Jerry diddled while NUMMI closed State, National, International, posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Feb 10, 2010 at 10:07 am jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Many thousands of jobs in Rep Jerry McNerney's 11th Congressional District of CA will be lost as a result of the NUMMI plant closure. What has Jerry done about this?
He wrote a letter to the President of Toyota. More correctly, he signed a letter someone else wrote.
Jerry McNerney and the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and President Obama were busy taking over GM last year and giving it to the UAW Web Link as a prize for getting Obama elected, and passing stimulus which has plenty of benefits for the newly unemployed but NOTHING to help NUMMI employees KEEP their jobs and keep GM in the plant, which would have kept Toyota in the plant.
Posted by Jeff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Jim...I submit to you that Jerry did not "diddle."
More likely, he grinned and applauded the demise of NUMMI while no one (other than fellow democrats) was watching. Democrats, especially "Obama Democrats" are at WAR with the private sector in the US. They hate the private sector more than they hate America's real enemies like radical Islamists. Their hatred and destruction of the private sector is working, unfortunately. Only with the recent setbacks of Democrats in elections such as Massachusetts, NJ, Virginia, etc. is the Obama agenda slowing.
McNerney will see how his constituents feel next November. His days in office are numbered since he votes nearly 98% with madame Pelosi...one of the most leftwing radicals in Congress.
I am looking forward to November to put McNerney in his place. Namely, let's give him a one-way ticket to a country where he feels more at home with socialism/communism where there is equality of results and output and where the focus is totally on collectivism and rationing vs. individualism. How about North Korea?
Posted by Jeff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Dale...the problem with people like you is that you think the Government can and should solve ALL of our problems. Wake up! TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!
You want solutions? Dramatically reduce the oppressive, smothering, government regulations and taxes and let the marvelous, innovative private sector to its job! Period!
(Yet, Democrats have an insatiable need for "control" over our lives and the centralization of bigger and bigger government...at the expense of the private sector. There is a role for government...tho limited, just like the Founders stated in the U.S. Constitution.)
Posted by OBAMASUXA$$, a resident of another community, on Feb 10, 2010 at 5:52 pm
The gov. & UAW own GM, We the members of the socalled union got screwed over by UAW and GOV. All Obama's socalled plan to help the middle class! This guy will not get a second term his skin color wont help him again.
Posted by Jen, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Posts like this always seem to bring out Pleasanton's angry white male Limbaugh crowd. I bet McNerney has a higher IQ than the collective group of rednecks that post on here. They should get back to sharing at airhead blondes on Faux News.
Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 7:36 pm
My my you start out so well using your words and then resort to name calling, white male Limbaugh crowd, rednecks, airhead blondes. Wow! Not much can be said about that. What can be said is that Fox News is putting most of the other network news out of biz. So why do you think that is?
Posted by Jeff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Jen... McNerney having a 'higher IQ'? What kind of IQ does it take to understand that if you punish the achievers by taxing businesses excessively, forcing more burdensome regulations on them, forcing them to "compete" with government (wink-wink, since that is impossibility given that the government makes and enforces the rules, prints money, etc.), that you'll devastate the job-market and economy.
Precisely what is happening now...but you say McNerney has a high IQ? (On the other hand, I might agree if one were to assume the devastation to America's economy by the democrat party is DELIBERATE.)
Posted by RVC, a resident of Livermore, on Feb 10, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Everything in this article is true. My has worked at NUMMI for 25 years. GM and Obama came in there and shut down the NUMMI plant leaving thousands of people out of work in March. Toyota wanted to stay and work with GM on keeping the plant open. Obama came in there and in 2 weeks GM was out leave Toyota with the financial responsibility of paying out the severance and the cost of closing the plant. GM and Obama told Toyota and the worker sorry but we don't have to help financially because we're in BK. At least Toyota gave the employee's 8 months of work, GM was out in three weeks. Now Obama, the Democrats and the UAW are trying to ruin Toyota's reputation with all this recall new, so that the focus is off of them and the lastest news on all the new GM plants their opening in China, Thailand and Mexico. Obama is to blame for all the millions of job loses.
Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 10:00 pm
I have to agree with you. I do believe either Obama is completely clueless and an empty suit handled by others or is truly evil in his hatred for american exceptionalism.
Related to NUMMI it is a very sad situation and since 1984 Toyota supplied everything, equipment, training, learning the Toyota Way, Mutual trust and respect and at the same time GM was just along for the ride and I believe learned very little. As a matter of fact Toyota did all of the development work on the Nova, Prizm, and the Vibe with little input from GM. Now Obama bails and the workers suffer. Didn't the union wholeheartly endorse Obama for President? Wonder what they think now about that endorsement? My understanding is that Toyota will even be responsible for the cleanup of the site since 1963 when GM polluted the soil.
Posted by Obamasuxa$$, a resident of another community, on Feb 10, 2010 at 11:28 pm
First off i am latino ex-Democrat now Republican even befor Odrama came in office. He has ruined a big percentage of the countrys middle class way more than bush did in 8 years. Funny how i dont see so manny Odrama shirts at nummi anymore! LMAO
Posted by getreal, a resident of the Ruby Hill neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 3:05 am
... we're all in this mess because of spending billions on wars that didn't even go after the right people. Also massive deregulation of the banking industry... and folks making out like bandits on the craziest get-rich-quick-schemes ever. Let's see... all caused before the current president came into office...and he has only had a year to reverse it...but hey selective memory is fine y'all
I agree Toyota thing was messed up but where was the local support of the business community putting pressure on our elected officials? Most business leaders want American made; well you got GM - good luck paying for it. If you need to make money I know a guy called Bernie Madoff who is a great guy and promises great returns...
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Feb 11, 2010 at 8:18 am
Thanks get, IT'S ALL BUSHES FAULT. And, uh, if it is not Bush, it is the local business community who didn't put pressure on the politicians? What would they have done then? Write another letter?
Here is the thing about GM, we wouldn't have to "pay for it", as you say, if Obama had let the normal way these things go take it's course. Bankruptcy would free the company from unfunded pension liabilities, yes, screw the UAW. But Obama needed a payoff for his election. So the UAW's "health care trust" now owns a BIG chunk of Chrysler and GM. The workers got screwed anyway, in the case of NUMMI.
But California is a lock to re-elect Democrats and Obama. The Delaware plant that GM closed is getting federal funding to reopen:
Posted by Falcon, a resident of another community, on Feb 11, 2010 at 8:39 am
It was very nice see some intelligent comments. The plant shutdown is a complexity of Government, GM, Toyota, and the UAW. Lets face it, our government taxes everything. So many Corporations have left CA for that reason alone. GM and Toyota originally was going to keep this plant open for 10 years, but extended it. I don't feel they really wanted to keep it going. Toyota spent over 6 billon in Texas, and Mississippi to build two new plants. The UAW did not compromise. In 1982 GM shut the Fremont plant, quality was bad, a great more people had to be hired to cover for the people that did not come to work, a bad working relationship between UAW, and GM. I think what happened in 1982 still left a bad tast in GM's mouth. Now in 2009 when the UAW was asked to have early negotiations due to the economic situation, they flat out turned it down. This showed GM and Toyota the UAW was not willing to work with them, and there would be no compromising, big mistake. All of this items, set into motion, what we are now experiencing. The work force at NUMMI is outstanding, some of the most dedicated people in world. A big difference from GM 1982. We as Americans have to stick together. American Businesses have to stop selling out by resourcing outside of our country. Our Government needs to help USA Business survive in our country.
Posted by Timothy T, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 9:14 am
Right off, I'm a Republican, but the smear and lack of facts in this thread is appalling and makes me sad for my party.
Don't complain about big government when our party created the largest government in history. And don't blame either party for GM's bailout of NUMMI. It was horribly unprofitable and one of the reasons that GM signaled it was going to get out of it so early. It was a no-brainer when you looked at the books. If it was profitable, Toyota would have been more than happy to take over the whole thing.
Only be taking responsibility for our actions and setting a new course will our Republican party gain an edge, otherwise we'll be relegated to tea parties and a bunch of whining, like you see in this thread.
Posted by Dominic, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 9:19 am
Jerry McNerney is bad for Pleasanton, California, and the country. We will remove him from office.
As for the defenders of him and the left wing of the Democratic Party your arguments which are nothing more than name calling (right wingers, or Bush supporters). This is school yard rheteric and is not only weak but lacks any substance or facts...this seems to be what many Dems do these days, not make a case, but just express there ill feelings to those who descent from their point of view.
NUMMI employed people here, now they don't! These are the facts, and by the way, this did not on Bush's watch, it is on McNerney's and Obama's....Wake up, many of you have been asleep at the news far too long...
Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 9:23 am
You need a better grasp of the facts. NUMMI was indeed viable and made a significant amount of money in the 90's which is really important when you consider that it really was a cost center rather than a corporation. Take a look at how much money was made by GMAC and by TMS by selling those vehicles made at NUMMI. Money was made and big money by the parents who each owned 50% of the equity in NUMMI. In the early 2000's the city of Fremont, Alameda country, and the state of California started viewing NUMMI as a source of revenue because they had already seen an exodus of business leaving the state so what did they do? Imposed the most stringent environmental regulations in the nation on NUMMI, energy costs through the roof or highest in the nation, and then workers compensation charges through the roof. These are the things which made NUMMI difficult at best.
Breakeven for NUMMI is about 350,000 units more or less, so when GM sets sail and you are Toyota how are you going to run it for a profit when your volumes drop to below 250,000, you are left which a union, and not to mention the toxic cleanup from the years of use by GM? That is why it is shutting down.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Feb 11, 2010 at 10:21 am jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Here is a shining example of Rep McNerney's IQ:
Jerry McNerney literally took credit for a bill which will "encourage hiring and create new job opportunities for people who are currently unemployed" in a press release yesterday. His bill amends existing tax code, crosses out '40' on one line and replaces it with '7.5', and crosses out '5' on another line and replaces it with '40'.
It places a few other restrictions which limit the number of eligible workers and companies to receive the existing tax break, so in that way, it increases tax on a few companies that may have received a tax cut.
Posted by Loons Doomed NUMMI, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 am
It is not unexpected that McNerny did nothing productive on NUMMI. He does nothing productive on anything. The only thing he "accomplishes" is pimpin' for Pelosi. BTW, the doofus is going to have another round of "town hall meetings" by telephone. He is too chicken to face the voters face-to-face.
Now, regarding NUMMI. The simple truth is that there was no way that Toyota was going to have a UAW plant. They have watched for years as the UAW brought down the Big 3 in Detroit. No way in h*ll we're they going to let the UAW get their foot in the door. Then, of course, the Bay Area being a left-wing-loon, staunchly union, hate private enterprise bastion didn't help either. They get news about Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Lee, and Pete Stark in Japan, too. They don't give a damn about McNerny, he is too much of a doofus to count. Remember to vote out some left-wing-loons in November folks, or more of the same will be happening.
Posted by Greg R., a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 am
Reading this post, I can tell many of you ignorant conservatives are programmed by Fox News. Instead of commenting on this post, I thought you guys would be calling up your other pasty, obese, close-minded friends to organize another Tea Bagger party. Welcome to the Palin/Glenn Beck led idiocracy, where stupidity is now a virtue!
Posted by Loons Doomed NUMMI, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 10:50 am
You are nuts - similar to Harry Nuts, a.k.a. Harry Reid. If you like socialist republics, please move to Russia, China, Venezuala, or Cuba. I'm sure you will be much happier in one of those socialist paradises.
Also, since liberalism is a mental disorder, you might want to seek some medical advice.
Posted by Chuck, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Forget the name-calling; that solves nothing. Yes, this DC insider so-called administration IS truly more at WAR with American industry and the middle class than with our REAL enemies! If you don't see that, you not watching what has been going on!
One answer: RE-ELECT NO INCUMBENTS IN NOVEMBER! Start off with Pete Stark and McNerney; Nevada will take care of Harry Reid. SF will probably continue kissing up to Princess Pelosi, but she will no longer be Speaker after November. HOLD EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE for what they were elected to do, and accept NO excuses = Step #2.
Finally, recognize that IF Toyota had agreed to keep NUMMI open after GM backed out, they would probably be reneging on that now that the scandals have hit Toyota. This latest debacle is going to cost them many, many Billions, and they'll be a long time recovering, in spite of their media blitz to salvage their customer base. Just watch. One more reason to try and buy American, IF they make some good cars that last, and at competitive prices. For the last 40 years, they've just been lapdogs to the UAW, and shooting themselves in the foot. As Meg Whitman says in her ads: SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY. I know that is foreign to most politicians, but it's time they started doing just that!
Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Toyota makes great cars and they are safe. You think all of this hoopla would be going around if it were a GM, Ford, or Chrysler situation? I think not and I do not believe that anyone in their right mind does not believe this is politically motivated by the Obama Administration and the Unions. Toyota's sales will be fine. You should look up the NAP Ratio of GM, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles. You would be surprised. NASCAR entries are the Chevrolet Impala, Ford Fusion, Toyota Camry, and the Dodge Charger. How many of these models are made in the United States? Easy answer.........the Camry is the only vehicle made in volumes in the US. The others are either made in Canada, Mexico, or China so go figure.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Feb 12, 2010 at 11:37 am
It is bad that the government takes over GM while spending billions we do not have, it is bad the US prints and borrows money and increase taxes to turn General Motors into Government Motors.
It is worse that GM pulls out of NUMMI, all but guaranteeing the closure of the plant and serious damage to the local economy. All the while our local politicians are powerless (or just worthless) to do anything. It is bad there will be tens of thousands more unemployed people in the area soon.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Feb 12, 2010 at 11:45 am
And SH, just because I am criticizing McNerney, it doesn't mean it has to be a polarized conservatives vs progressives issue. Many NUMMI workers likely vote for the people with a (D) next to their name. Some of them are getting an education on what the labor unions unconditional love for the progressive agenda has earned them.
These people will become what we referred to in the last generation as 'Reagan Democrats' in the next election cycle. They will learn that true conservatives are looking after their interests.
Posted by Sheerluck_Holmes, a resident of the Jensen Tract neighborhood, on Feb 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Thx Jim01 for a reasoned response. I really like your comment about labels and partisanship. We're not getting anywhere with this squabbling. People don't deliberately sabotage their lives and children's future. Right or left.
I have to confess I am a liberal. I'm asking a conservative if he really want more govt intrusion into the private sector? Giving money to Wall Street bankers with no strings attached? Even distributing stimulus money so local governments can delay making the tough decision about taxes vs services for one more year.
I know how a liberal would answer those questions. I'm curious how a free-market conservative would respond.
Posted by you lost, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Feb 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm
When will the right-wing realize they lost the election and it is going to take a while to right all the problems that have destroyed the country because of President Cheney and Vice President Rove, who controlled the puppet Bush. Those who bash the President are not patriots; they are anti-American. (oh, ya, that is what Cheney and Rove said, not me)
Posted by Jason, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 12, 2010 at 9:34 pm
"Many thousands of jobs in Rep Jerry McNerney's 11th Congressional District of CA will be lost as a result of the NUMMI plant closure." FALSE. Here are the jobs that either have been lost or will be lost from the NUMMI closure that were actually located in the 11th District:
Livermore: Johnson Controls .......... 321
Stockton: Kyoho Manufacturing ... 154
Sources: State Employment Development Department, NUMMI Web site
Expletives and ambiguous statements ("many, many" which apparently is now synonymous with thousands)are a great way to prove your point!
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Feb 12, 2010 at 10:01 pm
RT, the progressives (you lost) are what the conservatives are up against. SH says he is a liberal but sounds like a fiscal conservative, you and those like you in the Congress are the only thing keeping the radicals from winning every battle. you lost is making the mistake of still campaigning against Bush, just like Obama is. It is their main talking point, otherwise their initiatives fall flat, i.e. the American people oppose health care reform.
The liberals who oppose Obama's fiscal policy will be the liberals who become what we used to call Reagan Democrats and vote against (D)'s in 2010.
Jason the stats you cite are the situation today, as the plant is still open. Check back when they shut that thing down, many many suppliers and NUMMI employees live in CD-11
Posted by Sheerluck_Holmes, a resident of the Jensen Tract neighborhood, on Feb 13, 2010 at 9:41 am
To address the comment on the upcomming surge of the Reagan Democrats and thier moderating influence in Congress:
Its hard to tell what the voters really want. I'd hate to think we voted for Barack Obama simply because he's black. Just like it would be hard to believe that George W Bush won re-election because the voters thought he would have made a cooler drinking buddy than John Kerry (Even though he's a successfully recovering alcoholic)
Health care reform is vital for the long - term economic strength of our country. Containing the costs of medicare, social security and the Department of Defense is vitally important. But voters don't seem to think these issues are important. As if to say, keep the status quo with my medical coverage.
California is representative of this voter duality. We want lower taxes but would like to keep all of the current government services. Something has gotta give. We can reform in a rational, balanced way, that causes the least amount of disruption, or ignore it and hope the catastrophic consequences don't happen in our life-time.
A few weeks back the conservative columnist for the New York Times wrote, Barack Obama needs to pull it together because there's a third-party candidate out there who will sweep into office with unknown consequences. A Ross Perot without the paranoid weirdness. Maybe the solution is the middle path, a union of moderate independents who are disillusioned by both parties.
Its a fantasy because nothing revolutionary comes from the middle.
Sorry to take the thread so far from NUMMI, but my $0.02.