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Rowdy protesters overrun health care meetings

Original post made by Stacey, Amberwood/Wood Meadows, on Aug 5, 2009

From: Web Link

"More than 500 people packed a Napa town hall hosted this week by Rep. Mike Thompson, D-St. Helena, some shouting down panelists by yelling "This is America!" and "What's wrong with profit?""

"On Wednesday, an editorial in the Napa Valley Register - which endorsed Republican Sen. John McCain for president last fall - opined, "The display (at Thompson's town hall Monday) was unwelcome - and UNSUCCESSFUL IF IT WAS MEANT TO MOVE HEALTH CARE REFORM SUPPORTERS TOWARD CONSIDERING THE CONCERNS OF THE CRITICS. Several callers to the Register on Tuesday reported they were repulsed by the aggressive tactics of some members of the crowd.""

Capital letters are my own emphasis. This is the point exactly. There are legitimate concerns and all that is being accomplished is shutting the door on honest discussion.

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Posted by Big Poppa
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 6, 2009 at 3:10 am

So it's been okay for the Demoncrat Party to protest in this fashion for years but when the shoe is on the other foot (Code Pink, Move On, New Black Panther Party to name a few) now it's disruptive and disresptuful. I say it's good and finally the Republican/consertatives are finally fighting back. Sorry if it bothers you Stacey.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Aug 6, 2009 at 7:57 am

Stacey is a registered user.

When you say "in this fashion", can you honestly say that those groups you list were disrupting town hall meetings which give constituents an opportunity to speak with their rep.? If a protest is what is wanted, organize a protest, like the Tea Parties. Shouting and yelling accomplish nothing but the closing of ears and the tuning out of valid concerns.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Aug 6, 2009 at 8:01 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Protests accomplish the same thing as the disruptions occurring at town hall meetings, they grab attention to the issue. After the attention has been focused, some real discussion and soul-searching must take place, but that process is being hindered because the protests are occurring at the very place where such discussion is normally held.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 8:13 am

I just logged on to post the entire article: Web Link
The difference here is that meetings are not being held in one area because the congressman received DEATH THREATS.
They are using effigies and Nazi symbolism.
Please read the whole article. These people are not "fighting back." It is a dangerous tactic and one that chills all public debate regarding health care reform.


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Posted by Sol
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 6, 2009 at 8:47 am

I guess those of us that have REAL question about healthcare can't ask them because a bunch of redneck conservative loud mouths want to make noise at town hall meetings. I sure yelling "socialism" 80 times during a meeting really adds valuable insight to the discussion healthcare.


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Posted by Bobby
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 6, 2009 at 8:51 am

Well I would be careful to just try and write these people off as 'rednecks" or other names as I believe it is much bigger than that. Look at the polls. Obama is now down to 50% approval and congress is down to 26%. People are more than fed up with their leadership and when that supposed leadership says they have not even read a bill that will cost over 1.5 trillion dollars it rubs you the wrong way.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 9:30 am

The topic of this discussion is the people who are disrupting the meetings. They do not represent even all people opposed to the health care reform plan. A radical group is interrupting discussion for everyone. If I were opposed to the health care reform plan, I would still be distancing myself from these whackos. The ends do NOT justify the means.


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Posted by Michael
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2009 at 9:39 am

You people cannot possibly be serious. Have you seen the videos? Most of those people are about 10 years from an old folks home. Radicals? I think not.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 9:45 am

What does age have to do with radicalism?
Radical techniques make anyone a radical.


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Posted by Michael
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2009 at 9:51 am

Stay Cool,

I do not know you but drop the liberal or self righteous agenda and open up your mind by watching the video's. These people are just tax paying folks trying to get their elected officials to listen to them.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 9:58 am

Michael,
No, you don't know


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 10:02 am

Michael,
No, you don't know me. I do not have a liberal or self-righteous agenda. I have watched the videos. I have also read the articles. I also plan to go to the meetings. If these people were just trying to get their elected officials to listen to them, they would speak in turn rather than shouting out, using threats, and preventing the meetings from progressing.


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Posted by Oh boy!
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 6, 2009 at 10:47 am

These folks using these tactics are ensuring, against their own parties wishes, that they will NEVER be in office or hold a majority again!


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Posted by Worried grandma
a resident of West of Foothill
on Aug 6, 2009 at 10:49 am

I've watched the meetings on the news. The protesters won't even let the congressmen speak. When asked, "How many of you have health insurance?", nearly everyone in room raised their hands. It's not free speech to shout people down. I have a grown son and wife who work full time but do not get health insurance. Also a grandbaby with no insurance. Also an ex-husband with a pre-existing condition who was denied coverage when he applied. It's frightening--what will happen if they get really sick or injured? I am covered by Kaiser thru employer, but pay nearly $1400. a month for family plan! I am all for a national plan to cover those who need it, and I happen to feel that health care is a right in a civilized society.


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Posted by Gramps
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 10:59 am

Granny,

I suspect you are stretching it quite a bit here. I have the family plan with Kaiser and only pay $300 a month for my wife and I. Who are you insuring? Uganda? You are for a national plan as long as someone else pays your way.


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Posted by Concerned grandma
a resident of West of Foothill
on Aug 6, 2009 at 11:23 am

My family plan pays for myself, a son, and a daughter. It is no exaggeration. True!


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Posted by concerned grandma
a resident of West of Foothill
on Aug 6, 2009 at 11:26 am

Kaiser family plans cover 3+ members--it can be for 3, it can be for 10. And actually, I pay for my own benefits, not my employer, though it is an employer plan.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 am

Nice comments, Gramps! Concerned grandma tries to illustrate why health care reform is even on the table and you respond with an insult. Where have I seen that before?
I would suggest that while the people in favor of reform take a look at the proposal, those opposed to it to some investigation as to why health care reform has been such an important issue for so long. There are far too many people in this country without access to insurance or good medical care. Insurance costs are outrageous for people without the backing of a company plan. All it takes is a trip to the emergency room to knock some families flat financially. A person should not have to think about whether or not to seek treatment because of the cost. And when they do, and can't afford to pay for it, we all pay for it anyway.
Thank you, Concerned Grandma, for illustrating this point!


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Posted by concerned grandma
a resident of West of Foothill
on Aug 6, 2009 at 11:59 am

Yes, I have strong feelings about getting health care for all because of personal experiences. I am very grateful for my Kaiser insurance, even though it is costing me a lot. My daughter was severely injured as a teenager in an auto accident 6 years ago. Her total medical costs came to nearly $500,000. If I didn't have my insurance, I would have been one of the people filing for bankruptcy. I would have lost my house. I am lucky to have a full-time job w/benefits, even if I do have to pay the costs myself.


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Posted by wow
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 6, 2009 at 12:33 pm

When I was self employed, I paid around 400.00 a month for Kaiser for a fmily of three 10 years ago.

Last yesr, prior to shutting down my business, I paid $1375.00 a moth for Kaiser for our family of three.

Combined with a 7.7% "SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX" off the business GROSS sales, NOT net profit, we couldn't make it.

We shut donw a businees in which we had a profit margain of roughly 15% LESS the SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX of 7.7%!!

So in effect with my wife and I putting in up to 70 hours a week each, our net with a succesful construction business was about $9.50 an hour each!!

Small business can not survive with these conditions.

In my opinion COMPETIOTION in the Halth Care Insurance industry is EXACTLY what we need!






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Posted by wow
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Sorry about the spellin, I have my reading glasses on! Duh!


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Posted by Gina
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 6, 2009 at 1:20 pm

I do not understand these numbers as I only pay 350.00 per month for Kaiser and my deductable is 30 bucks per visit so I must have been luck I guess and this is for the two of us and soon to be three.


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Posted by wow
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 6, 2009 at 1:37 pm

Gina,

Here may be the factors that contribute to the differences in our Kaiser billing:

My wife and I are past 40 and you may be younger. Kaiser uses age banded premium.

Our family has used the service extensively due to heath related issues and Kaiser raises premiums partly based upon usage of services.
Your family may not have used the services as extensively.

We had the plan for over 10 years, you may be newer to the plan.

On that note, we are covered by Cobra due to a recent employment stint and layoff. Due to the stimulus bill, (American reinvestment act) my unemployment can be extended another 3 months when it runs out in September and we have been extremely grateful for another reinvestment act benefit of a 65% reduction in Cobra premiums for up to 9 months.


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Posted by wow
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 6, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Gina,

Also, you are currently TWO and I assume this is partly covered by an employer? Kaiser has also included in the last couple of years, several higher deductable plans and that could be a factor?


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Posted by wow
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 6, 2009 at 1:43 pm


I also want to add that if I don't find employment prior to the Cobra Premium reduction ending, we will NOT be able to afford the Cobra Premium of $1240.00 and that is through the previous government employer group plan.

We would be denied insurance due to pre existing coverage and would not qualify for any assistance due to previous income.

I am not exactly sure how we would get medical services that ere necessary for survival in our case?


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Posted by Gina
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 6, 2009 at 2:45 pm

yes there are only two of us now but soon to be 3. We both work but our employer does not offer healthcare so we went to kaiser on our own and got the coverage and deductable is 30 dollars per visit.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2009 at 4:22 pm

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