Posted by Donna, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 14, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I can see how that's fun for kids, but I can also see how it isn't the best choice of activity for adults to offer children. I mean, why not have gambling tables in elementary school for kids to practice math skills? Because we don't want to encourage gambling, it's a great way to lose money.
Posted by resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2009 at 8:17 am
Granny -- why are you being an enabler? Unless they are leaching off of you via pointing a gun at your head it is YOUR fault for letting them do it. Kick the losers out, roll up the welcome mat, quit making it easy for them to be useless slackers.
Posted by AF, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 15, 2009 at 8:29 am
Wow, that is a shame. It really was one of the highlights of grad night.
Granny & Donna, you are missing the point of what grad night is... it's about a SAFE and SOBER grad night. They're not just horrible adults that are teaching kids to gamble, they are creating a fun, safe environment for people that are about to make the transition from child to adult, whether they are ready for it or not. I think that gambling for prizes is the least of our worries when it comes to these kids... how about potentially saving lives because they are keeping kids from drinking and driving???
Posted by John, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2009 at 8:37 am
I think some of you look to far into things. The young adults are graduating and want to do adult things and feel like adults for a night. You know how many grad nights there have been with casino sections? Lots. I wonder how many of those students are now broke and living on the streets because they can't get out of a casino? Give me a break. Everyone is so worried about what everyone else thinks that if a negative comment is made about something we just take it away. You should all move to Utah or start a compound. Quit being a sissy and let the young adults play!
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 15, 2009 at 11:15 am
It's more appropriate to educate children about spending money wisely rather than how to be irresponsible and wasteful. How people spend their money is one of the major causes of marital conflict and divorce in the US. Grow up parents and accept your responsibility to raise responsible American citizens.
If you can't be responsible parents, then go back to where you came from PRONTO!!!
Posted by Vinnie, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I've dealt cards at the Blackjack table for several years. Believe me, it's not really gambling. We go out of our way to make it fun for the kids, to the point of sneaking a peek at the next card and coaching whether or not to take the hit. It's about keeping the kids engaged and having a good time in a controlled but not overbearing environment.
Posted by Joe Blow, a resident of the Ruby Hill neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I heard some 2-bit lawyer is threatening a gambling claim which is a bunch of nonesense. Casino night is pure game playing, not gambling, since all the "seed money" is given out to the players. You play the games and win prizes no different, in concept, to bean toss. As far as I'm concerned, the parents should take on this stupid lawyer.
Posted by S. Cremecheese, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Vinnie and Joe Blow are absolutely right, it's a game with prizes. So all the fundraisers that have Casino nights, where people do actually pay money to play, shall we call Elliot Ness to bust up their games? He can start in Livermore, where I read that they will have a casino night at their safe and sober grad night.
Posted by Mo Man, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Joe Blow and Vinnie are right on!!! Granny and Cholo climb out from under your rock and understand the facts before chiming in. It is all about a SAFE and SOBER graduation night and they aren't gambling with real money. One final point is that 95% of the graduates are 18 years old anyway. Gambling is legal at 18 folks!!!!! It is a shame that a few self righteous parents and a jack**s lawyer are ruining it for these fine young kids. Congratulations AVHS Class of 2009!!! Bring your own deck of cards and play anyway, I'll bring the prizes.
Posted by Parent of 2009, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 12:26 am
These after-graduation parties started as a simple alternative to the new graduates finding destructive ways to celebrate this milestone into adulthood (or college-hood).
Now everyone seems to think it's a right to have a high-end party with the goal to thoroughly entertain a group of kids who have pretty much been entertained their entire lives. It's getting to the point where I wonder what can be done at this party that they haven't already experienced?
And why does each year have to be the same? Or why can't this year's party be scaled down like the rest of our lifestyles in this economy?
If it was up to me, I would scale down several of these outrageously-priced gatherings and teach our kids about giving to those less fortunate. Perhaps the excess could go towards providing basic necessities to people who need those items to survive rather than another ipod or fancy electronic to a kid who probably already owns the same thing or something better.
I'm counter to the culture in this town. I simply think it's ridiculous to try to provide a night-to-remember to this type of population.
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 6:07 am
*Clapping For Parent of 2009*
I'm thrilled to see there ARE still Parents in Pleasanton who actually think and act as a parent! You continue being "counter to the culture in this town." You might actually bring "retro" parenting back!
Posted by S. Cremecheese, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 6:27 am
A few thoughts....
Minnie---it's an exaggeration to illustrate going overboard with an action, ie killing the fly with an elephant gun. You obviously disagree, but share your view, please, hold the name calling.
Parent of 2009--also, you have your opinion, appreciate your side of this. But I would respectfully point out that this IS a night to remember, this is their graduation from high school. It is something to celebrate. I know many of these kids. They work hard at school, they volunteer, they have jobs, and so on. Let's not lump them all into a spoiled "population".
Posted by Class of 2009, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 7:16 am
I don't disagree with having a group parent/school-sponsored celebration for the new graduates that night. I just don't feel the need to make it an over-the-top, once-in-a-lifetime experience.
The celebration should be about spending time with friends, being out late without parents worrying, having fun activities with fun prizes.
I'm not saying the population is spoiled, just in possession of many things and experiences. As parents, we have provided those memories and material items to our children. I just feel bad that year after year, committees of parents try so hard and put in so many hours on getting donations. It's going to get harder and harder to do that with businesses not being able to help out as much as in the past.
Posted by John, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 11:31 am
Shut up..... That statement was the worst one you have made yet... How do you know how the parents are teaching their kids about money? Because they want a casino night? Your pathetic. By the way why don't you go back to where your from? I was born and raised in Pleasanton.... Dumba**!
My son is 16 and has had a bank account from 12 years old. All the money he makes goes into that account. Every time he gets money he donates 10% to a non profit of his choice, 20% for spending money and 70% into his account. And yes on grad night I will let him go to a casino party if they have one.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 16, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I sure hope that you encourage your son to join the military to help out with the war effort. That way, he can have a bank account and also do something noble for his country. Or, do you prefer that the risk be placed on the shoulders of the sons and daughters of poor families? Tell the truth!
Please don't violate your son's right to privacy with your big mouth and advertise in public how he manages his money. Off with you...
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm
I know. However, since John is Teaching his son something about $$$, why not strongly encourage his son to serve our great country. That way, he could also brag about how proud he is of his sons patriotism and supporting our Constitution. I think that John would rather the children of poor families do the nobel dying so that he can have free speech and prance around with an entitled chip on his shoulder.
But wait, there's more. Illegals could serve as a condition of citizenship! How cool!
There are lots of right wingers in this country who want the sons and daughters of poor families to die and then they prance around like goose stepping goons crying when somebody asks them to chip in for the parcel tax. hahahahahahahahha....John's son = coward.
Posted by Military is great, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Military service is sometimes the first employment option for many people, not the last resort.
We are a retired military family. There are great benefits serving our country that many people in the general work force do not enjoy: free health insurance, low-cost dental and life insurance, access to commissary shopping at 30% off the local grocer, a guaranteed paycheck twice a month, a clear ladder for advancement in rank, pay, and responsibility. If you and your family can make the 20 year sacrifices of moving around, being separated, and the uncertainties that do exist, you'll have a monthly check for the rest of your life and access to health care for the rest of your life.
I bet alot of folks would like those benefits right now.
Don't knock the military. It's a great opportunity whether you are a 17 year old right out of high school or a college graduate with a bachelor's degree or an advanced degree. Our country needs all these selfless people to keep your freedoms.
Posted by S. Cremecheese, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2009 at 11:03 pm
AV 2009---I hear you, the electronics and all are a bit much, I agree with you there. I don't even know that the kids care that much about that, from my observation of the end of the night raffles. But I do still think that the games are something that are a highlight, and the prizes are small, $15-20, it's more the competition and camaraderie that they enjoy. We don't agree on the whole issue, but I appreciate the respectful tone.
Donna, you sound really angry about something.
I still hope that the casino could be restored, but who knows? Actually, I'm still trying to figure out how a post about Grad night turns into war, military, Democrats, Republicans, etc...but then again, seems like most of these threads eventually do!
Posted by c-ya, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 17, 2009 at 6:59 am
Every post on here will always turn into war and political issues because there is a troll that goes by "Cholo". She is very sick and doesn't know anything about raising kids (or much about anything else in THIS world). Calling John's son a coward is sick!
These kids have worked hard to graduate and they deserve a safe & sober party. What the heck is wrong with that? Nothing! They still have many years of hard work ahead of them no matter what path they chose; be it college, military or work.
It is a right of passage - let the kids have a night of fun.
Posted by concerned citizen, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 21, 2009 at 2:14 pm
So what's the big deal with the games? You mean all those evenings in the family room around the poker table were wrong? The whole family was present, we cooked, we talked, laughed, told stories and learned to play a card game...oh no, I guess that was misguided and now we're all doomed...
Amador - Let 'em play!
BTW, the expensive 'swag bag' brought home from grad night was found in the corner of the bedroom around August, and discarded....most of it was pretty useless, but the Amador towel and the picture frames were treasures! Much like the 'party goody bags' for young kids birthdays, these are mostly unnecessary and just fill up the landfill. Keep it simple and cut those expenses instead.