Death Penalty for Rapists/Child Molesters Crimes & Incidents, posted by Paula, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I am for the death penalty for rapists and child molesters. Rape is a crime that devastates humans and the traumatic effects are life-long. Rapists and child molesters cannot be stopped, and we cannot rely on permanent incarceration. They will be let out eventually for one reason or another. The only way to protect society is to kill them.
Posted by Bob, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I sure hope you are kidding about the death penalty. I read where castration is the only cure so I would be for that without a doubt but the death penalty? No I would not be for that. We have almost 700 people on death row already and none are ever put to death so that number would only grow. Castration is the answer.
Posted by Lucky guy, a resident of the Foothill Knolls neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2009 at 4:05 pm
700 on Death Row---Give them 3 months to appeal. Once appealed and done, I would line up all 700 and flip the switch with no guilt or give a shot which is too kind. Hanging is the cheapest. If some of you ever experienced a rape or molestation involving you personally or a family member you might not be so forgiving. Life is valuable but not for these scumbags. Even prisoners want to get at child molesters--the scum of the scum.
Posted by Catrina, a resident of another community, on Sep 2, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Years ago people were hanged for little things. Today you can get away with murder. It's time to enforce the death penalty without all these ridiculous delays. Look at Polly Klaas's abductor. He should have received the death penalty years ago. "Lucky Guy" gets it!
I understand how you feel Paula, they disgust me!!!
Posted by Qwerty, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 12:46 am
There are times when whipping-@$$ is the only solution. I wouldn't advocate the death penality however nor would I necessarily agree that castration is the answer.
I would be in favor of a "three strikes" type of law whereby repeat offenders involved in rape or severe child molestation cases lose their you-know-whats. Even with the advance scientific methods we have today, there are still cases where people are wrongfully accused or imprisoned. So I think castration for a first-time offender would be too harsh. If someone continues to repeat such offenses, then yeah, I wouldn't have much sympathy.
Posted by Lucky Guy, a resident of the California Reflections neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 8:27 am
Three strikes, huh---these people who end up on Death Row usually have Rap Sheets longer than their arms and have done crimes that have not been solved or are not known about. Life in Prison, castration or anything else cost taxpayers lots of money. These people do dispicable things. Everyone, when they reach adulthood should know in their gut "right from wrong" and know they are committing a criminal act. It then becomes their Choice and their Choice IS to do these horrible things. I then say "toast them" or whatever other means we choose to dispose of this vermin. Castration does not prevent them from raping with an instrument--come on folks. Were now letting criminals out of jail because we are out of money. How about a tax increase on YOU to build more prisons--takes more prison guards, etc., etc. and it has shown recidivism still occurs at a great rate.
Posted by P-town dad, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 8:46 am
One underlying problem we have in this country is that none of our penalties effectively act as true deterrents. Threat of prison does not scare anyone who does evil - it is an accepted fact in the criminal culture, and sometimes a badge of honor. Mandatory counseling doesn't work by its very nature - the light bulb can only be changed if it wants to.
Therefore I support chemical and physical castration for heinous sex crimes such as rape. The chemical castration reduces the hormonal influence and the physical castration is the deterrent. Life in prison is a monetary burden to the rest of society. Since so few of those on death row ever get executed, we don't have a functioning death penalty.
I submit to you that castration fits the crime, and is fair to society.
Posted by Blair, a resident of the Foxborough Estates neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 9:09 am
say why pay for them to live. Right after the first appeal if they are still found guilty they walk straight to the firing squad. They should then be turned over to their family (if they even still want them) to be buried. If we have to burry them then it should be cremation.
Posted by Lee, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 10:22 am
Rapists and child molesters in ancient Jewish society were stoned on the spot to rid the society of evil. Works for me!! If we actually executed people in this state perhaps more evil people would move away!
I also don't want my tax dollars going to feed, house, educate and try to "rehabilitate" these people. They have proven they cannot be "rehabbed" by their repeated acts of evil!
Yes, we must be careful that we catch the correct ones for the crimes, but once we know for sure, execute them!!
Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 10:35 am Parent of Two is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Think about the millions of dollars we spend a year on keeping the 700 death row inmates alive and breathing.
Then think about how the school districts need money to teach our children and improve our society.
We, as a society, have already voted and approved the death penalty for certain crimes. It's the liberal judges that permit repetitive and spurious appeals and stays of execution. Tell you what, if a judge really thinks the person should be rehabilitated, let the inmate stay at the judge's house.
Do you really think that we gain anything by keeping these scumbags alive? Take the money that is being wasted on these murderers/rapists/molesters and spend it on the schools, where it can actually do some good.
I'll pull the switch all 700 times. Hell, you could probably make some money by raffling off the privilege of pulling the switch. Win-win-win.
The majority of child molesters, male/female, are never caught. Many are connected to religious institution (all denominations) and most of the clergy that are accused settle with the plaintiff and are not convicted. Most clergy do not serve time in jail. If they are not convicted, they are not required to register as sex offenders so they continue molesting children and vulnerable adults.
So many members of religious institutions protect their clergy and become very very angry when allegations of child molestation are filed. They usually blame the victim and claim that the accuser only wants money. One of the best ways to fight this crime is to report it to the police and NOT to church authorities. Another action that parents can take is to be aware of who your children are with as much as possible. Donate money to the organizations that fight in behalf of kids against sexual abuse. Never allow you children to be alone with adults, male or female.
Most perpetrators don't go to hell, they move in next door to you.
Posted by Paula, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I am not proposing the death penalty for rapists as a deterrent. I am proposing it as the only way to potect innocent people. I would be in favor of life in prison without parole but that doesn't happen. Something always gets them out (the prisons are too crowded, parole boards are idiots, etc.).
The only way to protect people from rapists is the death penalty. It's easier to prove than murder because of body fluids that can be collected. Rapists may move through death row more quickly because of that.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Life in prison does not work... look at the recent case of that guy that kidnapped the 11 year old and held her captive for 18 years. That was a repeat offender who was sentenced to life in prison yet got out before he completed his term, and kidnapped and ruined the life of an innocent child.
As a mother of young kids, I am all for protecting the children and the rights of the victims - it is sad to see that sex offenders get all kinds of breaks and protections but what about the victims and what about protecting other children from going through something so horrible? The death penalty should be applied to horrible crimes such as rape of a minor, there could be something called "first degree rape" and just like first degree murder, standards would apply to make sure an innocent person is not convicted/executed.
Posted by Pauline, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 1:23 pm
let's slow down a bit here folks. Rape is not murder and nobody should get the death penalty for a rape. Heck we do not even give the death penalty for murder so it is a stretch to believe that in the most liberal of states anyone would ever agree to the death penalty for rape. the whole idea is far to loose to begin with. so would date rape be rape and punishible by the death penalty? let's get real.
Posted by Qwerty, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I agree with Pauline. There are varying degrees of rape so I don't think that castration of any sort (chemical, physical) would be appropriate. For repeat offenders of aggravated rapes, then yes I think it would be ok to institute such a punishment, but not for a "date rape" type of situation. Are they all horrible crimes yes. But we also have varying degrees of murder, 1st degree, 2nd degree, special circumstances, etc for a reason.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Sep 3, 2009 at 3:21 pm
There is a recent case in Plutonia re: a local country club tennis coach who sexually abused several young girls and he only got 15 yrs. in prison. Should he have been castrated, physically or chemically or executed? There was a diversity of opinion. What are your thoughts now?
It certainly wasn't date rape. In my opinion, sexual violence against children should result in a lifetime of incarceration without the possibility of parole.
Posted by common sense, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 3:43 pm
How many unsolved cases of kidnap and sexual slavery do you think are out there right now, with the victim still living with the one who abducted them? I bet its in the 1000's. And how many sexual perverts enter the world each day who cannot help what they are doing? I would think castration might help with the ultimate penalty for the most heinous crimes being Death.
Posted by Paula, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Pauline, you say nobody should get the death penalty for rape. I don't think you understand my point. I'm not saying the death penalty should be used as a punishment for rape, I'm saying the death penalty should be used as the a way, and it's the only way, to stop rapists. They cannot stop themselves. LIfe in prison doesn't happen in this country. The only way to protect children is to kill the rapist. Are innocent children more important than the life of a rapist? In my opinion, yes, and I would vote that way.
If Garrido had been killed after the first rape, Jaycee would not have existed in a living hell that will remain in her brain for the rest of her life.
Posted by Pauline, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 4:50 pm
rape is disgusting but not murder and no ones life has been taken just a violation of their person and for that no one should lose their life. The prisons are full of murderers who have been there for decades and they have not murdered again because they are not out. Do we have more rapists now than we did 50 years ago or do we just hear about it more now?
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Sep 3, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I would not minimize "rape" with the word "just". I think that it distorts what actually happens to a victim. It is an act of sexual violence and in some instance, a victim is also murdered after being raped. There is also evidence of victims being tortured, murdered and then raped. Rape is a horrific crime of sexual violence against an innocent person. I would also note that some victims of rape will also suicide.
There are more people in the US now than than there were 50 years ago, so it's quite likely that there are more people being raped today. And, we probably also hear more about it now because of the mass media.
Posted by Pauline, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2009 at 8:11 am
I am not saying the effects are not terrible I am just trying to point out that no ones is losing their life here and therefore the death penalty (which we do not use) is out of the question. I honestly do not believe at all in the death penalty nor do I believe that killing in any form is the correct avenue. These people who kill abortion doctors excuse their actions by saying they are keeping the doctors from killing more. Killing is killing no matter if you are the guy killing the doctors nor the doctor killing the innocent. In an odd way anyone who says that killing a child molester is just keeping him from molesting more is making the case that killing doctors who perform abortions is keeping them from killing more.
Posted by Lucky Guy, a resident of the Bordeaux Estates neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2009 at 9:24 am
It's this analysis that causes our situation. Natural laws exists in all kingdoms. You kill, you rape, you molest then you die. Fair trial, appeals and you are done. I do not care what kind of rape, how someone is murdered, who molests. Prisons are bulging and now we are letting go punks that choose not to respect the law. You must have rules to live by to be safe. Simple in my view and barbaric but neccessary. Social recovery programs miss one point--that about being responsible for your actions. Always an excuse for what they do---poor, bad family conditions, blah, blah, blah. Every being knows right from wrong. Why should they not pay?
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2009 at 11:58 am
I say castration then death penalty. There have been perp that have assaulted after castration. It's not just the testasterone, woman (uh remeber the Tracy woman?) offend too. It's also not the working parts, many parapalegics still have sexual desire although parts aren't functional. This topic has been on the forum before. I just don't get the defending of rapist and pedophiles. Should I ask, what if it was your kid? Religious beliefs seem to be the only reasonable reason why people don't want these people dead. God will get him type stuff. I say send them to god to get their punishment started. I know I am way over on the side of death penalty for these people, even torture, and that might sound evil. All I can say it's a visceral hate that comes pouring out of me when this topic is brought up. I'd happily be the guy flipping the switch on the chair.
Posted by Paula, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2009 at 3:56 pm
2ME$U, you have good guy hate. You hate the people who devastate children's lives. I can't think of something (or someone-the child molester) more worth hating If you weren't a good guy, you wouldn't feel this strongly. If everyone felt like you, children would be safer.
Posted by Paula, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Pauline, in a way, people are losing their lives, just not literally. A raped child has lost their childhood, they've lost their sense of safety, they've lost their trust in people, they suffer from rage, depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress syndrome for the rest of their lives. some are incapable of connecting sex with love after this experience (or have great difficulty doing so) so they are robbed of the ability to have healthy sexual love with a partner....I could go on and on. Pauline, you really don't have the knowledge to speak about this.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Sep 4, 2009 at 6:41 pm
There are countless survivors, male and female, children and adults, who have been raped by males and females. If you contact survivors of clergy abuse, you will find that the majority do not want their perps executed. Contact the Survivor's Network of those Abused by Priests, the Awareness Center and other survivor organizations, they will tell you what they prefer happen.
Paula knows alot but there are other survivor's who have different opinions. Survivor's generally respect each others opinions.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Thanks Paula. It is built into me, the disgust for these people. I have been shocked by posts on this subject on this forum before. Not just the posts meant to annoy but the defending and justifying posts. I really don't get it.