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Questions re: The Birth Certificate Question
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by unclehomerr.., Downtown,
on Aug 3, 2009
Posted by food for thought, a resident of another community, 2 hours ago
Have you seen the Birth document posted on www.libertythink.com (libertythink.com) now dealing with Obama? Check it out!
Posted by Juan, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, 2 hours ago
So now why will the state of Hawaii not release his birth certificate?
Posted by unclehomerr.., a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, 13 minutes ago
Juan, it's a violation of medical records privacy laws. The State of Hawaii can't release it without the permission of the parents or legal age child; Obama himself in this case.
He's reportedly hired a law firm to enforce the sealing of all birth, travel, tax, education, employment and credit records. It's estimated he's spent over a million dollars of his personal or campaign funds to accomplish this. Some people think there is no 'birth certificate' in Hawaii.. there's only a 'Certification of Live Birth' routinely issued when a person is [or claims to be] born in a taxi, or at home, and not in a hospital or under the direct care of a physician. These were routinely issued to people who gave birth while travelling [Kenya, perhaps] or on a cruise ship or airplane.
A 'Certificate of Live Birth' or 'Certification of Live Birth' which was widely rumored to be counterfeit, was posted to.. and then removed from his website. That's basically what stirred up the controversy.
The Constitution of the United States says.. [paraphrasing.. I don't have my copy in front of me] "Only a natural born citizen of the United States is eligible to be President." The confusion over his place of birth directly affects the 'natural born' requirement. Many suspect he was not eligible to run in the first place. The fact that he is a Harvard educated attorney complicates all this. If he claimed to satisfy the constitutional requirements knowing that he didn't.. wouldn't he be guilty of perpetrating fraud on the electorate? \
A simple release of the information would answer the question. The Democrats challenged John McCain's eligibility because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father, a U.S. Naval Officer was serving there at the time of his birth. He was certified as eligible to run.. all anyone asks is Obama prove 'his' eligibility...
[meaningful enough, Tango??]
Posted by Don
a resident of Danville
on Aug 4, 2009 at 9:38 am
The Presidents birth certificate was legally vetted AND was posted on his web site. Neither Obama OR the Official Republican Party are willing to play into this insulting insanity and longer!
Get Over It because the topic is making you folks appear to be mentally unstable! YOUR cause is HURTING the Republican Party!
Tuesday, Aug. 4, 2009 10:01 EDT
Source for forged Kenyan birth certificate found?
Over the weekend, Birther-in-Chief Orly Taitz released what could have been a shocking discovery: A document that was purportedly a certified copy of President Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, showing that he'd been born in Mombasa, Kenya, not in Hawaii.
It took just 48 hours to definitively expose Taitz's find as a forgery, and for the document that it was apparently based off of to surface. It's a certified copy of a birth certificate for one David Jeffrey Bomford, born in South Australia in April 1959.
Images of both certificates can be viewed below -- for comparison purposes, you can see a larger, more legible version of the forgery here. The similarities are striking; they bear the same seal, have the same document numbers at the top left and top right corners and have identical book and page numbers. The names of the registrar and district registrar listed on each document are remarkably similar as well -- the source has the registrar listed as "G.F. Lavender," while the forgery names him as "E.F. Lavender." In the original, the district registrar is "J.H. Miller;" in the forgery, it's "M.H. Miller," and the M is slightly askew, overlapping the period.
The source material was indisputably published prior to the revelation of the forgery; it was available on a family genealogy Web site and popped up in Google image searches. (The Web site is no longer accessible, apparently due to the sudden increase in traffic prompted by the exposure.)
Indeed, that's how it was discovered, by a California man named Steve Eddy, who posted his find to the forum at Politijab.com.
"I was just Google image searching and ... happened to come across a thumbnail. I spotted one, said, 'Oh! That looks similar,' pulled it up, and there it was," Eddy told Salon.
He'd been involved in debunking the Birthers before, on his own blog, but had eventually become tired of it, thinking there was nothing new to the story. The appearance of the forgery rekindled his interest, and inspired him to go looking for the basis of it.
"Normally I don't hang around political places much," he says. "Years and years ago I started a political channel on IRC, but that kind of burned out and I've been hanging out on the audio boards" -- he runs a high-end home audio business -- "and most recently they had a section there for people to talk about non-audio things, and there was this one nut there that kept posting, 'Oh, yeah, Obama's birth certificate's fake.' .... That got me hooked on that whole thing for about a year."
Now, even some of the most dedicated Birther supporters, like World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah, are pulling back and proclaiming their skepticism about the forgery. Farah, whose site published the forged certificate and gave it the boost into the Web at large, wrote in a column Tuesday, "if I had to bet on its authenticity, I would wager it is not." The column was, however, also full of distortions about the truth regarding the certification of live birth from Hawaii that Obama released during the campaign, and didn't acknowledge Eddy's find, which Farah might not have been aware of by the time his article was published.
The question of who produced the forgery, and why, is still open. It could be, as some debunkers have suggested, that someone was pulling a hoax on Taitz in order to further discredit the Birthers. It could also have been a true believer, or, of course, someone who just wanted money for it -- there have been attempts to sell a purported Kenyan birth certificate for Obama on eBay before this.
The apparent source document for the forgery.
The forged Kenyan birth certificate.
Update: Just after publishing this post, I was alerted to a story in the Australian media, which has tracked down David Jeffrey Bomford, the man whose birth certificate was used in the forgery. He seems amused by the whole thing.
"That is ridiculous. Little old person in Adelaide, the President of the United States. I don't know whether to laugh about it or not, be worried about it," Bomford said. "It is interesting, someone from here being involved in a conspiracy -- that is so funny .... It's definitely a copy of my certificate. It's so laughable it's ridiculous."
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