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Severe fire dangers lead to increased fireworks patrolling

Original post made on Jun 29, 2008

Lingering haze in the air from hundreds of Northern California fires serve as a reminder of the increased fire danger heading into the Fourth of July holiday. It's this year's dry conditions that has leaders from the Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Department and Pleasanton and Livermore police departments urging residents to avoid using fireworks.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:52 PM

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Posted by Grace
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jun 29, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Man oh man. Is anyone else tired of the duplicitous nature of these "safe and sane" fireworks sales? Ok, so these fireworks are sold by non-profit, mostly public-service organizations which we all feel moved to support. And we all feel bad that they will suffer if we don't buy fireworks from them year after year. But then, year after year, we're told that we shouldn't be using them in Pleasanton and Livermore, that they're only "legal" in Dublin.

Now, this year, we read:

"Pleasanton Police Chief Michael Fraser said all fireworks, including the ones marketed as "safe and sane" and often sold in unincorporated Dublin, are illegal in Alameda County."

Hmmm! Am I wrong in thinking that the corner of Dublin Blvd. and San Ramon Blvd., where there are numerous stands, is in the INCORPORATED part of Dublin? Or is the busiest intersection of Dublin considered UNincorporated? Does someone have a map? On top of that, Chief Fraser says that fireworks, ALL fireworks, including the "safe and sane" are illegal in Alameda County. Well, hey, Dublin IS in Alameda County:
Web Link

So what's the story, folks?? Why does anyone allow the damn things to be sold if they're illegal at the very spot they're sold? Why not just take up donations for the firefighters instead? Why play this silly game of semantics?

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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jun 30, 2008 at 10:18 pm

You are witnessing the one of the hypocrises of our society. Fireworks sales in the Bay Area are a poster child of this, and have been for years. A clear minority of incorporated cities have chosen to go their own way since state law allows it, even though the common sense of the majority has already voted against the dangers of these fireworks.

The hypocrises arises through the justification for it: Gee, Dublin something League or Dublin Youth this or that sells the stuff and therefore "IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE." So, what if they were selling cigarettes to minors, but "IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE." Suppose, these sales were instead meth, or crack cocaine, but "IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE."?

So, you know where I'm going with this argument. What's the counter argument? That all of the Bay Area communities that say the fireworks are unsafe ARE WRONG? That the fireworks "ARE FOR A GOOD CAUSE"?

If the argument is "IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE" is so powerful, let's just have every community allow the selling of crack on the corner so long as it's for youth sports, or some other "GOOD CAUSE".

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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Jul 1, 2008 at 12:08 am

Would be interesting to know how many fires are actually started by these "safe and sane" fireworks. One person in our neighborhood has a big display in the street in front of his house every Fourth of July with no problem from Pleasanton's finest that I can recall.

My biggest fear is with the kids shooting bottle rockets from the Foothill High School property. Wonder what liability PUSD would face if these bottle rockets caused a fire on an adjacent property.

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Posted by Grace
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jul 1, 2008 at 10:09 am

Bottom line: are these "safe and sane" fireworks able to be LEGALLY used in Dublin or are they not?

The article seems to indicate that they are not legal ANYWHERE in Alameda County this year.

True? Not true?

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Posted by Grace
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jul 1, 2008 at 10:20 am

Ok, I see now that the quote in the article has been modified between yesterday and today; I had performed a direct cut-and-paste in my first comment above. The quote now reads:

"Pleasanton Police Chief Michael Fraser said all fireworks, including the ones marketed as "safe and sane" and often sold in unincorporated Dublin, are illegal in most of Alameda County."

The "most of" was not present yesterday.

I guess that is the clarification. Thank you.

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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 1, 2008 at 11:06 pm

A good question was asked - how many fires have been caused over the years by these fireworks.

The question should be expanded to include how many kids and adults have suffered burns and other injuries from these same fireworks over the years. (The sparklers are particularly nasty because they don't extinguish by beating on them or watering them since they are burning metal with their own oxidant present. They keep burning until they self-extinguish.)

The answer to the first question could be constructed by fire department records, if they are kept. The second one may be harder to document because medical records are not public.

Over the years I remember there being a reasonable number of roof fires reported around each 4th of July in Pleasanton sometimes as well as in other communities, usually initiated by kids with bottle rockets. It sticks in my mind the one house in Pleasanton Meadows that was burned quite severely - residents were away and bottle rockets were the cause. Other instances I recall involve kids getting severely burned by sparklers by horsing around like throwing them and the sparkler getting stuck in the clothing. Or it hits someone in the eye. Not pretty.

I think without having to do a research study demonstrating the danger, our COMMON SENSE ALONG WITH EXPERIENCE should answer this question. If it doesn't, then take it as a very strong hint that the great majority of Bay Area municipalities outlaw these fireworks for good reason. The few "bad boys" that don't outlaw them simply have caved in to some "GOOD CAUSE" faction within that community that profits from its hypocrisy.

(a copy of this post can be found at Web Link)

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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Jul 1, 2008 at 11:57 pm

Article in the Valley Times stated some fireworks exporters in China are being hit hard. Seems some shipping companys won't transport fireworks due to the dangers and some ports won't allow ships carrying fireworks to use their docks.

I can go to S.F. and get any type fireworks I desire by asking around. Kind of like acquiring drugs in most cities.

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Posted by Deep Throat
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jul 2, 2009 at 11:43 am

Huge display near Sozo Sushi (LITTLE CEASARS AREA) 8PM on Friday night, see you all there.
I will have all of Oklahoma's best fireworks for sale and on display.
Bring your kids, bring your parents, 4th of July needs fireworks!?
Hey is the fair having fireworks this year?
Deep Throat

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