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IT layoffs continue, BUT the Tech companies are replacing laid off workers with FOREIGN workers...

Original post made by Jon, Danbury Park, on Jun 28, 2009

While many IT workers have been out of work for over 5 years and major layoffs are escalating, Tech companies are hiring FOREGN workers.

Computer science enrolment is down 50% because students know these firms can and will hire FOREGN workers, as they struggle for profit.

On a side note, WHITE MALES are the lowest college population these days as females and FOREGNERS are by far the highest enrolment persentage.

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Posted by Elton
a resident of Del Prado
on Jun 28, 2009 at 11:03 pm

Many American high-tech professionals with a MSEE have been unemployed for over 5 years do to the discrimination by these companies IBM, AT&T, Intel, Motorola, Qualcomm, Lockheed-Martin, ITT, Thales, L3-Communications to name just a few. layoffs continue while hiring of H-1 Visa foreigners continues.

I also notice that when I go to any Kaiser, the majority of the doctors are from a certain country. These docs can get their credentials in "another" county for much cheaper than a US education and the credential are excepted here in the US. Again the medical field favors less expensive foreigners.

Not to mention all of the outsourcing thats increasing at a rapid pace.

Our system is broken!


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Posted by *YAWN*
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 29, 2009 at 9:20 am

It's survival of the fittest...in this case, it's survival of the cheapest. That's how companies stay afloat in this economy. It's not the system that is broken but the competitive of our workforce. The rest of the world is catching up and that's the truth. The sooner you get your head out of the sand, the sooner you MSEE type can find a job.


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Posted by AT&T Employee
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 29, 2009 at 7:26 pm

Elton is correct. There are more "red" contractor badges walking the halls of the AT&T San Ramon facility than there are blue employee badges.

IT jobs with AT&T are becoming scarce. Most are being outsourced to Accenture, Amdocs and IBM -- all of whom resource heavily out of India.

The facility at 2600 Camino Ramon is more than half empty. Rumors swirl the building is no longer owned by AT&T, yet Corporate Real Estate will not confirm nor deny.

Say goodbye to American Telephone & Telegraph. Get used to phone service provided the All Tough & Texan way -- IT solutions and Call Center support by route of India and the Philippines.


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Posted by mary
a resident of Del Prado
on Jun 30, 2009 at 1:20 am

I finally put my foot down last week. While talking with customer service (off in some other far away country) I asked to speak with someone who I could actually understand. It was simply too tedious to continue and doggone it, I should be able to speak English and get decent service.

Regards these visas...our private industries are selling us out...right out the door. Not an ounce of protectionism going on in our country. Might be time to consider it, though, even if only to a small degree. Most other countries do.

How about an even playing field?


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Posted by Proud American
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 6:54 am

I wish you xenophobes would learn to spell before posting an article summary with so many misspelled words in it. Isn't English your beloved language? This could be one of the reasons America is doomed - our educational system fails too many students.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 7:53 am

I certainly understand the frustration of American workers. But, stop and think for a moment about what Pleasanton has to do with the problem. A few of my friends in Ruby Hills pound their chest at their IPO $$$, and in the same breath are the ones who hire cheap labor to keep Wall Street happy. Then in another case I see kids who play video games, text, watch TV eat potato chips and drink soda all day every day. They barely touch their books much less do math and science. Students in foreign countries relish education, and as a result get the jobs. It's one thing to complain, but we are part of the problem.


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Posted by Concerned... but not abou this
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 8:36 am

Elton - I work for Kaiser and I do know SOME (NOT the MAJORITY) of the docs are from other countries, HOWEVER, Kaiser doesn't just accept their diploma or credentials. The physicians from foreign medical schools have to go through testing, receive an ECFMG to even be considered to work, then apply for work. Any idea how long it takes to get a physician position within Kaiser? They are not paid any less than an American doctor. Please don't ASSUME.

Our system is broken as long as American companies are allowed to hire those with visas instead of our own without penalty. Don't blame the immigrant or "foreign worker" for wanting an opportunity at a better life. If you were in their position, you'd do the same. Go after the companies, and more so - the organizations who's job it is to outsource our jobs. Look around, there's plenty of those in our own backyard.

Regardless, America is far from being "doomed".


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Posted by lifelong buddy
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jun 30, 2009 at 8:44 am

So many kids are wasting away their time playing video games, texting, 'hanging out', etc. etc. Their so called "friends" are their lifeblood - nothing else matters. Jon -- Computer Science enrollment is not down because students "know these firms will hire foreign workers." Come on.....they are not enrolling in science classes because they are not interested and they are too lazy.

Look around next time you go to the public library, a science or art museum. You will see many Asian, Indian families, and others together enjoying these public places. And they are the ones checking out BOOKS at the library, not DVDs. Whether they are US citizens or not, they place a high value on education. People come here from all over the world for the educational opportunities. The system may be flawed, but the opportunities are here. Many parents just do not place enough emphasis on the value of education. Parents - it's not just the schools. YOU need to get involved with your kids.


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Posted by AT&T Employee
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 9:13 am

Concerned.....but....

Great thoughts! I agree. We should apply stiff penalties to Companies who hire those with Visas.

I suggest they start with Amdocs, Accenture and IBM -- especially their consulting and/or staff augmentation arms.


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Posted by Don
a resident of Danbury Park
on Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Posted by resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 4 hours ago

I certainly understand the frustration of American workers. But, stop and think for a moment about what Pleasanton has to do with the problem. A few of my friends in Ruby Hills pound their chest at their IPO $$$, and in the same breath are the ones who hire cheap labor to keep Wall Street happy. Then in another case I see kids who play video games, text, watch TV eat potato chips and drink soda all day every day. They barely touch their books much less do math and science. Students in foreign countries relish education, and as a result get the jobs. It's one thing to complain, but we are part of the problem.
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Resident,

I agree with your assessment here. Many affluent communities produce children who are spoiled and have an entitlement mentality. Also, studies have showed that with the heavy influence of the pop culture, ie: RAP culture, White Males are flunking out of school and not attending college in near the numbers of the past. Females and foreigners are taking studies way more seriously it appears.

Just look at and listen to the pre tee and teenagers around town.
They dress like thugs and talk like thugs. My daughter is dating age and she says that almost all of her girlfriends have cars and the boys don't. Almost all of her girl fiends have jobs and the boys don't. Almost all of her girlfriends pay for everything on dates, boys don't. She is well socialized both in this as well as other communities and she says this is the norm.

I have heard even the pre teen boys calling the girls Bit$%es and Ho's and talking like little black thugs. It's in and that the teen scene!


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Posted by Concerned.... but not about this
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 1:13 pm

To Don:

"I have heard even the pre teen boys calling the girls Bit$%es and Ho's and talking like little black thugs." Choose your words wisely!!! While I get your point of lack of respect, etc., please do not insinuate that just because these white kids are talking & acting ignorant, they're imitating "black" thugs. Please don't go there. You started out correct in just talking about "Thugs"; Thugs come in all ethnicities (including white), not just one.


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Posted by Wife of an EE
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 2:08 pm

My DH is an EE and works for a company that is a succeeding tech company.

He is literally the only white person (not just male) as far as the eye can see of cubicles and offices at his company. He enjoys his coworkers, but it is difficult managing all the different languages and cultures at times.

I grew up in the literal heart of Silicon Valley and saw the massive influx of all Asians as I went to school. I had many friends that were first gen American, but a lot of kids were here as immigrants also. My friend Amy was a boat person who was rescued off the coast of Australia and came here with her family. She struggled in school, with the language but eventually became a business owner! I'm so proud of all the "Amy's" out there from the first to the most recent immigrant to America.

I applaud those that come here to strive for the same things we all want, but what I don't understand is a government that is giving away what we have to those outside of our country. Those who are here need to be employed and then what is left should be opened to the best and the brightest.

In Germany for instance, they have limits on how many foreigners are allowed per company. Even their company sports teams limit how many Americans can be on a team (one)!

Most that come here seeking a better way of life, do so because they work their tail to get here.

My husband is one of those seemingly "rare" white males, according to posters here, that is highly educated, very driven, and very dedicated to his profession.

I wish we had more work friends that we had in common with socially but, he also really likes his friends from work of all nationalities since they have the same character traits as himself. That's what counts.

The great thing about America is that it allows everyone to succeed. The only reason a "white" person may not do as well is his own personal work ethic. The jobs are there - only the face of the American worker is changing. There is nothing wrong with that - just the speed and who is being left behind by the government, not those who don't earn it.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jun 30, 2009 at 2:24 pm

This country is successful because of the labor of people from foreign countries. We are after all a country of "immigrants". Thousand of American business have made their fortune upon the back of foreign labor. It's my impression that the foreign employees are equally qualified and they are also hard workers.

I am very proud of immigrants making America a great country. Lets stay that way!


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 2:59 pm

Don: "Many affluent communities produce children who are spoiled and have an entitlement mentality" + "black thug"

Don may have used one word out of context. But the concept of what he is saying is correct. Our children are spoiled and in turn are spoiling the future of America. I embrace the concept of a global community, but I only hope the rich Pleasanton residence understand that their over the top nurturing of their children may have a heavy associated cost.


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Posted by Don
a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Jun 30, 2009 at 4:28 pm

Resaident..

The only reason I used the word BLACK is because it Hip Hop and the RAP culture I refer to is a BLACK deal. Watch the Grammies and look who is on MTV!

BTW- I have NO problem with BLACK people. MOST BLACK parents I know are equally upset about the BLACK rap "culture" as well. Listen to the lyrics! What a shame our young kids are embracing this.

The rappers just happen to be predominantly BLACK!


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Posted by working again
a resident of Birdland
on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:23 pm

In 2002 1/3 of my company was laid off. I was one of them but kept on as a contractor to finish the infrastructure for which I wrote a business plan, had it approved and then proceeded coordinating the various depts to tier the product in terms of features (and costs). I also trained 2 H-1 visas to take over and how the new features would fit. I was the last US citizen to leave the engineering dept. There were no green cards left either. In theory, H1 visas are to be hired if they can't find the skill set in the US workforce. I had the skills and would have even taken a cut in pay to stay employed. My manager at that firm was also H1 visa. He told me he would have to go home and take a $22K pay cut. I told him I had no other home to return to. It took 6 months - 4 on paper - to land my next job and it was a 22K pay cut.

I have encouraged my children to stay away from software; encouraged them to pursue careers needing face-to-face or areas which will benefit their original country. I have cancelled a credit card because it is outsourced and the people have no idea about California and its laws. Now my family has green cards and citizens, but I still think jobs should go there first.


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Posted by Don
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:34 pm

Don't stress over it - people understood you, even if the p-c police didn't want to.

My sister in law married a black guy (she's not black and wasn't raised anywhere near a city or an area that was a more predominant black area). As we have chided her, in front of her husband, she is more "black" than her husband now because of how she has adapted her behavior. It was silly how she behaved. She is finally acting like herself again. I won't go into details, but we know it when we see it.

It just is different cultural behavior. In fact, in the black community, black kids that want to do well in school are referred to as "acting white". It goes both ways.


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Posted by No worries
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:35 pm

Sorry Don,

I meant to write to Don, not refer to myself as Don...my error.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 1, 2009 at 4:46 pm

mary...I have the impression that you little world is caving in. Is English the only language that you speak and understand? sad...


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 1, 2009 at 4:47 pm

Correction: your


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Posted by Oh, Cholo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2009 at 5:09 pm

Cholo, how lame can you be?

Mary called an American based company. She should be able to expect to speak with a customer service rep that she can understand.

In your scary and dark place of a brain, you believe Mary needs to speak another language? Isn't the dialect of the foreigner the issue and their inability to speak English correctly? Shouldn't they need to be more polished or is it always the American that is wrong regardless of issue. Your a caucasian hater.

Your pathetic expression of "logic" (oxymoron here...heavy emphasis on the moron in respect to you), you blame Mary for what? Got it!

Thanks, Cholo, once again for your demonstration of a complete lack of morality and values.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 1, 2009 at 11:29 pm

Not so fast, I was referring to the Lower Case mary. There are 2 - mary & Mary!

I know mary and she is VERY HARD OF HEARING, stubborn, and will not even consider getting a hearing aid.

I have no comments about Capital Mary.

Correction: Please change Your to You're...thank you very much Cholo!

You're welcome. Incidentally, where do your born...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

I really do believe that it's sad when "educated" citizens only speak and understand one language....very very sad indeed!


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