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by Tim, Another Pleasanton neighborhood,
on Mar 31, 2011
Just draw a circle with a line through it.. 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Folks'll get the message!
NO ON E!
You can print one off from here
if you do not have a color printer, you can take the PDF file and save it and print it off at any copy shop.
These posters here are worse than losers. They're morally bankrupt disciples of the known cheat, Michelle Rhee.
First she refused to address the well-founded charges of moral corruption that have been circulating in the media over the past several days. Then she lashed out at those who have been holding her to account. And now today she's developed a new tactic - dissembling by suggesting the cheaters were only a few bad apples. But no, the cheating was widespread and systematic. If you look at the progression of events with any honesty - the extensive cheating under her chancellorship, her willful ignoring of all signs that pointed to the cheating, and the absolute lack of concern for the kids who were deleteriously effected - and it's clear that Rhee is THE REALLY BAD APPLE in the barrel of scandal. She created the incentive to cheat. She not only did not investigate reports of possible cheating; she rewarded the suspicious schools and held them up as models for all others; and monetary rewards in the tens of thousands were doled out with taxpayer money to the cheaters. This gets to the absolute core of what she built her reputation on She has profited beyond belief on her reputation as an educational reformer. In fact, she's a fraud and a cheat and she will be held to account.
This is the patron saint of the ignorant malcontents who post here regularly and who claim there's a better system than is already in place for Pleasanton's schools. Rhee set up a so-called merit system that was ripe for cheating from top to bottom. The teachers were afraid they were going to lose their jobs. This and the incentive to be rewarded with taxpayer dollars for lying and cheating about their students' test performances was, predictably, too much of a temptation for the insecure teachers. There were unmistakable signs of widespread cheating from the get-go, but Rhee continued to dole out tens of thousands of dollars of blood money to the obvious cheaters, with no regard whatsoever for the children they were hurting. Children whose proficiency was well below standard and in need of additional help, but whose parents were being told the kids' test scores were well above proficiency and that the kids didn't need and wouldn't get any help.
Have you heard any opponents of E own up to the sickening spectacle? Of course not. They don't care about truth but only, for some sick and twisted reason, bringing down Pleasanton's excellent school system. We need to keep these moral degenerates away from our children. Yes on E!
No on E yard signs are now available. Request one on the website in the above comment.
How to Fix America's Schools? Cheating.
Opponents to Measure E: How to muck up Pleasanton kids' education?
Steal Yes on Measure E signs and paint over them. Nice moral folks we're dealing with here. Let's keep them away from our kids.
It is really sick if any of you approve of what "Tim" suggests.
"or do I have to take someones Yes on E sign and write No over the Yes"
"Just draw a circle with a line through it.. 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Folks'll get the message!"
I'm forwarding this to the Pleasanton police department because it doesn't sound like a joke to me. Do you people have any respect for private property?
Did you see this article hmmmm?
The irony is crazy- just imagine the backlash she would give teachers who "give excuses" yet not single word from her. Interesting timing that she left DC schools this year, I heard she was somewhere in CA?
Amazing that so many fell for her scam, including Bill Gates, yet no one listened to teachers who were calling her bluff for a long time now.
Yes, I agree Tim and unclehummer are part of a particularly nasty crowd. When you confront them with a moral issue -- like taking someone's sign and/or then writing over it -- they become conspicuously silent. The same goes whenever they are challenged for some of the disgusting allegations they raise but refuse to back up. There is no morality at the base of their position. Only political mudslinging based not on moral conviction but anger and the need to undermine the things that make our community great. I wish they'd keep a distance from our kids.
Maybe the uncle radical tim can give us his thoughts on the Michelle Rhee fiasco? I'd really like to hear from him on this, in his own words, and how his thoughts now bear on previous posts of his where he has attempted to argue that Pleasanton's teachers should have S and C taken from them and be made to cheat - er, I mean compete - in a merit system like Rhee has advocated.
You may be wasting your time, hmmmmm. You're 'communicating' only with one old angry guy who can't write but only barely reads web links and then (usually mistakenly) follows their lead, and the computer lady who is either trying to censor those who criticize her or is off attempting to incite witch hunts. Neither one of them seems capable of advancing a moral argument.
I look forward to voting no on E - and this is coming from someone who voted for the last parcel tax and has dononated money when it didn't pass.
Why and I voting no? Because of the utter lack of understanding of the current economic situation by the union and the "Yes on E" communication that is deceptive.
Lastly, this obvious union slur job on Rhee is just pathetic. Classic move by the union - undermine anyone who is a threat via dirty politics.
Great job alienating independents like me who were once supportive. Remember it will take double the effort to counter balance votes like mine.
Voting No's slur job on the PUSD union is a weak attempt at slinging more lies. It was PUSD's union that voluntarily gave back $4.5 million, after this community voted to NOT support the schools. Actions definitely speak louder than simply typing the rhetoric you are trying for.
I hope you both try to come and take my yes on E sign.......
Well, "Voting no", as another independent and a new homeowner in Pleasanton I'll be more than happy to counter your vote with mine. I think that supporting a top-flight school program here in Pleasanton is critical for keeping Pleasanton the highly desirable community that it is. Once our school quality starts to decline - or is even perceived to be declining by new homebuyers - say goodbye to our extremely high house values. You may not care about that but I do.
If you don't care about our schools, why are you even here in Pleasanton? Go move over to Hayward and no one will bother you about a parcel tax. You'll love the schools there, too.
"undermine anyone who is a threat via dirty politics."
Rhee isn't a threat. Her results weren't real. Didn't you get the memo?
I only have to get half the number of people to vote like me as you do.
All this doom and gloom rhetoric of what will happen if E doesn't pass is humorous. The last parcel tax didn't pass and the education world in Pleasanton didn't end.
Best of luck getting this thing passed. You are going to need it. There is a lot of ill will out there right now against the union.
If/when E doesn't pass, life will go on in Pleasanton just like before.
I've been reading in newspapers and on the internet about the cheating scandal surrounding Michelle Rhee. To me, it kind of makes the whole Waiting for Superman thing a big lie. I don't understand how someone like Voting No can call what has come out about Rhee a union slur job. Is that just Voting No's way of denying reality? Some people seem unable to learn, no matter what.
My partner and I are both eager to VOTE YES on Measure E. For the kids, for the community.
Prove to me that voting for E will keep "a top-flight school program here in Pleasanton" and I'll vote yes. Othwrwise, it's just another vaguely worded attempt at further fleecing of the golden goose.
This obvious union vendetta against Rhee is humerous and pathetic. She must really be a threat to teacher's union to warrant so much attention. Heck, she even had Obama's backing at one point. I guess he got fooled too?
For anyone who has watched "Waiting for Superman" and understands who investigated and created that film, you recognize this pathetic union attempt of character assassination.
Not once have the actually cheating teachers been attacked by all these anti-Rhee posters. It should tell you something of their intentions.
Anyway, what does Rhee have to do with E?
"Prove to me that voting for E will keep "a top-flight school program here in Pleasanton" and I'll vote yes."
I can't. Just as you can't prove that voting against E won't cause a decline in school quality. You think that it won't but you can't prove it.
The tax is a modest amount ($98 per year) AND is closed-ended (4 year limit), so what are you so concerned about? If the tax were not closed-ended then I would be more cautious about approaching all this. But the fixed amount is a pittance compared to the possible decline in my property value and your property value if Pleasanton schools are even perceived to be declining by new homebuyers.
It seems increasingly clear that the single opponent of E on these posts - and trust me, he is very alone - has resorted to a new low. Approx 19 minutes ago this cognitively and morally challenged monkey used the moniker of 'Corny' to express yet another of his toxic rants.
If anyone has been following the discussion, they'll easily recognize the impaired wonder by his reference to the 'golden goose'. I think he wanted to say the 'goose that laid the golden egg'. Small matter. So, Save the Golden Geese!
This is a testy group. I really wasn't going to steal an Yes on E sign, I was JOKING!!!!!!. It is against the law to steal politial signs.
"Anyway, what does Rhee have to do with E"
Do a Google search on these forums for "Rhee Measure E" and you'll find many hits from the no on E side who suggested that PUSD apply Rhee's method's instead of the parcel tax. Look here for instance.
They forget that our schools are already excellent, and Rhee's method's were mainly applied to poor or average schools. But now we find out that many of the alleged improvements were actually fraudulent. That is what Rhee has to do with measure E. Rhee has very little to do with Pleasanton schools, and that is a good thing.
" I was JOKING!!!!!!"
A little late for that Tim. Let's see what the police say. Not funny in the least.
Keep fooling yourself Sam. I don't know the person you accuse of using multiple aliases with a single message, but I guarantee there are more of us out there than you want to admit.
Let's just see how the vote ends up.
As I've been saying all along, those waging the 'no' vendetta are morally deficient. Without a moral compass, they think nothing of stealing a neighbor's personal property. Hey Corny, you might have to resort to using a new name every time in order to fend off the identity theft.
About the thief. Had a bad time in school. Parents didn't help him at all. Didn't do well. Now works at an unskilled job just this side of stoop labor. His employer has had to develop all kinds of means to keep him away from the public and fellow employees. Identifies with the rich and can't bring himself to admit he'll never be like them. Morally stunted, as indicated by, among other things, a closed mind that is impervious to fact. For example, he'll deny there's any problem with Michelle Rhee, despite overwhelming evidence, because in his tiny little world he cannot deal with any dissonance. She's guilty because of the unions, which is really the best he can muster. Rhee's critics are killing the Golden Geese. Steal 'Yes' yard signs, if that's what it takes to save the Golden Geese! I wish I could help him.
Really people, look at Voting No's rebuttals to the things he says- especially the lack of response to when I posted (that PUSD's union gave back in one year double of what the entire community would give in one year of a parcel tax) This lone voice is desperate to make any effort to slander PUSD- and its all false!
Even the hilarious twist of propaganda he says about Waiting for Superman- which was funded by those interested in ending public school in America- wow, you really haven't done your homework on that spin! Read up...Web Link
My all time favorite though was when he said "If/when E doesn't pass, life will go on in Pleasanton just like before" To openly show you have no idea how our schools are affected by the already over $20 million in cuts and possibly more, is classic! This type of thinking is what we need to protect our children from! Voting Yes on E will begin the message to the Rhee mentality folks that we are not falling for your lies anymore!
are you "no" on prop E the same people who stole my No on 8 signs? Also, what you "no" people don't realize is that a top rated school district improves the value of your home. Something to consider.
Keep fooling yourselves folks. Please do continue to dismiss and underestimate.
Good thing this is going to a vote ...
Sam-the state of California sales tax increases that Brown wants to extend were also 'close-ended'. So, were bridge tolls ,etc. Once they have their hand in your pocket for more, do you really think the bleeding of the taxpayers will cease or decrease?
For all of those who think YES is the way to go, just send in your own check to the School Boarsd for as much as you feel is necessary. If there are as many of you as you think and you all send checks, there will be sufficient funds, perhaps even enough to have a snow day!
Funny thing is that I did that last time - sent in the equivalent of the parcel tax that didn't pass.
It should give all "Yes on E" people food for thought on why people like me are so against a tax increase this time around, even for something as important as education.
@Voting No:"Keep fooling yourself Sam. I don't know the person you accuse of using multiple aliases with a single message, but I guarantee there are more of us out there than you want to admit."
Errr. I think that you're getting confused by all the back-and-forth going on here, "Voting No". I'm not the one who accused you of using multiple aliases.
My wife and I have expressed our support for Measure E. It makes good sense for the kids, and good sense for the community. There is a clear tie between quality of schools and home values. And a well-educated community is a healthy community.
I share the sentiments of many posters here about the moral shortcomings of those who seem so opposed to the measure. Does anyone doubt that they are the products of a poor education?
@corny: "Sam-the state of California sales tax increases that Brown wants to extend were also 'close-ended'. So, were bridge tolls ,etc. Once they have their hand in your pocket for more, do you really think the bleeding of the taxpayers will cease or decrease?"
As written Measure E states that the tax will be for 4 years. The figure of 4 years is not some empty promise by a politician that can be conveniently forgotten or taken back. The figure of 4 years is in writing and hard-wired into the Measure. There's no wiggle room or fudging about it. If they want more money or want to extend it, then they have to come back to you and me for another vote.
John, so those of us who are voting 'no' that were educated in Pleasanton are products of a poor education? I'm not sure where you intended to go with this, other than the common theme here of attempting to degrade or denigrate those whose opinion differs from your morally superior position. Very weak.
I see, Mr. corny. So I can expect then that you'll join me in denouncing those who expressed a willingness to steal yes signs and deface them? For denouncing their failings in this regard would be the moral thing to do, wouldn't it? Let's hear you join me and others who desire to live in a lawful, civil community. In your own words, Mr. corny. I think many of us would love to hear from you.
Somebody please explain the economic impact that a $98 parcel tax will truly have upon the school district? I mean c'mon, somebody please explain the math behind how the $233 that Measure G had previously asked for will somehow magically manage to cover roughly all of the same revenue assignments to the district that E will bring in? HELLO people do the math! Measure E is a LIE! It has been engineered by focus groups that the PUSD & teachers unions have hand-picked to come about an "acceptable" level of what the residents are willing to pay. The money generated by Measure E will barely cover a new coat of asphalt on the parking lot of AVHS, not to mention saving teaching positions, CSR & school funding. All this nasty rhetoric being bounced around between the opposing sides is meaningless seeing that the end result will only be the district coming to us...again with Measure F next year.
"Save our schools Round #3, this time we're only asking for $76.23 to be assessed on your property taxes, but this time it's REALLY...for the children"
If you give the addicts their dope they will assume we are simply enablers & come after us again, again & again. $98 will accomplish nothing & I dare anybody to do the math & prove me wrong!
Seriously, just how stupid & gullible to you take us for?
I'll not comment on J. Morgan's question, "just how stupid and gullible to (sic) you take us for?" I don't think he'd like the answer I provide.
But we're still awaiting an expression of moral condemnation of the professed lawn sign thieves from the poster(s) on this site. Tim? Mr. corny? Homer? Radical? Patriot? Voting no? J. Morgan?
Here's an opportunity for all one of you to show some real moral fiber. Tell us in your own words why you think the professed lawn thieves should be roundly denounced. Or do you think that kind of activity is something that should be condoned? Oh, it was a poor attempt at humor you say? Then tell us that the "humor" was offered in incredibly poor taste. Until we hear back from you, I think I can speak for many here and say that we wish that you and the slimeball contingent to which you belong would stay far away from our children.
NO on E! For the past 40 years, I have seen and heard of people on both sides of an issue either destroying or taking signs from the opposition. I have always thought of those who do this sort of thing to be cowards, thiefs and cheats. I would NEVER condone taking someone's sign or defacing it. When ever I brought this up to the attention of the Pro and Con people's attention, this is the response I received: "It's all part of politics and you are too nice." People with integrity don't steal and people with integrity don't try to monopolize a discussion with untruths such as those yes people writing on these blogs. The public can see right thru what you are trying to do. It won't work. NO ON E.
Oak Hill Sam said:
"The figure of 4 years is in writing and hard-wired into the Measure. There's no wiggle room or fudging about it. If they want more money or want to extend it, then they have to come back to you and me for another vote."
And they'll keep coming like the lion on a merry-go-round keeps appearing!
Say NO now! Stop the reliance of the schools on more and more money! Make them make do with what they have.
They aren't building schools.. they aren't providing transportation.. they don't need more money.
This is the school district anti-Measure E folks want for Pleasanton?
From USA Today Web Link :
Turnover was brisk. Richard Whitmire, author of The Bee Eater, a biography of Rhee, reported that Rhee hired 1,918 teachers during her three years in office about 45% of those on the payroll last October. Only 2,318 current teachers had been hired before Rhee took charge.
The pressure on principals was unrelenting, says Aona Jefferson, a former D.C. principal who is now president of the Council of School Officers, representing principals and other administrators. Every year, Jefferson says, Rhee met with each principal and asked what kind of test score gains he would post in the coming school year. Jefferson says principals told her that Rhee expected them to increase scores by 10 percentile points or more every year. "What do you do when your chancellor asks, 'How many points can you guarantee this year?' " Jefferson says. "How is a principal supposed to do that?"
Rhee churned through principals. The Washington Post reported that Rhee appointed 91 principals in her three years as chancellor, 39 of whom no longer held those jobs in August 2010. Some left on their own, either resigning or retiring; other principals, on one-year contracts, were let go for not producing quickly enough.
Union officials say the pressure for high test scores may have tempted educators to cheat.
"This is like an education Ponzi scam," says Nathan Saunders, head of the Washington Teachers' Union. "If your test scores improve, you make more money. If not, you get fired. That's incredibly dangerous."
"Waiting for Superman"? Rhee and her "reforms" are Kryptonite.
Of course stealing signs off of lawns is wrong independent of who does it. Freedom of speech and private property rights are fundamental to our society. I'm not sure what you are testing here.
What I find humorous is how quickly many of you degrade to accusations and personal attacks because someone has a different opinion than you. I couldn't care less about this mult-alias mastermind you are fixated on.
I'm looking forward to the election and voting no. As someone else said, it is time to live within our means. We are all making sacrifices.
Must be school time - YAT is posting again.
The more you denigrate Rhee, the more I will listen to her ideas. She is clearly on to something given the coordinated attack of the teachers union.
Maybe we should just leave the national eduction system alone. It is doing so well under the control of teacher unions. We are leading the world in eduction, right? And it is getting better all the time, right? Just give them more money and all will be OK. Just a little bit more money, please!!
People like to point to the strength of Pleasanton schools based on the 10 ranking. But what people don't speak about is the other poll that assesses school districts by their demographics. Last time I looked Pleasanton was a 2 or 3. So let's not get too excited about things here.
Certainly demographics are a factor in why our schools are rated so highly. But so are such things as teacher quality and student-to-teacher ratios. They're all linked together. If, for example, we fare poorly in such measures as student-to-teacher ratios or student programs in comparison to surrounding cities and communities, guess what happens to our demographics? The type of well-educated, professional, affluent homebuyer who so often now selects Pleasanton will instead select some other neighboring city with a school system which is perceived to be better. Say "bye, bye" to that demographic advantage.
As for the "Michelle Rhee" issue, I agree with you. I didn't even know who "Michelle Rhee" was and had to google her. I would rather keep the discussion to the subject at hand.
" But what people don't speak about is the other poll that assesses school districts by their demographics. Last time I looked Pleasanton was a 2 or 3. So let's not get too excited about things here. "
I'd be happy to talk about "the other poll". What is it? Do you have a link to that? What do you mean "Pleasanton was a 2 or 3"? Yes I'm excited that Pleasanton schools are excellent. I don't have any children but I'm sure glads our community takes education seriously.
As to the Michelle Rhee issue, I was on her side before I took the time to research the matter and discovered that the alleged improvements were just due to fraud. Her methods wouldn't apply to Pleasanton schools because they had only been applied to poor or average schools, never excellent schools like Pleasanton's.
My household, and all my neighbors are voting for measure E.
Yes on E.
But just to be clear: So you are condemning here those of the moral deficiency of Tim and unclehomrr? I ask because you don't seem able to separate your statement on apparently everybody in your mind stealing signs and the unfounded statements you make about measure E supporters.
If the 'yes people' are lying as you say, you should be able to present irrefutable facts that expose the lies. But all I hear from you is shouting.
And Voting no
The schools would still be good if we get all the liberal parents to start teaching their kids that it isn't okay to be a jerk in the classroom. As soon as we realize that some kids are ruining the learning experience for others, and the parents are held accountable for their child acting like an ass, only then will anything change. I am a teacher, and I do my job well, I wouldn't mind getting paid based upon how I actually teach my students. I say get rid of the unions and let me keep my dues money!
I think that Tim may have got us off to a bad start with the initial joke about stealing a sign. Let's act like adults.
Thanks to Yet Another Teacher for informing us about the shadey and destructive dealings of Michelle Rhee. We should be thanking our lucky stars that her kind of educational policy is not present in our wonderful school district. And yet there are still irrational souls out there who are defending her. I guess they'd prefer her meat cleaver approach. Aren't they thinking of the children? Why not, I can only imagine. Count on me to vote YES on Measure E.
I'm having trouble accessing the most recent API other school ranking and will get back with that when I'm successful.
So one could say that this district isn't doing as well as others with similar demographics.
Hey bob, you obviously don't get out much. If you have difficulty in your classroom with students acting like 'jerks' --- by the way, I don't have that problem with my Pleasanton students, ever --- you might try teaching in schools that don't have a 10 rating as Pleasanton does. Try teaching in a school with a 2 or 3 rating. You'll find lots of those kinds of schools in the few states that don't have union protection for their teachers. Maybe you'd rather be teaching in South Carolina? Lots of luck.
Oh, and by the way. Are you really a teacher as you claim? I ask because of a clear lack of grammatical consistency in your first sentence. I just don't see my fellow teachers making those kinds of grammatical errors. Moreover, we don't announce that a student is 'acting like an ass' as you so indelicately put it. Clever fellow! Are you sure you're not trying to pull the wool over our eyes? What a kidder you are!
"So one could say that this district isn't doing as well as others with similar demographics."
What? That 9 year old link you sent showed all four Pleasanton schools were equal or better than schools with "similar" demographics (5 - 8). The school you selected was
"Pomeroy (Marshall) Elementary District: Milpitas Unified"
That has nothing to do with Pleasanton. The link you sent showed that in 2002 Pleasanton schools were doing very well even when compared to others "with similar demographics".
Yes on E
I have to agree with Sam's remarks and hope that more people vote YES ON E. My husband and I do not have children, but continue to support Pleasanton's children and schools through our taxes, buying items from school fundraisers and contributing to PPIE and schools directly.
After reading the YES ON E website, I believe that with the stated oversight, the funds' distribution will be fair. I'm not sure the measure is perfect, but am willing to help provide our schools with funds to help plug the deficit hole.
I believe that by voting no on E, we will compound problems and increase a probable decline in Pleasanton schools. I've lived in Pleasanton for over 50 years, graduated from Pleasanton schools and wish to see our schools keep the highest level of achievement possible.
I believe that Measure E will help keep Pleasanton schools at the level we have and hope to keep or even improve.
I'm sorry to say this to you 'Comment', but the old guy who keeps posting as 'Voting no' cannot write, cannot think, and usually just tosses out web links that often as not are not relevant. Now, as your above response so clearly indicates, we know the guy cannot read, either. What a waste of time. You'd think if there were opponents of Measure E who actually had something to say beyond the typical empty-headed tea party rants that they'd step forward. Instead it seems they can only offer misinformation mixed in with tantrums and shouts.
Since my YES on "E" sign went up, my neighbors all want to know where to get one like mine!!!!
I have such nice,responsible, caring neighbors!!!
My family would LOVE a sign for YES on E. How do we get one?
unfortunately, they were in such demand that they have all been handed out!
Here's a link to a PDF you can print out.... I have seen many taped inside the rear windows of cars.
There are numerous folks that are going to vote No that do not want to get into the mudslinging on this bulletin board. It only takes one third of the voters to turn it down and based on my sample I will be very surprised if it passes. It will fail and life will go on. The bigger bomb will be when Brown's referendum fails. Without cuts in the salaries and pensions of public sector employees no tax increase will pass. California will go the way of Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio. There is no other way to remain solvent. We are looking at huge additional cuts in the school funding from the State. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I don't think it's healthy to dwell on all this doom and gloom prophesy, especially with the good news on the economy that came out today. 216,000 new jobs were added to the economy this month, repeating the strong numbers from last month. It's going to take a few years, and much of the stimulus money is only now beginning to kick in. Under strong leadership from President Obama we'll get back to where we belong, and California, as always, will be leading the way. But for now, with the economy only beginning to show strong signs of recovery, I think the parcel tax is a necessary community effort to support Pleasanton Schools.
so it ok to bash Bob the teacher who sounds like he would prefer not to be in an union. But, anyone who has a differing opinion then the "Yes on E teachers" lacks intellect, compassion and frankly cares little for children or this community
how about if we don't don't bash anyone?
does anyone rally think a single posting on here is going to change anyone's vote???
If so, their upper case "I" needs to get real and realize its only a lower case "i".
I've always maintained here that it is the right of all who post to hear from others how ridiculous some of their claims might be. I call it the 'Rights of the Ridiculous'. Except me. I'm not ridiculous at all. Nevertheless, on that tiny possibility that anyone here would find my ideas ridiculous, I'd like to be able to claim that same right. This makes dialogue more fun, which it should be. (I agree with you that I'll probably never convince you of anything.)
I'm certain "teacher bob" is a big boy and can speak for himself. As both a life-long student of the world and teacher of ideas myself, it gets my attention when I hear someone claim to be a teacher and then in the same breath call his/her students "jerks" and "acting like an ass." Because I care deeply about my students, and feel assured that all my colleagues do as well, I have to wonder about this so-called teacher. He/she doesn't sound like any teachers I've ever met, and believe me when I tell you I've skipped up and down the halls of academia for many years. I'll tell ya what, though, "concerned". I'd be happy to join you in common cause: let's both invite "teacher bob" to elaborate on his ideas. I'd love to hear him out, and I bet others would, too. In his own words.
I have to echo some of Corny's thoughts. I thought that the post of "teacher bob" did not sound very professional and seemed totally out-of-character compared to any teacher that I've ever met.
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