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PLEASE don't take dogs to Farmer's Market

Original post made by fresh produce shopper, Pleasanton Heights, on Aug 14, 2009

Claudette McDermott posted: "We actually took our dog to walk Farmer's Market and she loved it, was well behaved so I was pleasantly surprised."
There are signs everywhere that animals are not allowed at the market. Last week I observed a health inspector taking photos of the many people who blatantly ignored this law. It is not optional and it is not something made up by the Farmer's Market people. The county health inspector prohibits animals from markets because there is unwrapped food there. When you choose to ignore that you put our city at risk of losing the market.
If people continue to ignore the "no dogs" signs we WILL lose the market. Think before doing something so selfish.

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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Aug 14, 2009 at 10:28 am

There is unwrapped food at First Wednesday and dogs are allowed there.

This is just another stupid California law intent on taking away any an all freedoms. Why can't it be up to the farmer's market (as in many states, or the city). That way the people involved can actually make the decision.

A quick search reveals no reports on dogs creating health issues with unwrapped food (or any food - but if you have a study feel lfree to share)). By the way, have you ever been to a farm that didn't have dogs? Yes, there may be an issue with dogs and people feeling safe, so why can't the community decide? Some markets in Portland have dog hours and dog free hours. Some markets in Washington allow dogs the whole time, while others ban them.


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Posted by fresh produce shopper
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Aug 14, 2009 at 10:41 am

I make no claims that dogs cause harm, I am only stating what I was told by the person taking the photos. I don't even know if he works for the health dept since I did not ask for ID. I do know from my later call to the health dept that dogs are prohibited from our market. Not my rule, just my observation so don't kill the messenger.
I also think people should be able to walk around at first Wednesday with beer and wine but our cops are way too uptight to allow that. Most other street festivals and art & wine shows allow it too.
All I am saying is that someone with a me first attitude who insists on bringing dogs in violation of the signs may eventually cause all of us to lose our market. Hardly fair.


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Aug 14, 2009 at 10:51 am

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I think that dogs are less of a health risk than toddlers who are allowed to touch food with their grubby, germ-laden, snot-moistened hands. Every week, I see inattentive parents letting their little bacteria farms run free and touch food with no warnings, no "don't touch" scoldings, and absolutely no consideration for others.

Most dogs don't touch the food, and are therefore safer.


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Aug 14, 2009 at 11:01 am

Fresh - I see your point on losing the market. I get frustrated over the stupid laws - which apparently many people think are stupid or they would be more strongly enforced as there arent' many people "hiding" their dogs at the market.

And ditto on hte beer and wine stuff. A few years ago, I saw a co-worker get stopped for having a beer outside of the "beer garden" (which by the way was about one drink left in the cup). You would have thought from he scene that he was under suspicion of a very serious crime. Within a few minutes he was surrounded by 7 officers. It took them about 20 minutes to harass him and give him his ticket.

By the way, how do we get that changed - is that a City Council thing?


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Posted by fresh produce shopper
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Aug 14, 2009 at 11:24 am

The beer/wine restrictions can probably be changed via the city council and the PD. I attended the Fremont Festival this month where people were IDed to buy the booze but roamed freely while drinking. Did not see one adult give a drink to an underaged person, not one rowdy incident, hardly any cops on the streets. Pleasanton is way too uptight about that stuff. Our cops go balistic over drinking infractions but they do nothing about red light runners and people who hit pedestrians in crosswalks.
What's wrong with this picture?
Parent of Two -- I agree! But for now kids cannot be banned, maybe we could get irresponsible parents banned instead.


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Aug 14, 2009 at 11:29 am

While we are somewhat changing the subject, most festivals and street fairs that I have been too have open alcohol areas. Many are completely open within the fair, some do have alcohol areas, but they are usually fairly large, but may be limited to the food area and stage areas.

Here is Pleasanton we quarantine the drinkers so they can not get food and enjoy a beer or class of wine. We also don't give them any chairs anymore. And don't forget the police on the rooftop and cameras - sort of like our own little alcohol prison.

Wasn't it at least a little better, when the beer garden was the whole parking lot and you could at least sit down and enjoy a drink while your kids danced to the band?


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Posted by PToWN94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2009 at 12:10 pm

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This is a bit off topic, but I agree with Me Too about the Beer Garden. I hadn't gone to one of the street parties in a few years and recently attended the dog show one. I found it comical that they allowed people to drink in the roped off area with cops standing on the roofs. They seem to be so worried about who drinks, all the while not even paying attention to the roped off boarders, but do have a ton of people standing at the entrance. You'd think that 5 bucks for one ticket would generate enough revenue to at least provide some kind of seating for a more comfortable atmosphere.


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Posted by Lisa
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:06 pm

Do you want to know why all of these "rules" are put into place? I will tell you. Frivalous lawsuits. No more high dive at the aquatic center, thousands of dollars spent to change the curbs to have bumps, alcohol being tightly monitored at street fairs, no dogs at Farmers market....the list goes on and on. Get a clue, people. Make up your minds. Do you want more freedoms and the risks that come with them (personally, my answer is yes) or do you want to blame and sue everyone for the "accidents" that occur? You have to choose. This city is a wonderful place to live and it is protecting itself by making laws and ENFORCING laws to avoid the billions of dollars worth of FRIVALOUS LAWSUITS that come from playing the blame game when someone gets hurt.
For example, if someone drives drunk and kills someone after attending a street fair, the families of both parties involved can sue the city or organizers of the street fair for being negligent when serving alcohol. No personal responsibility is taken.
And one more thing- I grew up in Fremont and attended many Art and Wine Festivals there. Everyone knew not to be there in the late afternoon, due to the amount of beligerant (sp?) drunks who were starting fights and causing trouble after a day of "sampling" beer and wine. Fremont has had many issues with this.
So make up your minds. Take personal responsibility for yourself and stop blaming and suing every Tom, Dick, and Harry for your misfortunes, or LIVE WITH THE RULES and stop whining.
Our local government does their best to make laws to protect the citizens and themselves. If you want change or think you can do better, get your lazy butt off the Town Square Forums and get out there and do something. Bring the change you want to see.
(can you tell I'm sick of the whiners who do NOTHING but complain??) :o)


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Posted by Fido
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:15 pm

The California Retail Food Code, Chapter 12, section 114371;8;d states that no live animals are allowed within 20 feet of food that is held or stored for sale at a farmer's market. You'll need to change the law if you want to bring your dog or the farmer's market risks being fined or shut down.

Web Link

See page 97.


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:34 pm

Lisa - I have never sued anybody and take personal responsibility for my actions. If I drive drunk and kill someone, its MY fault. Not the fault of the person who sold me beer, or the beer maker, or the cup maker that the beer was in or the the guy who delivered the beer to the location.

Before I can get off my lazy butt and go down there, I thought I would try to get some information first, like who to talk to. Instead of waling around downtown screaming about LAWS and LAWSUITS, it would seem to make more sense to talk to the right people first and go about it in a civilized responsible manner. But I can see that may be difficult for you to understand.

And I'm sorry that Fremont is not able to control their crowds.


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Aug 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm

Lisa - would you please post a copy of the letter you have sent to your local, state and federal representatives regarding frivolous lawsuits? I too and sick of everyone suing and would like to see how you presented your arguments.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 14, 2009 at 9:54 pm

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Damn lawyers and the people they prey upon....but, on a practical matter more closely related to the original thread, the area where shoopers walk at the Farmer's Market is crowded enough without dogs being brought into the mix. What do people really think their dogs get out of this experience?
I would guess that most dogs would rather go for a walk in the park rather than being compressed into tight spaces with strangers intent on shopping.
For the farmers operating the stands, I'm certain they'd rather see your hands full holding bags of purchases than leashes trying to keep your pet under control in the crowd.


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Posted by Big Poppa
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 16, 2009 at 5:29 am

LOUSY DEMOCRATS.


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Posted by To Me Too
a resident of Castlewood
on Aug 16, 2009 at 8:44 am

Me Too,

Laws are laws and health codes are heath codes.

You wrote:

"This is just another stupid California law intent on taking away any an all freedoms. Why can't it be up to the farmer's market (as in many states, or the city). That way the people involved can actually make the decision"

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Nothing new and no Government conspiracy to "take away our freedoms".

Would you be comfy going out to a nice dinner and every one having St. Bernard's frothing all over the place?

Or how about letting all the Restaurant chefs bring their dogs to work?

Even seeing little doggies in the grocery store is absurd and against the law. That tends to be an affluent entitlement, above the law mentality.

As far as the LOCALs making the rules and laws issue. Should we also make the laws as to speed limits etc.? You can see from these forums, that would be a never ending fiasco, as all the adults called each other names such finger pointing and general madness during any "deciding" process.

Can you even imagine a "dogs at farmers market" vote on the ballot and all the community input?


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Posted by Don
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Aug 16, 2009 at 8:57 am

Hey me too.,

< Some markets in Portland have dog hours and dog free hours. Some markets in Washington allow dogs the whole time, while others ban them.>

It's a farmers market, not a pet parade. Personally I feel that it is too crowded at times with people and strollers. Why add dogs to the picture, unless it's very important to you to disobey the law.

Where would one draw the line? How about bringing 3" Iguanas and Parakeets?


You mentioned dog hours at the farmers markets in Oregon. That's what Oregon is for and property is cheap for the most part. Great "vibes" but really no jobs!


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Posted by Amy
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 16, 2009 at 8:58 am

(so why can't the community decide?)

Me Too,

We Pleasantonians can't seem to communicate civilly; much less decide anything in a civil manner!

How about a $300,000 special election?


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Posted by Fido
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 16, 2009 at 11:12 am

If you read the state health code (very exciting way to spend a few hours) I think you'll find that the code is based heavily on science. As much as I dislike trial lawyers and liability lawsuits that make idiots wealthy, I have to say that the health code is written to control the spread of disease and contamination of our food supply. Dogs, cats, rats, snakes, parrots, and other critters do not belong in a grocery store, restaurant, or farmer's market.


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Posted by Exactly
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 16, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Exactly Fido...

BUT, Pleasanton folks have that Entitlement Mentality!

Big Poppa Dog..

"Posted by Big Poppa, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, 9 hours ago

LOUSY DEMOCRATS."


How very original and constructive! Geez!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 20, 2009 at 10:44 pm

a...are you still on the r_g? get a grip guy...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...


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