radical, I got it wrong. Thank you for upholding my feeble position. C. Treadway


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2011 at 6:47 pm

It is feeble. But, like I say, limp is a better description. (The guy can't even keep track of his own multiple identities on the same post!) He needs more than prayers.


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Posted by John D
a resident of another community
on Apr 9, 2011 at 11:36 pm

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Very well said! I too think that the republicans are not willing to work together with the democrats and that a shutdown is looming!


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Posted by Informed
a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Apr 10, 2011 at 12:55 am

Ha! John D., what do you know? The Republicans just took Obama to the cleaners, and you don't even know about it!

Next time around we'll get even more of what we want: forced pregnancy for all these evil, promiscuous women who know nothing about their own bodies.


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Posted by Duke
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Apr 10, 2011 at 9:47 am

lyniesha and Me Too: C. Treadway may have been a bit confused in responding to your comments, but based on his memory of the 60's makes him a pretty old guy. So cut him some slack. What I noticed was that he had some relevant thoughts and all you two did was call him names with no serious debate. Anyone can do that. Children do it all the time. Why don't you re-read his points, make an informed decision and respond with your reasoned thoughts. I'd like to hear what you have to say.


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Posted by Maria
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 10, 2011 at 5:01 pm

While I'm thankful that the government didn't go into shutdown, the issue has only been prolonged. The cuts are going to come from somewhere-- it's just a question of who gets hurt. That's where we see ideology start to come into play. Breakdown of the numbers in the spending bill: Web Link

It kills me that in the middle of a budgetary crisis, members of Congress are trying to shove their political agendas through (i.e. riders to defund Planned Parenthood, etc.) None of the high-risk programs have appeared on the chopping block (Web Link).


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Posted by corny
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Apr 11, 2011 at 9:00 am

lyniesha and me, too-you are really Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in drag. Hucksters of the worst kind. Enjoy your 'entitlements' and the fruits of being unproductive members of society. And such big members you are.......


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