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Original post made by The side AP doesn\'t report, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Aug 6, 2014

Mr. Cohen lives in Israel and writes periodically about issues there.
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From: Jack Cohen
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:03 PM
Subject: Ceasefire deaths

On July 15, exactly one week into IDF Operation Defensive Edge in Gaza, the Israeli Govt, accepted the unconditional ceasefire proposal of the Egyptian Govt., but Hamas rejected that ceasefire and continued shooting. At that point there had been some 194 Gazan casualties as reported in the international media based on Hamas figures. By the end of the current fighting when Hamas accepted the same unconditional Egyptian ceasefire 3 weeks later on Aug 5, the death toll in Gaza had reportedly risen to 1,834. Therefore we can say that exactly 1,640 people died in Gaza because Hamas refused to accept the original ceasefire proposal. This is a fact, whatever people may think or claim that the IDF did in the interim, if Hamas had accepted the same ceasefire 3 weeks earlier, 1,640 Gazans would be alive today.

According to Hamas sources only 25% of the casualties were combatants, but you can find NO photos of any combatants in Gaza, because they are censored by Hamas. According to the IDF they killed ca. 800 Hamas fighters during the Operation, and this is based on field reports (i.e. ca. 50% combatants). If we take this number from the total of 1834, this means that slightly over 1,000 civilians died in 4 weeks of fighting. This is in fact an incredibly LOW number, considering that Gaza is a densely populated area in which the IDF carried out over 2,500 attacks. This is a fourth of the weekly casualty toll in Syria and much less than that in Iraq. The IDF of course claims that all of its attacks were against Hamas positions, including missile launchers, firing points, tunnels and command centers, all of them in houses, schools, mosques and even hospitals. Does anyone claim that the IDF was actually trying to kill civilians, if they were you can be sure the toll would be a lot higher than it was. The reason for the civilian casualties was because of the use of the population as human shields to both protect Hamas firing points and to attract IDF fire, since the civiliian casualty figure is the only positive outcome for Hamas from this conflict. Talk about cynical (see Web Link ).

It is true that the IDF fired back at Hamas positions used to fire from near schools containing refugees. This is certainly allowed under the rules of war (Geneva conventions) when a protected area (such as a school) loses its protection if firing comes from it. If you look at actual videos from the IDF regarding the UNRWA school in Rafah where the little girl and 9 others supposedly died, the firings were directly adjacent to the school and furthermore the IDF response did not actually hit the school but hit the position outside the school where the fire was coming from. The deaths would have been much greater if the school itself containing ca. 3,000 refugees had been hit, and in fact anyone can tell that the school was intact from the videos shown on the news after the event. In that specific incident 10 died out of 3,000, not so many. Added this morning: In fact it has now been shown that the school incident was staged by Hamas (see Web Link ) and all you liberal media jerks were taken in, including the pro--Hamas Islamist Sayeeda Warsi, who had infiltrated the Cameron Conservative Government.

Let us calculate how many Israelis might have been killed by the missiles from Gaza had there been no Iron Dome system. Since there have been ca. 3,500 missiles fired into Israel in the past three weeks, and the Iron Dome has intercepted ca. 20% of them that were directed against populated areas, that is 700 missiles that could have caused casualties, and let's assume that only 2 people would have been killed on average by each missile, that is already ca. 1,400 casualties. If by chance a missile had hit an Israeli school or kindergarten, then the death count would have been much greater. Those that regret that the civilian casualty figures in Gaza are disproportionate must reflect on the fact that while Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas tries to inflict them, and the world might not show as much sympathy for dead Jews. If the UK is under missile attack from the Islamic State in the future we will not sell them our Iron Dome system, since they want to boycott arms sales to us.

So the crucial question arises, what was it that persuaded Hamas to accept the same unconditional Egyptian ceasefire that it rejected 3 weeks before? No one seems to be asking this question. The answer is of course the damage that Israel did to Hamas facilities (not the civilian casualties), namely the rocket stores and the tunnels destroyed and the terrorist leaders that were killed durng the intervening period. Note that after Hamas rejected the first unconditional ceasefire, US Secty of State John Kerry met with the FMs of Turkey and Qatar, both of whom support Hamas, and gave a statement before the press saying that we needed to be sensitive to the needs of the Palestinian people and Israel should remove its blockade of Gaza. Needless to say, this made PM Netanyahu furious and he ignored Kerry's ceasefire proposal, and its good that he did, since Hamas eventually dropped this condition for a ceasefire and accepted the unconditional ceasefire.

Now the bargaining is beginning. Israel cannot drop its blockade of Gaza if there is any possibility that Hamas will import more missiles (newer long range ones from Iran). Israel's major requirement is that Gaza be demilitarized and that reconstruction cannot go on without close supervision (by a UN or other body), otherwise Hamas will use the construction material to reconstruct their tunnels. Whether or not Hamas feels it has taken enough destruction will determine whether or not it will accept these conditions. Israel allows and will allow more food, medicines and humanitarian aid to be trucked into Gaza, as long as it can inspect all shipments. Both Egypt and the PA (whatever they say in public) will be willing to persuade Hamas to give up its impossible fantasy of destroying Israel. In this way the role of the PA will be enhanced relative to Hamas, which may have implications for the future.

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Posted by Rockets stored at UN Schools in Gaza
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 10:09 am

See

Web Link

A UN "project" for arab refugees (from a war 60 years ago, that was started by an arab attack)
found 20 rockets stored in a school.
They gave the rockets back to Hamas,
and not surprisingly, the rockets disappeared.


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Posted by Jamal
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 10:54 am

Over 1800 deaths in Gaza, over half being innocent women and children, and most being noncombatant civilian.

As measured against: One death of a noncombatant in Israel -- an elderly who died of a heart attack.

Thank you for your objective point of view Mr. Cohen. And thank you for telling us that the photos of dead Palestinian children have been staged (by virtually every credible news agency in the world).

It's good that you are able to see things with such a clear and balanced point of view. As you say, there can be no moral equivalency between an occupying colonialist and an occupied people; but yet you want to spoon feed us your tripe that there is surely a moral equivalency between Israeli high-tech rocketry and Hamas' M-80 firecrackers.

And you wonder why public opinion around the globe is turning against you? Take your head out from you know where. Then come back and join the human race.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2014 at 11:30 am

I don't believe that the violence between Israel and the Palestinians will ever end.

The killing has happened for centuries. sad sad sad...nothing I read will ever provide an acceptable analysis of the killing.


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Posted by Jamal
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 11:56 am

Maybe you are right, Cholo. But I'd like to believe that some day perhaps the violence will end. Surely, however, the violence cannot be expected to end when a brutal colonialist occupier continues to enforce what effectively amounts to a system of apartheid on a people.


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Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 6, 2014 at 12:20 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Maybe it will end when the Hamas and Pali terrorists love their children more than they hate the Israelis.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm

Palestinians love their children as much as any other Human Beings on planet earth.

It's my impression that Hate rules. Greed rules. Violence rules. There are some instances in which there is no mercy.

Leave it to the inhabitants of planet earth to destroy the planet and one another.

It won't be long before the USA is involved in killing innocent human beings...again.




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Posted by Jamal
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm

The Disease, being the free thinker he is (chuckle, chuckle), shows his ability to step outside of the Israeli war propaganda machine and think on his own two feet (more chuckles).

The Israelis bank on people being really dumb. Disease shows how they cash in on blind ignorance.


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Posted by Deadly Weapons- not innocent toys
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 2:04 pm

Jamal,

Your prejudice is showing, and your information is bad.

Hamas is not exploding "M-80's" they bought from a kid, that can take your hand off.

These people who subvert the name of the religion of peace,
have both sophisticated missiles
and rockets that they get from Iran and others, (under or past the borders)
and also, in their spare time, assemble deadly Quassam Rockets,
to advance their "peaceful goals!"

Take a look:
Web Link

A Quassam rocket can be 8.5 feet long, and trave 2.5 to 8.1 miles.
The warhead may be 22 pounds,
filled with high explosives as well as ball bearings and shrapnel - whose sole purpose is the hurt the civilian people who live in the residential neighborhoods they target.

If you live in Pleasanton, imagine if the nice people in Dublin were continuing to fire hundreds of these into your town?
This is not political rhetoric, this is attempted or actual murder.

They store and fire these from schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods.
They are not well made, about 20% are reported to fall short, and hit Gaza*.
They have converted dump trucks, with the rocket launchers hidden below, until the bed goes up, often from a school yard, or even a tunnel in the courtyard of a mosque.
Not very careful:
Also they often have "Work Accidents" , where the bomb blows up while they are making or handling it.
*Sometimes Hamas then blames the ensuing explosions on the Israelis, but most of the time they are only fooling themselves. Or you, if you are not too bright.

These are the same people who danced in the street after Osama Bin Laden's attack on the innocent people working in the Twin Towers.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2014 at 2:36 pm

Thousands of innocent children, women, men will needlessly be murdered on all sides.

There is NO WAY to justify killing innocent human beings.

The comments in the previous post are full of justification for rampant killings of imaginary enemy.

The comments are also intended to upset ALL readers. sad...

May peace come soon.


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm

Michael Austin is a registered user.

HAMAS IS THE LONG TERM EVIL BEFORE AND AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN.

Israel has every right to protect their sovereignty, their country, their citizens, and their freedom.

When Hamas rains down rockets on Israel, constructs tunnels under the border into Israel, violates Israel sovereignty, murders Israel citizens, there is one option for Israel.

Reciprocate, defend themselves.

Hamas places its rockets inside schools, hospitals, mosques, residential neighborhoods, inside homes. Hamas strategically places their citizens into the center of destruction that is sure to come, the center of the rocket launches from Hamas. The rocket launches that Israel will most certainly attack to remove the ongoing launch threats against them

The sole responsible party for this current conflict and all previous conflicts, are the Hamas.

The Hamas started all this. The Hamas will continue with this deranged, bizarre self destruction going forward when the Hamas violates this current truce.


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Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 6, 2014 at 6:34 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

'Jamal' from another neighborhood (Berserkely) missed his indoctrination lesson about how Hamas spends humanitarian aid on a vast network of terror tunnels designed to stealthily infiltrate Israel to kill and kidnap innocent citizens or soldier. This must be acceptable for the democratically elected Hamas terrorists and so the voters that put these knuckle draggers in power must also suffer the consequences of their actions.
It has often been said that elections have consequences, both here and abroad. We've all seen how our country has suffered due to the ignorant low information dem voters that turned out in mass in this country; now, we get to see the impact of terrorists hijacking a democratic process.

We are lucky that our lawless neighbors to the south have not resorted to lobbing missiles at us, like Hamas does to Israel. Instead, our amateur in chief watches as our country is invaded at a much slower, but no less deadly pace.

P.S. Mittens, nice try posting with your ethnic surname. Shalom.


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Posted by Watch Hamas Launch Rockets from UN school
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 9:39 pm

Jamal:
These are not firecrackers.

This is the result of evil cowards.


Web Link


ttp://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/un-official-admits-hamas-firing-rockets-from-the-vicinity-of-un-facilities/

Web Link


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Posted by Jamal
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2014 at 10:29 pm

As a result of hundreds, perhaps thousands of pea-shooter launches from Gaza into Israel, how many noncombatant deaths? One old lady who suffered a heart attack running to an air raid shelter.

Over 1800 deaths in Gaza from Israeli shelling, the majority of whom are noncombatants -- you know, women, children, old people.

You do the math. Like I said, M-80s.

I'll let others attempt to find moral equivalency in stones v. armored tanks, M-80s v. hi-tech missiles, supplied by the U.S.

Re. U.S. culpability in the indiscriminate murder of Palestinian innocents: the U.S. provides Israel per annum with approx. 2 billion in military aid, with the stipulation that Israel must spend 50+% of that on purchases from U.S. arms manufacturers.


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Posted by lll
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 6, 2014 at 11:22 pm

If you were living there, you would not feel they were using 'pea-shooters'. Israel has been very restrained. If any group/country did this to the USA, we would have reacted immediately and much stronger.

The problem is not the Palestinians but rather Hamas, the terrorist organization, that is 'leading' the Palestinians. If a Palestinian speaks up against Hamas, they have a great chance of 'disappearing'. Even the Arab nations around that area do not align themselves with Hamas. Hamas also uses the Palestinians as 'shields' around their rocket sites; showing that they do not value the life of a Palestinian. Contrast that with Israel that dropped leaflets and called every home in Gaza to tell the people to leave the areas that were holding rockets or tunnels and would be hit.

Israel has every right, and a duty, to protect themselves. There will never be peace there while Hamas is in power. Hamas has a goal to eliminate Israel first, and then to move on (to the US). How can anybody negotiate with a group that wants to eliminate you?

Also, they do not want to see a Jewish state but they have no problems with the Arab states in the area. Talk about antisemitism. In Israel, all religions can live there. In the neighboring Arab countries, no Jews can live there.


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Posted by Jamal
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2014 at 8:13 am

III, you, as well as the other monikers you use, seem incapable of doing the math.

Also, your compassion for Palestinian innocents is well noted. What? No? You didn't mention their suffering, only the irritation experienced by Israelis because of the pea-shooters? Go figure!

The U.S. and most of the civilized world doesn't have Israel's problem because most of the civilized world, unlike Israel, has forfeited its colonialist ambitions. Nor is the civilized world, unlike Israel, enforcing apartheid anywhere. These are Israeli doings, and now they find themselves in a situation where they feel compelled to slaughter innocents based upon trumped up charges of missiles (aka M-80s) being launched against them. At any rate, this will mean more American aid to Israel, and more arms purchases by Israel from US military arms corporations. More innocent blood on American citizens' hands while the economy continues to be lubricated by the merchants of death. Free Palestine.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 7, 2014 at 9:54 am

How tragic that so many Americans living in the relative safety of Plutonia believe that they understand why Israel is killing and endangering the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent Palestinians.

I AGREE. FREE PALESTINE.

EVEN THOUGH YOUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONFLICT, DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU HEAR AND SEE ON THE 6 PM NEWS.

VIVA PALESTINE! VIVA!


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Posted by lll
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 7, 2014 at 4:42 pm

There is no math that needs to be done. Hamas wants all Jews and Israel exterminated.

Yes the Palestinians are suffering. That is the fault of Hamas. Money that could be used to better their lives is instead used offensively to try to eliminate Israel. Israel, and the citizens there, want peace. There is only so long you can put up with a group shooting rockets at you before you have to react. Israel has probably been too patient. How can Israel negotiate with the Palestinians when they are being led by a terrorist group that wants you eliminated? Once the Palestinian leaders accept Israel and the Jewish people, then talks can flourish. Slightly off-topic but why is Jordan now dividing some of its much larger country so the Palestinians can create a state there instead of this tiny nation called Israel.

When Hamas fires rockets and have a child strapped to them for protection, or firing rockets and tunneling under hospitals, it is unfortunate that the innocent will be hurt. The harm to the Palestinian people is caused by Hamas and their absolute no respect for anybody's life.

The Palestinians can start their freedom when Hamas is gone.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm

The world benefits from the continuous conflict and mass murder in the middle east to avoid a planet holocaust.

Large corporations/the war industry, multiple ruthless countries, and greed seem todrive the continuous conflicts. It's convenient that the "middle east" is always at war because it gives rise to multiple terrorist groups who fan the flames. It seems to keep business on its toes and results in a boost to international trading/economies.

I recall President Bush prancing about proclaiming that he is the "War President". He reminded me of the clown who sang his own praises as Rome burned.

Nobody will ever be capable of justifying the death of other humans beings/cultures because of a twisted understanding of history.

Perhaps every five years there could be international war games someplace where anybody that doesn't want to kill can go...others don't have to show up if they have no need to kill. Let the brave soldiers duke it out...the sea can swallow the dead and the games are over in 30 days. We avoid a holocaust and spare the innocents. Every five years, it might help the planet get rid of dictators, murderers, presidents, kings, popes and the drones...etc...




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Posted by lll
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 7, 2014 at 5:28 pm

Here is some information this week from news sources there:

Palestinian Arab sources said Tuesday that Gaza residents attacked Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri Saturday evening, near the Shifa Hospital. Abu Zuhri had arrived at the hospital for an interview with a news outlet. The residents blamed Hamas for the death of family members and for destruction of their homes. Armed Hamas terrorists from the Izzedine al-Kassam Brigades extricated Abu Zuri and arrested the angry residents.

A week ago, Palestinian sources reported that over 30 Palestinians were executed by Hamas, most of them in the Shejaiya neighborhood.

Channel 10 said that Hamas executed 20 residents of Shejaiya who had dared demonstrate against Hamas.

Rockets were fired at Israel from next to Shifa Hospital during the fighting in Gaza, and Hamas's leadership hid under it.

This is news from the Arabs, not Israel.


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Posted by MichaelAustin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 7, 2014 at 5:32 pm

Cholo:
Plagiarism!


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Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 7, 2014 at 6:45 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Jamal/mittens/cholo-as long as the Hamas/Pali militants lob missiles and build terror tunnels, they get what they deserve. Let me simplify it for you bigots: don't poke your neighbor in the eye with a stick, no matter what size it is. You will end up pulling the stick out of your a$$.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 7, 2014 at 8:19 pm

Multinational corporations, and massive GREED drives the MURDER OF INNOCENTS in Palestine.

Follow the MONEY,and perhaps a few clues will be disclosed.

signed,

bush 'n cheney for starters...




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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 7, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Halliburton made $35 BILLION PLUS BUCKS OFF THE IRAQ WAR:

Web Link

UNFORTUNATELY, MANY INNOCENT AMERICANS AND OTHER INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS DIED BECAUSE OF GREED. THAT IS HISTORY.

Cheney owns HALLIBURTON.

i rest my case...


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Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 9, 2014 at 7:04 am

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Rest your brain, chola. This is not Iraq, Bush is not in office and he did not start the conflict in Gaza, nor did he incite the militant Islamists who deny Israel's right to exist.
It's time to back away from your computer, or at least read something othe than Daily Kos-tic and huffpo. Your brain is starting to rot and you're having paranoid delusions.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 9, 2014 at 9:34 am

Can somebody please explain who controls Iraq's oil? Maybe the current crisis has something to do with cheney and his gang of ninja turtles? How do you suppose cheney will make several BILLIONS off the deaths of innocent bystanders and American soldiers?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...waiting for your compassionate and logical explanation...

signed,

American parents that don't want their kids sent to another war while bush or cheney become wealthier...we rest our case


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Posted by WOW
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Aug 9, 2014 at 9:52 am

For a long time I thought Cholo was entertaining and harmless. Now he has become downright frightening in his thought process.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 9, 2014 at 10:43 am

I agree that the murder of innocent people is terribly frightening. If you haven't participated in a war, you have no idea what happens. It is horrific.

There is no way to talk about mass killing except truthfully.

War is a horrific nightmare that never ends. A war injures the entire world.


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