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on May 5, 2014
I hope to God the guy was white, otherwise there will be public outcry regarding police use of deadly force against a criminal of color.
It is too bad our law officers can not deal with folks using a baseball bat etc etc.
I guess they are not trained well enough in self defense without pulling their hand gun and shooting the person not once in the leg but several rounds into the upper body to kill them...
These cops are not trained well at all...next time Mr. Cop shoot the hell out of him in the legs he or she will drop and you can cuff them...I think I know why you kill them...
Just my opinion, Thanks for listening, Julia Pardini, from Alamo
Anyone going at a police officer with a weapon (stick, bat or knife) can expect to be shot!! Some people don't have a clue about how to defend oneself with a firearm! Julia!
pretty is as pretty does...i rest my case
Was a Taser available to take him down?
Julia, (removed) No officer should ever have to defend himself from ANY attack with ANY weapon. Why don't you suggest that the officer just speak quietly and give the attacker a time out to calm down?
For the record, the office was quite capable of dealing with the attacker who had the baseball bat. I commend that officer for getting rid of such a useless and harmful moron.
Yes, even if you shoot the guy 2 or 3 times in the legs, he can still quickly get up and use the baseball bat against the officers. Because, you know, two or more police officers are no match for a guy with three bullets in his legs with a baseball bat in his hand, especially if he's black.
Kudos to the PW for allowing posters' racial comments to stand. For, after all, it is only posters who claim the city or the newspaper is racist who deserve to be censored. How dare they say that about our good city and fine newspaper? In case you hadn't heard, we live in a society where racism no longer exists.
Reading the story on SF gate it appears that 2 officers responded.
The person with the bat was 18 and living with his mom + sister. Supposedly the 18yr old was suffering a nervous breakdown and someone "18 yr old mother?" said "don't shoot" shortly before shots were fired.
I agree with Julia in this case. 2 officers on the scene the other officer could have used his baton or taser. Not sure why one would have to fire more than 2 rounds either.
Now a Mother is w/o her son who probably needed mental help.
Well, if you're a cop and you're not sufficiently trained, you're scared to death of people of color, you have the gun, and you're virtually certain the reportage will be in your favor and superiors' reviews will also be in your favor, then it's understandable why you'd 'fire away'.
Three years ago when I was doing research on this, over a 5 year period not a single police officer was found guilty of murder in cases like these -- in all of America. To run from a cop who shouts "Stop" is a felony, and the cop is then within his "rights" to fire away.
Sick as it is, that's the way it is.
It's not cool when anybody gets killed.
I never appreciate using a gun unless it's absolutely necessary. Hopefully the case will be reviewed and alternative solutions seriously discussed.
Taser's are very effective in taking down hostile folks. I don't quite understand what exactly happened?
I side on the p.d. If someone raises a bat over their head (especially to a police officer) his intent is to kill, and in my opinion he is insane. Firing upon the bat handler is what i would do and this notion about shooting the person in the legs, people, really, you are trying to stop an insane person who is trying to kill you, you can try to aim at a leg that is 2-3' long and about 3-4" wide or a torso that is 1'-4" X 2'-6", SHOOT AT THE BIGGER TARGET, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO HIT SOMETHING, as the officer did and he should be commended. I am wondering why the Livermore Police did not arrest this man after tasing him over the weekend???
It is certainly my impression that cops are a great deal more trigger-happy than they once were. It seems like a military mentality, and we are the citizenry of some occupied land. So, it's "shoot first and then go on paid administrative leave later." Anybody have some actual stats?
Think about it -- what would you do if you were just a neighbor, trying to help out? You'd retreat to safety and work with your partner. Not these guys. KaPowie, center mass. Repeatedly.
It makes me very hesitant to call on them, for fear they'll make allmost any disturbance situation much worse.
Protect and Serve?
These so called police need to be investigated for murder. There is no excuse for this. I hope they go to jail for a long time. They are the criminals in this case.
No sympathy from me. LOCK THEM UP!!
Does anyone know how many times this civilian was shot in the back? I wonder if the name of the killer, I mean deputy, will be made public?
Very insightful comments from people with zero training in self-defense, apprproiate use of force, and the stopping power of lethal and non-lethal weapons. Since you are all so smart please spend a few weekends riding along with PD to demonstrate the best ways to disarm viloent people. Be sure you have the opportunity to put yourself in harm's way and literally make a life a death decision in a split second. Where is your outrage over the scumbags who severely beat two deputies this weekend in Castro Valley?
"Very insightful comments ..."
What a bunch of BS. Why don't you go "ride along" with the PD. Go knock yourself out.
Sounds to me like the "police" need the training. They need to be made an example of. Send them to jail for a long time!
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