Obama to tax healthcare benefits as income State, National, International, posted by Carole, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Although he scoffed at McCain during the campaign for considering taxing individuals with healthcare benefits as real income Barack Obama today announced he will not delay and will not tolerate delay for universal healthcare. He says he cannot fund all of it he will tax wealthy americans insurance benefits in order to fund the program to give benefits to those who do not work or whose work does not provide those benefits.
Posted by Laura, a resident of Dublin, on Jun 11, 2009 at 4:16 pm
More taxes please,
I agree but it does not go far enough. Anyway who has insurance should be taxed regardless of their income and I mean everyone. I would also like to see everyone regardless of income level should be taxed at an 80% rate and anyone who is not working should be taken out to work along the sides of the road picking up trash if nothing else and this would help with the overweight issue in the country as well.
Posted by AVHS Dad, a resident of the Stoneridge Park neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 4:18 pm AVHS Dad is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Is it "taxing the wealthy" if he's phasing out the deduction?
Quote: "That's why I've proposed that we scale back how much the highest-income Americans can deduct on their taxes back to the rate that existed under the Reagan years and we can use that money to help finance health care," he said."
Posted by More taxes please, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 4:21 pm
We need to increase taxes much further. Reagan lowered the tax rates and we need to raise as high as we can. We should increase the tax on seniors and social security people as well as they do not need all of that money that they worked for and let's give it the the illegals, drug abusers, child molesters and everyone who will not work.
Posted by Nancy, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are,
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan 40th president of US (1911 - 2004) We sure do miss you Ronnie...God help us all. Now we have Czars that Obama has appointed and these Czars have the power to bypass the Congress and make very drastic decisions and directives. We have more Czars than the Romanoffs and look how that ended up! What has happened to our democracy based on a system of check and balances. Our Constitution is being totally disregarded and "anything goes". Gangster Government is in full swing, just look at the GM tragedy, instead of General Motors it is now Government Motors! What's next? "Hope and Change" so many fools fell for this hollow promise, now all of America will suffer. Big question...Is Michelle Obama now proud of her country?
Posted by Jill, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Obama is becoming drunk with power and it is not surprising that he embraces Hugo. Now I'm glad I have the villa in Calabria, I will not allow the grandchildren to be raised isn a socialist state. Go ahead and tax the wealthy, and they will put more money abroad until you and the Taxicrats are gone, go ahead and do a backdoor tax on the middle class and they will send you back to Chicago in the next election.
Posted by Nancy, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I think Jimmy Carter was humble and also a decent person with a defined faith in God. Obama is arrogant and trying to pretend he's Islamic, Christian, Muslin, Jewish, and even a voodoo follower...whatever fits the destination his latest trip at taxpayer expense has taken him to. What about Joe Biden...he's so dumb it's pitiful. What a freak show we have "leading" us, one couldn't sell this as a book or movie idea, no one would have thought it believable.
Posted by Be careful what you wish for!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Lessons learned from people of history:
Why did the Israelites desire and ultimately demand a king when they had God?
The Israelites had trouble relating only to the Almighty God whom they couldn't see or hear. They wanted to be ruled by a person whom they could see and hear and take their needs to.
Well, we know how that worked out, or didn't in their case.
Now here in the US we have the ability to follow Judeo-Christian values, even God if we so choose, that has already given us freedom beyond what any people have enjoyed more in history. And all we had to do was keep working it out with God. What did we "wish" for collectively in November '08 instead? We wished for someone to take care of us - the government - by looking to just another fallible man.
Now, taking a lesson from the Israelites, how do you think this is going to "work out" for us?
2012 CANNOT come fast enough for national redemption!
Posted by Homeowner, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Rather than pontificating and demeaning with biased opinions and no supporting facts, the posters above might try reading the actual article that was linked.
It does NOT say universal healthcare is THE proposal and it does NOT say any new healthcare program will be paid for by taxing the insurance benefits of wealthy americans (it talks about deduction changes on wealthy americans).
I in no way agree with everything any politician does (and personally not a fan of decreasing my deductions!), but the vitriol with which you write prevents any value in your position and message from being received and understood. I suppose this drive-by posting is amusing for you, and apparently, the best you can muster to state your case. If that's not the case, then try a coherent post addressing a few facts and providing new ideas on how to solve our many, many challenges.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 11, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Hopefully people will wake up and stop acting like Obama is a good guy. I voted for him and would probably do it again if Palin is on the GOP ticket. But in 2010, we have the chance to vote everything Republican and send a strong message, just like we did in 1994 - when the Clintons were trying to do just this: universal healthcare.
Posted by Dave, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 8:48 am
I love how the "TownSquare Forum" is being used by every bitter, anti-Obama, right-wing nut in Pleasanton. Sorry Republicans, I forgot how great our health care system is working right now. Give me a break! Stop the Rush Limbaugh right-wing noise machine! Healthcare for all!
Posted by Fred, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 8:54 am
Like most Republicans, you seem to live in the past. Maybe you should build a time machine and take it back to 1980, so you can live in your Reagan Era fantasy land. That way you can spend all day kissing the butt of the most overrated president of all time.
Posted by Please be civil - thank you..., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 9:23 am
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Posted by Billie, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 9:38 am
Too funny Fred!
Nancy obviously didn't read the actual article since what Obama was quoted as saying was:
"That's why I've proposed that we scale back how much the highest-income Americans can deduct on their taxes back to the rate that existed under the Reagan years and we can use that money to help finance health care,".
Nancy should be jumping up and down since it would be just like taxes under her idol.
Homeowner & Dave,
You are so right on with your comments! The recent proliferation of anti-Obama posters have been blasting this forum with their brand of hate and mis-information. They use code words like socialism, muslim, voodoo to hide what is really ethnic and religious predjudice.
There wasn't this kind of vitriol while Bush was eliminating the middle class, running this country into deficit by trillions of dollars, and pushing us into a war of choice - in the wrong country. But then, Bush is a good old . . . white . . . politician.
Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 10:36 am Parent of Two is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Uh, Billie, while I agree that the anti-Obama stuff is a little overboard, you should get your facts straight.
Obama is RAISING the deficit. So, if you excoriate Bush for being an economically inept president (and he was), you should recognize that Obama is just as bad, at least so far.
There is NOTHING wrong with healthcare these days. Obama is posturing for the poor and the disadvantaged (his voter base). I have a good job and good insurance. If people would actually WORK for a living, they could get insurance. Instead, there is a subculture of government dependence that the Democrats are trying to perpetuate (and sustain their political power).
As long as the Dems keep GIVING stuff to lazy and nonworking people, they'll keep getting elected by those same people. And it will keep going on and on. A cycle of government welfare.
Posted by concerned, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Health care is available to EVERYONE!! By law the ER HAS to treat anyone that comes in, regardless of their ability to pay. I know this, I had to have an emergency appendectomy in this county while I was uninsured. And you know what? The care at Highland hospital was just as good as it is at Valley Care, with insurance. So the argument that not everyone has access to health care is a lie. A doctor's office doesn't turn away cash only patients. I've paid out of pocket for care.
Is health care cheap? No. Would I like it to be less expensive? Sure would. Are their ways to make it less expensive? Oh yeah. Do they involve having people pay for other people's care? Nope.
Idea #1- Lower the exclusion for health care from 7.5% to 2.5 or 3%. That would help EVERYONE.
Idea #2- Let people pick a la carte style the benefits they want. States mandate that insurance companies cover all kinds of treatments that many people will never use, nor do they want, yet they still have to pay for them. Allow companies to give the subscriber the option to choose maternity coverage, chiropractic coverage, alcohol/drug rehab coverage, smoking cessation coverage, etc. The list goes on and on. If I could eliminate those coverages, my insurance premium would go down because the cost to my insurance company would drop.
The answer to every problem can't be tax the rich. You could confiscate ALL taxable income over $75,000 and NOT be able to cover all the programs of the federal government. The rich can't pay for everything, nor should they. By the way, there is no talk about only taxing health benefits for incomes over a certain lever, the talk is taxing all health benefits. Guess what? When that happens everyone will be paying the bill. If the companies are force to pay the bill, either people will be layed off or people will lose coverage. Then who do they turn to? The government.
Last point. Haven't we been "testing" this program already? Any veterans out there? How is VA care? I've heard it's pretty bad. How about MediCare and MediCal? Both are about to go bankrupt. Not a good track record. They are always the first health care "company" to limit treatment options. Who are paying for those programs? Every single working person in the country, not just the "rich".
Posted by Johnny, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Do not fool yourselves into thinking only the rich will pay for this out of taxing their healthcare. If you are a company what will not be your motivation to offer healthcare if the government is going to offer it for free? No incentive so at the end of the day everyone will be on the government payroll. Anybody look at the price of gas lately? Yes, going up and nobody is screaming about it like last summer now that Obama is president. I wonder if the high prices of fuel will help generate sales for Government Motors new little toy cars? I bet it will ............think about it
Posted by Liberty for one and all, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I would like one person in this forum to tell me ONE government run program that is working beautifully, efficiently and isn't strapped for cash right now? I only need ONE example and then I will support the health care plan to the government.
Let's just assume the dems get their dream of healthcare come true. What happens when the economy tanks again? Who decides who gets medical treatment over another when we're low on cash? If it can happen once it isn't worth giving up our current system.
If you want to decrease healthcare costs, reduce law suits that are unnecessarily increasing doctors rates to cover their liabilities. It's a round robin game and it can stop and improve everything. Why won't the dems do this? It is SO simple to solve. They are so arrogant to think they can come up with a better plan than doctors and patients.
Posted by Me Too, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 4:36 pm
"If that's not the case, then try a coherent post addressing a few facts and providing new ideas on how to solve our many, many challenges."
Homeowner - an anonymous message board is not really the best place for actual facts and discussions. People are here to vent and its an amusing past time, but if you continue to look here for a substantiated logical argument, you may be disappointed.
Posted by Johnny, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Well the two current wars are not going so well either. Obama is going to raise the troop level to 125,000 in Afganistan and Iraq has its flare ups but as soon as we pull out our troops and we told them when it will go up in flames as well. Let's not forget North Korea as Obama is going to make a mess of that one as well. Unless of course we run out of money to buy bullets.
Posted by Reagan, a member of the Mohr Elementary School community, on Jun 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Reagan made a mess. Why didn't he stand up to terrorists in the middle east? First sign of trouble, and he turned table and ran. He cut taxes and raised spending. Caused the recession of 1990. Both Bush's caused bad recessions.
Let's hope Obama can sort out this mess. With Reagan and two Bushes to sort out, that's a lot of sorting.
The government needs to come in, look at the problem, and take care of it. If it weren't for Obama's social safety net, there would be rioting in the streets. Thankfully, he has rescued both businesses and individuals. People's mortgages have been renegotiated and auto worker's jobs have been saved. There is still much work to be done, and he is doing a great job. The economy seems to be leveling off, housing is showing improvement. People are turning more optimistic.
Still people want to tear him down. They all have their reasons. Certain people just want to hate him for what he is, but that is not all people.
Things are looking better in America. People's outlook is improving. Let's all work together for a better future for our children and grand children.
Posted by Medicare, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Jun 13, 2009 at 3:15 pm
@ "More taxes please"
Medicare and Social Security recipients didn't work for that money. It is a government give away, plain and simple. There is no such thing as a "lock box". Social security and medicare taxes are spent as fast as they are collected, and on whatever program congress sees fit. Getting Medicare and Social Security under control is the only way we have a chance at balancing the budget. It 2007, they were 38% of the entire federal budget, and climbing. Thank God Obama is at least making an effort at controlling it, rather than some pandering, incompetent Republican.