17-year-old from Livermore killed in crash following armed robbery Crimes & Incidents, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Dec 30, 2009 at 7:42 am
Alameda County sheriff's officials said Thursday that five people who were in a car that sped away from deputies and then crashed into a truck in Hayward early Wednesday allegedly had been involved in an armed robbery less than an hour earlier.
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Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:03 am
Can I ask why the fine people at the Pleasanton Weekly are waiting to take down the previous post? The statement above is truely ignorant and offensive to normal people. I want to remind everyone the tradegy involved a 17 year old child. The young man wasn't old enough to make rational adult choices. Then the worst part, for anyone to say something like that to a grieving parent...thats just awful. I never want to imagine the pain they're feeling. Now I see some anonymous person is running their mouth at the worst time of a parents life. Shameful.
"livermore"... you should be ashamed of yourself and you should be constantly worried about Karma coming back at you two fold...
Posted by bob123, a resident of another community, on Dec 31, 2009 at 9:05 am
Unfortunately the prior post stating that a "17 year old can not make rational adult choices" is a reflection of the "for every crime there is an excuse" mentality that is so common today. At some point--maybe by age 10 -every child should understand that robbery/stealing is a crime and not something that can be excused by the"he was with the wrong crowd, he grew up in a tough area, he did not have a good education, he did not have the chances others have etc etc " social whining that pass for defenses to some horribe acts --just ask the girl from Richmond High what she thinks of whether or not a 17 or 18 year old can make rational adult decisions between good and bad!
Posted by you got it right, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 31, 2009 at 11:23 am
bob123 says it all. Young people think the drinking age should be lowered to 18 because they claim to be rational adults by that age. Then they excuse the murderous actions of a 17 year old as not being old enough to make rational adult choices. Which one is it?
Parents raise these entitled brats to feel that there are no consequences for their dumb actions. Every bad action has an excuse. Then maybe we need to withhold driver's licenses until age what -- 21? 25? 30? At what point will mommy and daddy tell the kid that he has adult responsibilities? That's the earliest age that should allow the kid any priviledges at all.
Posted by tyu, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Dec 31, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Lucky the criminal was killed not the victims. If you ever had a gun pointed at you and then robbed you wouldn't care if he was 17 or 18 and a legal adult. Nobody is happy this all happened, but I won't shed a tear. Maybe ten years from now he would have been staightened out, then again he could have gotten even worse and cost innocents lives. Thank god they hit a truck and not a car full of good kids or a family and killed them all.
Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 31, 2009 at 9:24 pm
I never excused this poor boys actions. I don't condone the stealing of property. This boy and his partners did wrong. I won't deny that. My issue was with the person mocking his grieving parents. No parent should be ridiculed after their childs death. My point for bring up his age was to remind everyone that this person lived a small fraction of his life, and its a tragedy. His age doesn't excuse him, it only says that he didn't fully understand the consequences of his actions. I don't know the particulars in the case. So I won't speak as if I do.
Bob and "you got it.." you guys sound like you have plenty of built up frustration towards...something. We just met, so it couldn't be me. Is it society? Youth? Crime and Punishment? Current events in general? Are you trolling this site waiting for a fight? I enjoys debates, count me in...
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Jan 1, 2010 at 1:48 am
At what age does a person fully understand the consequences of their actions. We teach children at a young age that it's not acceptable to take little brothers/sisters candy. Even though they may continue to take the candy, they know it's wrong and consequences are likely to result...
In my opinion, to say a 17 year old person doesn't fully understand the consequences of armed robbery is foolish...
Posted by bob123, a resident of another community, on Jan 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm
No "built up frustration" here --just 60 plus years of reality mixed in with 27 years in military and a graduate degree that prevents me from believing all the "can't we just get along" softness that now pervades our society and excuses acts of violence by finding some socio/economic/cultural basis to justify what a great kid/young man or woman the criminal was on those days he/she was not being victimized by having to go to school or work at a job. So I am sure someone will tell me that it was entirely some adult or better yet, perhaps government funded program/of lack thereof fault that young folks like these are out looking for people to rob rather than being home studying. In case you did not guess I would say that is unadultrated nonsense and the reason they were out was to find a victim to rob as that is easier than working or going to school.
Posted by you got it right, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 1, 2010 at 6:09 pm
I don't think anyone (except the poster whose comments were removed) has said that the kid deserved to die. But think about it -- he died from his own STUPID actions and he was more than likely going to cause someone else to die because of his own stupid actions. Where were the parents for the last 17 years? Kids are not model humans one day and homicidal morons the next. Remember Columbine? Those parents had their heads so far buried where the sun doesn't shine that they nurtured mass murderers without a thought or care in their heads about what their kids were really up to. If you want to be a parent then BE THE PARENT. Know what your kids are doing and teach them about consequences. Stop having them and then expecting "society", whoever that is, to teach them while making constant excuses about the kids being too young to be responsible for their actions.
This was a simple matter of cause and effect. (Comment removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff as innuendo, hearsay or specific accusatory information unsupported by facts.)
Posted by Anne, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Does anyone else think there may be similarities to the armed robbery of some Pleasanton teens a couple of weeks ago in the vicinity of Mavis and Vineyard Ave?? They also had a gun pulled on them. And when one boy wasn't emptying his pockets fast enough, he got punched in the mouth and received a broken jaw. I hope the police check this out!
Posted by andrea luciano, a resident of the California Reflections neighborhood, on Mar 2, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I AM VERY SORRY FOR EVERYONES LOSS HOWEVER I THOUGHT ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT ACCIDENT HAD A CHOICE TO GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE AND THEY DID THEY SAY THEIR WAS A ROBBERY INVOLVED HOWEVER MANY HOURS BEFORE THE CRASH WHOMEVER WAS PRESENT AT THE TIME OF THE ROBBERY WAS INVOLVED IF THEY WERE THERE.THEIR WAS NO PEER PRESSURE.I BET NO ONE KNEW MY BROTHER WAS GIVEN THE ALCOHOL BY YOUR LOVED ONES ALTHOUGH HE DIDNT MAKE A WISE DECISION IN WHAT HE DID HE ALSO HAS FAMILY AND A CHILD AND HIS LIFE IS OVER TOO.HE MADE THE WRONG DECISION IN BEING THERE ALL OF THEM DID.AND HE HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT WITH THE REST OF HIS LIFE KNOWING THAT HIS BAD DECISIONS CAUSED HIM TO LOSE HIS FREINDS.I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MY BROTHER IS NOT A CRUEL PERSON HE WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME AND HE NEVER WOULD HAVE HURT HIS FRIENDS. AND HE IS SOO SORRY AND HURT AND BROKEN UP BECAUSE ALTHOUGH YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE PAST HE WISHES HE COULD OF DONE THINGS BETTER THAT NIGHT.
AND MRS. VELMA I AM SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS AND SO IS MY BROTHER HE IS A VERY LOVED INDIVIDUAL IN MY LIFE IN OUR FAMILY AND IF HE COULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN IM SURE THAT HE WOULD FIX IT ALL AND TAKE IT BACK.IT WAS A HORRIBLE ACCIDENT AND IT WASNT DONE ON PURPOSE I JUST WANTED ALL OF YOU READING THIS TO KNOW THAT