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Not a single story about the healthcare disaster?

Original post made by Kangaroo, another community, on Nov 5, 2013

The silence is deafening.

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Posted by Jim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 5, 2013 at 12:54 pm

I've got a story for you. Obamacare is rotten to the core. It's because the state is incompetent. I'm moving to Massachusetts. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?????


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Nov 5, 2013 at 4:14 pm

begone...good riddance...


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Posted by Downtowner
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 5, 2013 at 6:17 pm

Downtowner is a registered user.

Well, I shopped for a new policy on the CoveredCA.com web site, and while the site definitely had its problems, I was able to sign up for new health care, and it will save me around $500/month and is a much better policy with lower co-pays. I guess that to Republicans that's a "disaster".


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Posted by Question
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Nov 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm

Downtowner,

We're you subsidized or did you pay it yourself? Tell the truth now :)


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 5, 2013 at 7:07 pm

To "Question",

Is there some kind of problem with "Downtowner" being "subsidized"?


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 5, 2013 at 7:30 pm

It's a valid question, john. The answer tells us why someone like downtowner would sing the praises of the newest method this regime has concocted to keep people voting for their democrat masters. Give the takers something for free and keep them beholden to their master, all while bleeding dry the contributors in society.
So, yes john, there is a problem, which explains why your messiah had to lie about being able to keep your plan and doctor.


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Posted by RH
a resident of Amador Estates
on Nov 5, 2013 at 8:08 pm

I have made several postings about Obamacare...all factual and with my reputable sources listed. However, the Pleasanton Weekly censored them, presumably to protect Congressman McNerney from any criticism (when he was District 11's rep).


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Posted by Jim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 5, 2013 at 8:10 pm

Yup, subsidies. That's what I've been saying all along for cripe's sake! Subsidies for farmers, subsidies for corporations, subsidies for retired people, subsidies for unemployed people, subsidies for sick people. When are we going to let farmers go broke? Corporations operate on a level playing field? Retired people die earlier like they should? Unemployed people rot in destitution which is what they deserve -- Hey, go work at Walmart and collect food stamps you ninnies! When are we going to wake up and allow sick people to succumb when nature decides to take its course? Boy, I'm steamin' now! My Daddy worked really hard for my money, and now Our Dear Leader wants to take it away from me.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 5, 2013 at 8:51 pm

What I do really find strange is people on Medicare and Social Security complaining about "takers" getting "something for free".


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Posted by daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 6, 2013 at 10:17 am

John, did you and your employer pay into Social Security?


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Posted by daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 6, 2013 at 10:21 am

Web Link


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 6, 2013 at 12:17 pm

Please, Dave, don't confuse john with economic facts. Maybe he's a public service drone who doesn't pay into SS, nor would his employer. Social security is not an entitlement as much as it is a pyramid scheme.
And since the govt raided the funds (no more 'lockbox'), chances are most of us paid into our supplemental retirement account and will not see a dime of that money.......another govt fubar program.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 6, 2013 at 1:47 pm

Hi daveg,

That is an interesting question. I would say that I, and my employers have paid taxes. Even though the taxes in question may have been designated as "Social Security" (or Medicare), that is a fiction. The money I and my employers paid for these taxes went to pay for government functions at the time -- everything from building roads and running the military, to actually sending Social Security checks. All of the money was borrowed and the Social Security "trust fund" exists only as a cabinet full of IOUs.

Web Link

Typical Medicare recipients now get 3 dollars in benefits for every one dollar paid for "Medicare taxes". Both systems amount to one generation paying for services that another generation uses. The trouble is that later generations won't be able to keep paying benefits at current levels unless something dramatically changes.

Social Security and Medicare, like many other government programs take money from one group of people and give it away to others. These are socialistic, government giveaway programs, like Obamacare. People complaining about Obamacare should be complaining about Social Security and Medicare too.


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Posted by Jim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 6, 2013 at 2:23 pm

John says, "People complaining about Obamacare should be complaining about Social Security and Medicare too."

Count me in! ANYthing associated with Obama deserves criticism, in my humble opinion.

Another one of my pet peeves is how the 14th Amendment is used to justify helping people who don't belong here. Like aliens. A couple of days ago I saw an alien who had been hit by a car being helped into an ambulance. All I could think of is how my tax money is probably paying for the ambulance, the drivers, and the medical care the guy was going to receive. We'd all be better off as a society if we just didn't give any special treatment to aliens. That way they'd either die or go back to where they came from. Letting a few aliens lie injured or maimed in an intersection would send a message clear enough.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 6, 2013 at 5:09 pm

My biggest concern is POS Obama lying to all of us. He should lose his job


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 6, 2013 at 8:47 pm

Jim, after you ran over that illegal alien, did you you offer to bring him back to your home to offer him treatment for the wounds you inflicted, along with paying for his college education and support for the multitude of little illegal offspring he brought with him? No. I didn't think so. You liberal dip wads are great at spending other peoples money, in my humble opinion.


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Posted by Right is Right, Really Right, No I Mean Really, Really Right
a resident of Civic Square
on Nov 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm

You're right, Right. Those stupid liberal dip wads are just too much. Better to be a patriotic, freedom loving, hater who will not be bothered with helping people in need because, hey, they're Mexican, not American; who doesn't care about our society educating its best and brightest; and who is all to happy to see little ones starve because, after all, they should have been born to wealthy parents in Pleasanton ... oops, I forgot, Pleasanton doesn't have Mexicans living here, though we provide them vicarious pleasure when we let them cut our lawns. I love the way you think, Right. You've got a really fine mind.


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 7, 2013 at 4:34 pm

Right is right, substitute Mexican in your incoherent bleeding heart rant with Ukrainian, Chinese, Ethiopian, etc. Pick your favorite illegal and tell me again how WE should be paying their rom and board and sending their young hordes of offspring to college, when we can't afford college for our own kids. Best and brightest my rear end. If you bleeding hearts were just so generous with your own money instead of everyone else's, people might respect your magnanimous stance. Instead, you represent a pathetic guilt ridden minority that, like the govt, wants to tell everyone else what they should be doing because you think you know better and stand on some moral high ground.
I'll look for you in front of Home Depot, where I expect you to pick up all those illegal, non union laborers and take them home, feed them, clothe them and send their rug rats to college. Do it on your dime or shut up.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Nov 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm

I find it delightful when I visit UCB and observe thousands of students from throughout the world. And, when I hear Spanish spoken, it fills my heart!

Yes indeed, the more students from throughout the world, the better the student body. As fellow Americans we have so much to look forward to when UC students from various racial/ethnic backgrounds graduate, join the workforce, pay taxes, and maintain our standard of living.

VIVA STUDENTS! VIVA!


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 7, 2013 at 8:59 pm

Cholo, you are right, as long as they all pay their fair share and return to their legal country of residence when they are done taking spots in our colleges that should be occupied by American citizens.


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Posted by Jim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 7, 2013 at 10:35 pm

Well, Right, I sympathize, to a degree. If your kids aren't good enough to compete against immigrants - documented or otherwise - they shouldn't be in college. That's the free market, baby. The cream rises to the top, and the slugs get flushed down the sewer.

And if by chance a kid's parents can't afford to send their kids to one of those high-priced, lesser universities, well, that's the parents' fault. You maybe should have worked harder or gotten a better education. No doubt, too, this would have translated into your kids having more talent than they currently have. I mean, really, being outcompeted by illegal kids off the street? If you ask me, that's a surefire indictment against the parents of the outcompeted kid. Perhaps you should have made better decisions in your life, Right.


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Posted by Tina
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Nov 7, 2013 at 11:16 pm

Jim this paper is not about the truth or the real story. They hide most of the things we really need to hear.
Read the article about the Walnut Grove Principle. They all talk about what a great guy he was and how much he did for the kids,but not one person including the weekly actually tell us what he has done. They play the blame game and never have the facts. Welcome to Swankville the largest fake town on earth.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 8, 2013 at 7:59 am

The level of vitrol and name calling from the right on this board is amazing. I think they are just scared that once fully implemented that majority of Americans will like the ACA.

If you look at the constituent programs in the ACA,many are popular across political divisions. But given our current divisive state, the other side can't be seen as succeeding even if it is helping bring healthcare to those who need it. The ACA isn't perfect and should be improved in certain. However, the current antics are very disappointing and we should be better than this.


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Posted by MePartyPatriot
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 8, 2013 at 9:58 pm

MePartyPatriot is a registered user.

Boy, ignorance still prevails in the PW.

Take the case of the woman with breast cancer and Multiple-Sclerosis. Dropped her monthly health insurance premium from $800 to $200. Or, the 62 year old retired woman working an extra PT job just to pay health insurance. Now she can drop one of those PT jobs and spend more time with her 90+ mother.


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Posted by Registered User
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 8, 2013 at 10:44 pm

Great anecdotes, MePP. You've convinced me; ObamaCare is a success! I think it will replace the USPS, Social Security, Medicare, and the IRS as a new model of government efficiency.

VIVA SOCIALISM! VIVA!


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2013 at 5:54 pm

Not to worry, Obama said today he would 'fix' obamacare for all the millions who have lost their healthcare plans due to the changes required in this ill conceived obamanation.
He really means it this time, and we all know he wouldn't lie....well, at least not like the lies he told to get this 'law' passed.
His legacy is now complete.....


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 14, 2013 at 6:32 pm

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Conservatives don't care who is helped by the ACA, only whether they themselves are "hurt" by it. I think every person complaining should keep their crappy policies that no longer comply with the law, and either die or go bankrupt from medical bills as many have done before them. If you're looking for sympathy from anyone who is uninsured or under-insured, good luck with that.


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Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Janna,
Now, you're making sense -- let us keep our crappy health plans -- after all, that's what the Messiah promised.....!! Since when does lying to sell something get a green light from you? Does the end justify the means?

Pelosi, Reid, and Obama should be recalled for the methods they used when they shoved this crappy program through Congress against the will of a majority of the people.


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Janna is back on her basement using the computer again! Woohoo....and she's spewing the same vitriol that we've come to expect from frothing liberals that March in lockstep with their dear leader.
While it's naive and very quant to think that leftists want to actually help people who refuse to purchase their own insurance, what is really at stake here is 1/6 of the US economy, which the obamanuts want to redistribute amongst their loyal lemmings.
Why the hell do you care what kind of policies people have been paying for? If they are happy with their plans, who are you to tell them they can't provide the coverage that works for them. Stop meddling in people's lives and go manage your own affairs.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 14, 2013 at 7:45 pm

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I said they should keep them, seriously. I think they should. Really. Let the whiners have what they want. Don't come crying when the policy only covers $1k of a $100k hospital bill and then ask for help. It shouldn't be there for them.

Perhaps if you were without insurance for as long as I have been, you'd feel differently. I love the smugness of cons, thinking it's freedom to be able to die from lack of health insurance and hard work guarantees the American dream. That's hilarious, really.

Most people who have complained in the media btw were completely ignorant of their options. No wonder, what with the media pitch hitting for the insane GOP.

The louder you and the GOP cry about it, I know it's good for America. Cons are the worst supporters of their fellow Americans.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 14, 2013 at 7:55 pm

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Arroyo, I felt the same way about the Patriot Act being rammed through during dubya's reign. What's your point?

I love how cons don't care when it's their side doing it. Perhaps I've been pushed to a point where I don't care as long as the cons are the losers? That wouldn't be very liberal of me, but frankly, I could care less at this point.

The GOP are being controlled by a bunch of bagger idiots, first they try to repeal it 40+ times, then when that doesn't work, they complain people can't sign up fast enough. I thought they didn't want anyone to benefit from the ACA? Now they care? Riiiiiigggggghhhhhtttt!


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 14, 2013 at 8:15 pm

Like your comment very much, Janna.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 7:42 am

I agree with original post. There should be more stories on about the healthcare disaster in the US.

It is a shame that so many Americans do not have affordable access to healthcare. Our healthcare in the US is way overpriced and our healthcare outcomes are no better than in other developed nations.

Why don't we see more stories about this disaster? Why don't Republicans and Democrats work together to fix this?


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Posted by I too Question
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 10:41 am

The ignorant who say they are paying less, don't understand, it's because other people are going to work everyday to pay the rest of their premiums...for them ! It's not about what THEY are paying, it is about what the PREMIUM COST....and the working taxpayers who provide the SUBSIDIES.. Let us keep the discussions HONEST. This is all overseen by the IRS and the actual cost will be unfairly added f or others to pay.
I pity the soon-to-be poor middle class twenty-somethings. Along with college debt and no jobs upon graduation (their grandparents are continuing to work with zero interest on their savings), the 28 year olds should be saving for buying a home, but have to pay for exponential growth of long-living seniors on going broke social security, and now have to pick up the cost of low achievers socialized medical insurance premiums.
Definitely not the America we enjoyed growing up.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 15, 2013 at 11:18 am

Yes, I too Question, America has changed and continues to change. I bet you'd have preferred to have kept those good old days of slavery, too. And those good old days when Medicare, social security, assistance for single mothers, and unemployment compensation were not yet with us. Yes, I too Question, America has changed, and it looks like you haven't. Must suck to be you.


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 12:07 pm

Student, you obviously have much to learn about life and learning to respect those older than you, for they have experienced way more than you. They didn't build this country up only for you to destroy it.
Obamacare is a Ponsi scheme, albeit a poorly designed one. You're going to miss those good old days of slavery....you've just traded one plantation for another. Rammed through by one inept party trying to find a way to redistribute income and control the population. Forcing everyone to have insurance is one thing, but micromanaging plans that were already working for responsible adults is meddling that is unnecessary and unwanted.
Oh well...I'm about to retire soon and will be collecting the last of the social security funds available for us folks that don't want to end the good old days. You better get a job soon to pay for my SS and healthcare. Maybe these really are the good old days....LOL
Must suck to be you


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Posted by I too Question
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm

Right, Student doesn't understand. All she/he knows is union teacher propaganda. Student understand that brilliant socialist security was shared with around 38 paying to provide a check to ONE person. Today, it is shared by just TWO Students providing ONE check !!!. Of course we have added adult children of deceased and all sorts of other convoluted reasons to pass out those checks...NOT just elderly WHO SUPPOSEDLY HAVE WORKED TO EARN THE RIGHT TO COLLECT... today, I do wonder about many foreign elders who have not worked sufficient time requirements..I think it need policing better.
Student also doesn't understand the FORCED REQUIRED 'contributions' to social security provide a pittance, nothing close to what the SAME CONTRIBUTIONS in stock market would have yielded.....stocks about
eight times today's SS check. Mine is $1,000. though I had high income periods. Of course Student doesn't grasp that Medicare is broke, the next generation will have the privilege of bringing those finances current
that inline....right NOW the INTEREST ALONE, is more than the next generation will ever be able to cover. That is always what eventually happens to sharen (socialist) programs.
The financial burden and ultimate financial collapse will hit Student well before that generation reaches retirement.
So Student, do enjoy this newly added shared insurance program, which for DUAL payers, may not be 'affordable'.
If you're a student I guess you plan on being successful enough to provide for all the other free-riders, and before US ultimately looks like Bangladesh, we


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm

So "Right",

You're okay with taking other people's hard earned money in the form of Social Security and Medicare? You're alright with wealth redistribution as long as you are the recipient? Why should you get a giveaway? You sound like a typical liberal.


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm

John, if you had ever been employed in the private sector and had managed to get a clue along the way, you'd know that both me and my employer pay into the plans I intend to have repay me with my contributions. I'm not sure why the sources of contributions for this long standing retirement supplement eludes you, but maybe you might want to hook up with 'student' and learn a thing or two about your govt programs. If you plan to live into old age ( which might be questionable given your incoherence) you should educate yourself. Or don't and I'm sure some illegal alien will use your social security number with their falsified ID to collect your benefits. Muy bueno....


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm

Right, you are wrong, wrong, wrong!

You paid taxes, you didn't "pay into a plan" -- That is if you really ever worked; You sound a little too much like a typical Obama loving welfare type to me, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, like I said, you paid taxes. Those taxes got used for whatever the government wanted. There is nothing left but a cabinet full of IOUs (scroll up and follow the link to read all about it). Social Security and Medicare and some kind of separate, special tax. They are just taxes. They get spent however the government wants. Medicare and Social Security are just Welfare, pure and simple. They take money from people who work and contribute and give it to people who don't.

But don't worry "Right" (the welfare queen), your Messiah (Obama) agrees with you, and he wants to keep giving you handouts. Just go ahead, keep voting for your Messiah, and keep stealing from people who really work for a living, or own their own businesses.

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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 16, 2013 at 8:15 am

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Yesterday the US House of Representatives voted with a bipartisan majority of 261 to 157 passing a bill that would allow the president to keep his promise, "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it". The bill allows insurance companies to continue to offer plans for one more year that are not compliant with Obamacare rules. Local congress members Eric Swalwell and Nancy Polosi voted no.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2013 at 9:41 am

Thank you Eric Swalwell and Nancy Pelosi for voting no on a bill that would take away valuable parts of the ACA


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Nov 16, 2013 at 9:49 am

The above post to Pelosi is not mine...BUSTED!

signed,

Cholo Pololo Mololo...HOORAY!


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 16, 2013 at 11:47 am

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Thank you Student.

Don't let the righties get you down. They are jaded, selfish, and lack compassion for their fellow humans. You can see it, can't you? They completely lack humanity. Once one loses that, one can no longer relate to anyone else and that's just sad, especially for the overall success of our country.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 16, 2013 at 11:52 am

Yes, Doug, because you care about others so much. As you and so many others on the right have been fretting over people's health insurance, or lack of it, since ... well ... since that black buck has entered office and attempted to do what's best for the American public.

What are the righties afraid of? The ACA's eventual success, as everyone knows it will be? Or do they simply like the idea of millions of families not having health insurance? Or, likely, is it simply the righties see their purpose in life is to tear down anything that that current guy in office has accomplished?

Does anyone remember the winny-ninnying from the right when Romney's Obamacare was instituted in Massachoochoo? Land O Goshen I wonder why? The hypocrisy is stunning. But it's interesting, too, to watch the entire corporate media show its true colors in its effort to cut the knees out from under the law and its advocates. Why? I guess they see democratic socialism as a threat to corporate profits. Sad but true.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 16, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Janna is a registered user.

Hey Student, watch this Van Jones video (on the front page, Big Think), he explains the righties' exact problem, denouncing their own ideas because democrats embrace them: Web Link

The best part of all this is the individual mandate, that has all their panties in a bunch, was 100% conservative "think tank" Heritage Foundation's idea. It was a conservative idea through and through. Now they act like it wasn't. They are hypocrites.


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Posted by I too Question
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2013 at 1:22 pm

My, my. Student might be a very 'old' student, or loaded up with lots of socialist academia propaganda. Of course Student might well be a political 'staffer' sitting in DC feeding our PW site with Obama propaganda.
And Janna, poor children get free medical services if their parents won't provide for them.
Tiny state of Mass was exercising state's right when Mass residents/DEM legislature voted it in. NOT so, when Congress,PELOSI's DEM House, and Reid's DEM Senate, wrote 2700 pages (2,600+ pages of crap, 2 decent things that could have been written on 2 pages, and Repubs were not allowed to see it per Pelosi's infamous 'you have to pass it to read it!!!!. Genius.
We have been 'free' people up to now, in choosing our medical philosophy. Supreme Court did not comment on care or philosophy, only that, because of the mandate was placed ON each person it is a TAX and taxes are legal (but Obama (alone) removed mandate recently for corporations and unions). We have thousands of bills that became 'legal' laws, but they are constantly changed, revised, i.e. women/minority voting, and overturned like prohibition. Legality is one thing, content is very different.
Obamacare is 'insurance', it is NOT medical 'care'.
In today's Wall Street Journal article 'UnitedHealth Culls Doctors From Plan. UnitedHealth, nation's largest provider of private managed Medicare Advantage plans has dropped thousands of doctors from its networks. Also, many private doctors are closing up shop.
Within two years all premiums will skyrocket for workers/payers (of course not for the free-riders). Many worker/payers in the Bay Area are very middle-class, will be subsidizing 45 other lower COL states. Obamacare collections will be through and managed by the IRS (hiring many thousands new IRS agents). IRS will use ONE-size-fits-all-the coutry charts. The Tusla couple making $91,000, and lives on the 16th hole(low COL & housing)will get subsidized by us in greater SF BayArea making $101,000. but have 2 long-commuter car payments, and highest house payments. The "chart" splits 'subsidies at $94,000. across 50 states. The ONLY, ONLY FAIR and JUST way to split free-riders from payers would be by ZIP code. IRS was always split by ZIP when we deducted off sales tax charts. A similr 'chart' of HOUSING costs, etc. would be a fair COL chart. Money mag always has a housing chart. Currently ms Pelosi & leader Reid have stuck us with one-size-country charts, which really screws Bay Area 'big-time'. Thanks to have-to-pass-it to read it xxxxty xxxx Pelosi !!!!! Either she's very, very stupid, or didn't read it.! Of course she's so far beyond rich, she knows her district is equally rich. She forget the rest of the struggling (chart-rich) in the greater Bay Area!! She needs a glimpse in reality.
So Janna and Student go right ahead living in your socialist fantasy about how all this sharing is so fair and just ..NOT either. Payer or free-rider, very Unjustly determined by WHERE you live. Watch the exodus from the Bay Area (then our prices will go down).


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2013 at 1:37 pm

"We have been 'free' people up to now, in choosing our medical philosophy."

Maybe you haven't heard of Medicare? I can't remember being 'free' to opt out of that. Seems like we all have to pay for it, whether we want to or not.


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Posted by I too Question
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Actually, I have 2 senior friends who do not have Medicare. It's something you apply for. I'm not advocating that, only to say, you are not 'required' to participate in the program. However, because of all the various government medical controls in obamacare there will be many various ripple effects throughout all medical care for all in the country.
Of course you can also pay a $98. PENALTY and not participate in Obamacare, which would be a contribution to the program.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2013 at 4:31 pm

"Actually, I have 2 senior friends who do not have Medicare."

I'm not saying you have to _use_ Medicare, I'm saying you have to _buy_ it. You have to pay Medicare taxes if you work (with few exceptions). It is very much analogous to Obamacare. You have to buy it, but you are free not to use it.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 17, 2013 at 8:45 am

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"What are the righties afraid of? The ACA's eventual success, as everyone knows it will be? Or do they simply like the idea of millions of families not having health insurance?"

Will the ACA be a success according to that standard? A February 2013 Congressional Budget Office report, forecasts that ACA will leave 36 million people uninsured by 2023. And as an unintended consequence of the ACA, there are now 5 million newly uninsured, people who have either been unable to access new plans through government websites, or who have looked and decided ACA isn't such a good deal after all. And if that isn't enough, thousands of working people are being reduced from full time to part time employees so that companies do not have to provide employee funded healthcare. And companies with less than 50 employees are choosing not to expand because under ACA they will then be responsible for providing healthcare.

The house vote last week to support the President's promise to let us keep our healthcare plans "if we like them" drew 39 democrats. Among them were local representatives Jerry McNerney and John Garamendi. A similar bill in the Senate is being proposed by democrat Senator Mary Landrieu.

Why is this happening? Why are democrats fleeing the president? Various press accounts suggest that since ACA is unpopular, many democrats running for reelection in 2014 will vote to make changes to ACA even if it cripples the program.

Perhaps the distasteful comments recently made by Congressman Eric Swalwell will eventually be seen as more applicable to the Affordable Care Act.
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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm

For me it all comes down to this>>>"If you like your plan you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period"

When a politician says something so unequivocal, yet at the same time writes the regulation in direct contradiction to that statement then it's time to flush it.

It was a LIE! It was done deliberately and with bad faith.

My family and I are a few of the million in California that lost our coverage through Blue Shield. I liked my coverage.

My new coverage is more expensive and has a higher deductible for services I/my family will never need.

All of this in the service of a lie. A lie that a few progressives on this board accept for no other reason then they voted for the person who spoke it.

Words fail.

Sincerely,

Dan




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Posted by Jill
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 17, 2013 at 6:37 pm

Not only did he say we can keep our plans, he said we can keep our doctors.

I am one of those who had my plan cancelled. Dan, like you I had a good plan that met my needs and now I have to pay for things I do not need, and it will cost more. In Alameda County there are only three insurance companies you can use if you are on an individual plan. The choices are less now. And it is near impossible to figure out which plans will cover your existing doctor. The insurance companies are in transition on their websites, but we are required to make a choice by December 15 or we will be without health insurance as of January 1. If I believe the websites of the insurance companies, there are no plans available for me that will cover my current doctors in Pleasanton. I am hoping that is incorrect but I will have to phone the insurance companies and the doctors offices in order to find out if there is a plan out there.

This experience has been so stressful and frustrating. Nobody really knows what is going on. The only people who are going to be happy are those who are having their insurance plans heavily subsidized by our tax dollars. If you are middle income or above, the new system sucks!


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 17, 2013 at 7:47 pm

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Actually, you are thinking of Medi-caid. Medi-cal (formerly Healthy Families) requires a premium from the insured every month. There are no co-pays , except for non-preventative care. I'm NOT surprised you are ignorant of that.

Parents "won't" pay??? What a joke. How about companies that refuse to provide healthcare? You worship capitalism at the expense of your fellow citizens. There hasn't been one position offered to my husband since 2008 that offered benefits. He's a highly skilled software architect and not one offered him anything other than contract work. That's the lovely free market you can't help but drool over. It's so great, yet it will never, ever provide for everyone, especially with greed as rampant as it is.

I think you righites need a wahhhhhbulance. You're pathetic.

Not feeling so special any more, poor babies!


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2013 at 8:25 pm

"He's a highly skilled software architect and not one offered him anything other than contract work. "

If he can fog a mirror with his breath these days, a software architect can get a job with health benefits and high pay.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm

"There hasn't been one position offered to my husband since 2008 that offered benefits. He's a highly skilled software architect and not one offered him anything other than contract work."

"Wahhhhhbulance" much?

Talk about pathetic...it is to laugh (said in my best french accent) :-)

Sincerely

Dan


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 17, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Poor lefty...not feeling special anymore.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 17, 2013 at 9:01 pm

John/Jill/Dan/Doug,

Doesn't matter how many names you use, you end up saying the same thing. Nobody believes you. Nobody believes your stories; nobody believes you're capable of anything other than holding a mirror to yourself and then calling everyone ELSE a liar. Your fixation on Swalwell's 'wet dream' comment is pretty pathetic. Get over it. You and your side lost, which makes you all losers. Try actually formulating something positive for the country rather than attempting to tear down that which has been voted upon and now stands as the law of the land. Oh, you don't care about the country? Didn't think so.

Hey, I've an idea! Why don't you talk about the problems with Romneycare in Massachoochoo?


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Posted by RJ
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 17, 2013 at 9:12 pm

Student/Janna;

You're right, we're all losers including yourself...you just haven't realized it yet. Janna, I hate to quote Sarah Palin but how's that Hope and Change thing working out for you and your husband? Obama's little experiment in Socialism is collapsing faster than most people expected. Since Socialism has failed globally I'm not quite sure why you think it will work here. Capitalism provided opportunities but it doesn't guarantee your individual success. We do have safety nets to help people through tough times; since your liberal-elitist heroes haven't been able to turn anything around, you might want to start demanding some changes...they seem to be doing quite well while you and many others continue to suffer...but that's exactly where they want you...begging for more handouts. Don't be such a sap. Or are you a shill?


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Posted by RJ
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 17, 2013 at 9:18 pm

Student,

If you weren't wearing blinders you would realize the Romney lost because he had no support from conservatives who had no use for his Socialist policies, primarily RomneyCare. Maybe he's that way because he was in Massachusetts and was willing to go that route to get elected. But most felt that he's just another elitist Socialist in country club clothes. No thanks. Hopefully you're a young student and will be footing the bill for my Social Security, ACA, and Medicare for many years to come.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 17, 2013 at 9:23 pm

Oh boy. Hoping RJ tells us all about how socialism has failed globally. Because I'M VERY CERTAIN RJ knows what he's talking about. Really. Please begin with Norway or Sweden, RJ, and go on from there! Or, simply change you name again and try some other extended link of sausage you've swallowed whole from Fox News. Oh, and no comments about that socialist experiment called Romneycare in Mass?

The only people you can hope to convince of anything you write would have to have an IQ lower than yourself. In that regard, I think you're wishing for that which is highly improbable.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 18, 2013 at 8:33 am

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"Doesn't matter how many names you use, you end up saying the same thing. Nobody believes you."

But people are now beginning to believe ACA opponents. Until now opponents could only predict the consequences of ACA. Now millions are experiencing the "benefits" and the press is accurately reporting them. Insurance companies are canceling policies because they do not comply with ACA requirements for coverage. There are now five million more newly uninsured solely because of ACA. Any insurance executive who misrepresented an insurance plan like was done by President Obama would be heading to jail.

Like private insurance plans, ACA is based on a basic business proposition that depends on healthy people signing up to pay the costs of older more costly customers. But those who have managed to sign up for ACA are not those young folks. They younger people don't think they need insurance right now and are choosing to pay the minimal annual penalty. So ACA will cost far more to tax payers than was predicted by the president.

As a result of the ACA, you can't keep your health care plan, you can't keep your doctor and many cant keep their jobs or work the number of hours they used to work before ACA. And by 2023 there will still be 30 million uninsured people in this country. So why are we being forced to go through this chaos?

This is becoming as disaster and Democrat politicians are beginning to flee from President Obama. While it would be tempting to say that the ACA is the gift that keeps on giving for Republicans, the sad reality is that millions of Americans are being negatively served by a poorly conceived and poorly implemented program.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 18, 2013 at 9:10 am

What happened to RJ? Oh, adopted another name? Okay, now it's Doug? So, Doug, based upon your confident claims, all backed by tediously compiled documentation, you must know really a lot about this. Perhaps you can tell us how ACA differs from Romneycare in Massachusetts. Other than the obvious that the ACA is being implemented at the federal level -- and will continue to be so, despite right wing hissy fits -- what are the substantial differences? Is Romneycare a massive failure? How has it been made to work? Why haven't the teapee-ers directed their venom at Mass? With your knowledge, answers to such questions should come pretty easily, no? Like RJ, you sound like a really knowledgeable fella. Help us out here!


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm

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When someone has nothing of substance to offer in rebuttal, useful tactics can be changing the subject completely, going off on a irrelevent tangent and/or attacking someone in a personal manner.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 18, 2013 at 3:43 pm

In other words, RJ/Doug, beyond dishing hyper-inflated claims and outright lies about the ACA, is unable to actually say anything factual about it. He has nothing but right wing media talking points, and his own lies.

C'mon, RJ/Doug, tell us why Romneycare, after some early stumbling blocks, has been such a success in Mass, while you say ACA can only be a dismal failure. Is it because the ACA is supported by that black man in the Oval Office? Unless you tell us otherwise, that is all we can surmise.

But, hey, since you're into telling us about how Obama composed the ACA, how Romney failed to get elected because he's a socialist, and other really interesting non-facts (lies), why don't you get really serious and tell us exactly why you feel the need to reference Swalwell's mention of 'wet dream'? What exactly do you find so offensive about that reference? Is it, too, like Romney, referencing socialism? C'mon, Doug/Dan/RJ. We find your remarks just soooooo illuminating. Here's your chance to educate us further.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 18, 2013 at 9:45 pm

Doug Miller is a registered user.

Allow me to restate and better explain my previous post:

When someone has nothing of substance to offer in rebuttal, useful tactics can be changing the subject completely, going off on a irrelevent tangent and/or attacking someone in a personal manner, making insults and hiding behind a false name.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 18, 2013 at 10:14 pm

Translated: When other posters ask you kindly for additional information about something you profess to know, one simply has to refuse to answer on grounds that such questions are not relevant or -- this is a good one, because the questioner doesn't provide his real name. As Cholo would say: BUSTED!!!

I'll give you another chance to respond, Doug. That you would put your 'real name' to some of your posts deserves Something, if not laughter.

You claim ACA is unworkable. I retorted: A similar kind of claim was made about Romneycare in Massachusetts. Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and concede that you're not the doofus who claimed Romneycare isn't worth talking about because Romney was a socialist. (One cannot make this stuff up.)

So, I'll ask again. What is it about ACA that convinces you that it cannot be made to work as Romneycare has successfully worked in Massachusetts? Please, sir, since you've read and thought about this issue so much, I kindly and most respectfully ask.

Oh, yes, and please kindly Sir tell us the nature of your objection to Swalwell's use of the term 'wet dream'. We await your response with eager anticipation.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 18, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Student/Jana,

Do you really expect us to believe that your "highly skilled software architect" husband can't get a job offering health benefits?


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:46 am

John,

>>>"Do you really expect us to believe that your "highly skilled software architect" husband can't get a job offering health benefits?"

Actually I believe it, but the reason why has nothing to do with his employers, the economy, the GOP, or ACA. :-)

Get it?

Dan


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 19, 2013 at 9:01 am

Doug Miller is a registered user.

When someone has nothing of substance to offer in rebuttal, useful tactics can be changing the subject completely, going off on a irrelevent tangent and/or attacking someone in a personal manner, making insults and hiding behind a false name.

This thread was opened to discuss the implosion that is commonly known as Obamacare. Today a new polls show the president at his lowest ratings ever, down in George W. Bush territory. Likewise, Obamacare is at its lowest rating. Almost twice as many Americans disapprove of the program as approve of it.

Can it be fixed? The website is likely the least of the problems. Today during congressional hearings it was reported that developers knew and reported internally that there were severe problems months before the October 1st launch date. Yet Secretary Sebelius continued to report that all was well with the roll out. She lied. And we all know that the President lied for at least three years regarding our ability to keep our plans and our doctors, "period". As a result of his lies, there are five million newly uninsured victims of Obamacare.

Early in October the White House announced that the website problems will be fixed by December 1st. Why would we believe that when there have been so many lies? And so yesterday to lower the bar for fixing the website, it announced that they will be happy if eventually only 20% of Obamacare applicants are unsuccessful in applying for coverage because "the systems is not designed to deal with the more complicated health insurance cases".

The bigger challenge is that the younger and healthier people are not applying for coverage. Obamacare needs these people to pay into the system to cover the older, less healthy people who are seeking coverage.

It only gets worse. Next year the employer mandate kicks in. The president delayed that feature for a year because so many more people will be affected. But early next year as employers decide to pay the penalty for not providing coverage and cancel employee provided coverage Obamacare and the president will become even more unpopular.

And can anyone explain why congressmen like Eric Swalwell who earn $174.000 a year are given an exemption from the full cost of Obamacare? The government will pay 75% of their Swalwell's costs. We have to pay all of our costs.

This is why democrats a fleeing from the president's position and supporting proposed legislation that will deal a mortal wound to Obamacare.


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Posted by fiasco
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2013 at 3:59 pm

AMS, purchased by CGI a few years ago, is the lead software vendor responsible for the non-working healthcare website. An interesting article about CGI Federal is here - Web Link


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 19, 2013 at 7:17 pm

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Correction to my previous post: According a Washington Post/ABC News poll announced today. 57% disapprove of the overall Obamacare program while 41% approve. The poll also reported that 65% are opposed to the individual mandate while 34% support the provision.
Web Link


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:03 pm

What the corporate media isn't telling Doug and others, is that about 15% of those who are dissatisfied with Obamacare are lefties, dissatisfied because it is not a single-payer scheme. Moreover, several polls have shown that a substantial majority of the public either likes the ACA or want to give it time to correct early roll-out snafus. So, as per usual, the corporate media and those, like Doug, willing to swallow the swill, want you to believe the ACA is sinking. It is not, and only just recently there has been a dramatic uptick in people signing up (this as predicted, based upon what we know of the identical program that has been in operation for several years now but which, Doug, and the other disingenuous types who want ACA to fail, are not honest enough to admit.

And what about Massachusetts? Doug still hasn't told us about how it has managed to work so smoothly. You'd think that if Doug really wanted to inform us, truthfully, about ACA that he'd offer up a helpful explanation of how it differs from Romneycare -- aside, that is, from the assurance he offered while under a different moniker that Romney is just another socialist.

But Doug doesn't have anything to educate us with. All he has is lies and distorted stats that imply that ACA is having difficulties that it won't eventually overcome. If he wanted to educate us, he wouldn't fall back on -- "Well, this thread is about Obamacare imploding, not about its pilot program that has worked so smoothly." Or, his victim card: "I'm not going to discuss it because a poster called me a name."

As for the handful of Dems in the House who voted recently for yet another repeal/overhaul/dismissal of the ACA, they know perfectly well that anything they vote for is going nowhere, because there has been no shift in the Senate, and, besides, Obama holds a veto card. Those Dems are politicking with their vote, playing to the dumb right-wingers in their districts who, like Doug, watch Fox News and begin to froth at the mouth when anything negative about the president is reported.

Still nothing on Doug's obsession with Swalwell's 'wet dream' reference. I might remind Doug, who claims to be so severely wedded to relevance, that he's the one who introduced Swalwell's scandalous language, and on this thread. So, Doug, what's the relevance? Oh, there isn't any? Well, why are you bringing up the 'wet dream' stuff yet again? You seem not to be able to get yourself past that. Care to elaborate? We need yet another laugh from you.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:06 pm

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In testimony before congress today, Obamacare official and Deputy Chief Information Officer Henry Chao reported that at least 40% of the ACA website has not yet been developed much less debugged! However we should all feel confident that the website will be fully functional by the end of next week according to a White House pledge made last month.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:09 pm

Doug Miller is a registered user.

When someone has nothing of substance to offer in rebuttal, useful tactics can be changing the subject completely, going off on a irrelevent tangent and/or attacking someone in a personal manner, making insults and hiding behind a false name.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:12 pm

What is Doug more obsessed with? His dream that Obamacare will fail? Or the 'wet dream' reference he continually reminds us was made by Swalwell? Oooooh, they're closely linked? They both involve wet dreams? Will Doug elaborate? We think not.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:41 pm

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Some of you are just vile and heartless and piggishly revel in peoples' hardships. Gross. We can all see how soulless and wicked you are, it oozes out of every post. I'm sure you're proud of yourselves, kicking people when they're down with your asinine arrogance. I've never seen people so resistant to common sense or listening when someone is telling you something. I guess the narrative in your head is too loud to listen to anyone else.

I'm sorry you are too dense to comprehend our experience with the software industry that took a crap in 2008, particularly where it was joined with the auto industry in my husband's case. How many of you responding are software engineers? Do you have personal knowledge of the industry? I can't tell you exactly why software jobs stopped offering benefits in 2008, but I can guess well. It's probably related to all the outsourcing to India and H1B Visas that were/still are being hugely utilized by all those unAmerican corporations too cheap to pay Americans to work.

I know you baggers love to hate on people who are struggling, but really, you want to pick on people who can't find steady jobs after how the economy was destroyed in 2008? Really? So you support outsourcing, cutting of benefits, and just generally offering less and less? Then you blame the individual. I can't wait until some of you have life happen to you. My husband was making six figures for several years before he was laid off in 2008. You still want to claim he's lazy or incompetent?

Please Dan, spell it out for me since you seem to know me and my situation better than I do. "Actually I believe it, but the reason why has nothing to do with his employers, the economy, the GOP, or ACA. :-)"

John, you are wrong. My husband worked for huge companies, they no longer offer benefits, because they only offer contracts. My husband also has a back injury and cannot commute long distances, nor sit in an office chair for hours on end, not that you'd see that as a factor, since you don't care. Things are not black and white like you baggers fantasize they are.

Please don't worry (as if any of you would)! My husband and I will be just fine. He's started an incubator consulting firm and the first influx of private investments is $2M coming in a couple of weeks. But hey, keep hatin' haters.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm

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Which of these Obamacare related facts is false?

President Obama on numerous occassions: "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it, period."

President Obama on numerous occassions: "If you like your doctor, you can keep him, period."

Five million Americans have recently lost their healthcare plans due to the implementation of Obamacare.

Since October 1st, according to the latest government data, about 26,000 Americans have signed up through the ACA website. Another 75,000 Americans have signed up via state websites.

According to Secretary Sebelius, it is possible that convicted felons may be employed by the government in assisting people with signing up for ACA plans.

There are numerous reports that security flaws exist in the ACA exposing customers to the loss of personal information.

In spite of ACA contractors reporting that the website would not be ready, Obama administration officials stated that the system would be ready on October 1st.

Congressmen like our own Eric Swalwell who earn $174,000 a year are exempt from paying 75% of the cost of their Obamacare coverage.

Many unions are about to receive an exemption for a portion of Obamacare costs.

While claiming that Obamacare is "the law of the land", the president routinely decides to make changes without congressional authorization. When he announced last week that he would allow insurance companies to reinstate cancelled policies for one more year, when house passed a law to the same effect, the President said he would veto that law.

Democrat Senator Mary Landrieu is sponsoring a similar bill in the US Senate.

Polls show that a growing majority of Americans to not support Obamacare.

ANSWER: None of these are false.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm

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Student, you deserve major props for wading through the muck that is the mind of baggers with such perseverance. I can see you don't tolerate b.s. any more than I do. Thanks for that.

They've obviously got nothing considering the vigor with which they've come back at us.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Interesting standard that Doug exemplifies for progress....it must be perfect first time out or it is no good. Is this how past innovators worked to make progress in this country? Just give up when something goes wrong? Seems so unAmerican Doug, not the spirit in which so many before us lived by, the very people who made this country great. I keep wondering why you don't post that more should be working to solve the issue rather than do all they can to defeat any work our President is doing. Isn't that how your generation was raised? Today you seem more about 'winning' than working to find solutions. Kicking those that are down and then blaming them for societies troubles. Seems to me it is defining your generation that used to be known for very different ethics and values, what a legacy to leave.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm

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Here is another fact. According to the Congressional Budget Office with Obamacare in effect, there will still be 30 million uninsured by 2023. Apparently some would rather take a government promise and disregard the real devastation that is being wrought by Obamacare.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2013 at 9:14 pm

"How many of you responding are software engineers? Do you have personal knowledge of the industry?"

I am, and yes I have. I've been in the industry for 20+ years now.

"I can't tell you exactly why software jobs stopped offering benefits ..."

The market for software engineers, architects, engineering managers, and the like has recovered vigorously since 2008. Check the listings. There are plenty of local ones. SAP, Workday, Oracle, and Epicore are just a few within 10 miles, and all are offering excellent benefits. I haven't seen a market this good for software since the late nineties.

"You still want to claim he's lazy or incompetent?"

No, he needs to send is resume out. What kind of software does he do?


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 19, 2013 at 9:50 pm

Janna,

>>>"Please Dan, spell it out for me since you seem to know me and my situation better than I do."

OK.

As a person who hires and fires I can tell you that there are mainly 2 reasons why I don't hire contractors as FTE: 1. budget constraints and 2.) contractor did not cut the mustard, period. Not being gainfully employed since 2008 when we've gone through booms in both the social networking and mobile networking markets while being a SW engineer is questionable. Just saying.
Your blaming the company or outsourcing shows a victims mentality that I can't and won't explain back to you. Buck up, support him and stop whining.

Oh and enjoy the $2m private investment/equity, Janna. You probably don't realize how perfectly ironic it is to know that your husband is taking his first steps towards career and healthcare self-sufficiency based on the back of pure capitalism. The same capitalism that you have selectively railed against. Positively delicious idi0cy.

Done with you on this topic.

Sincerely,

Dan




Paul,

You excuse the website



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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 19, 2013 at 10:17 pm

Paul,

You are confusing perfection of a website with perfection of a policy. In this case, both are terrible. And if it is as bad as MOST (not just Fox) media outlets are reporting now, just wait until the employer mandate kicks in. Then you're really going to see the poo-poo hit the fan

You (and Janna/Student and other ACA supporters) have not responded to ONE POINT that Doug Miller so aptly documented.

It's really simple. Specifically:

1. Do we get to keep our plans if we like them?
2. Do we get to keep our doctors if we like them?

Or how about...

3. Will I see a reduction in premiums of $2500 per year?

Look man, we know the answers to all above. Its just that I don't like to be lied to by someone who is supposedly the leader of the United States, Democrat or Republican; white or black.

They (the democrats) KNEW that if they told us the truth that this scam of a bill would have never passed. THEY LIED!

And I have nothing but contempt for the apologists of liars.

So, here's the money question: Do you support being lied to or not?

Sincerely,

Dan


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 19, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Doug Miller said "...there will still be 30 million uninsured by 2023."

Paul/Janna/Student will respond "...but tea-baggers...!!!"

LOL, so predictable!!

BTW Doug, I think that number will be here sooner than 2023. Look at the almost comical (and restated) changes they make to relatively simple unemployment numbers every month.

Like I said earlier, wait until the employer mandate kicks in next year. There's a reason they pushed it out another year.

Dan


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2013 at 10:29 pm

I guess you were posting regularly here during the war with Iraq based on your post- what was the line...Weapons of mass destruction? Big difference though, that lie led to thousands of American deaths. Im not responding to the repetitive cut and pastes from Fox News, just pointing out the character that is defining the posters loud and clear. If at first you dont succeed, just complain, blame,and revel in the 'win'- such an example for our kids.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 19, 2013 at 11:03 pm

Paul>>> "I guess you were posting regularly here during the war with Iraq based on your post- what was the line...Weapons of mass destruction? Big difference though, that lie led to thousands of American deaths."

Ahhh, good ole' deflection, strawman and moral equivalency. And completely undeserving of reasoned response.

>>>"Im not responding to the repetitive cut and pastes from Fox News"

...says the genius who has yet to respond to any substantive point that has been made regarding IYLYPYCKI or IFLYDYCKH.

Just say this out aloud: "I like being lied to!"

Dan


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 20, 2013 at 1:25 am

The majority of Doug/Dan/RJ's claims are demonstrably false. In order to sufficiently refute them, we'd have to know where precisely there is documentation that supports the lies and distortions that you've presented, straight out of the Fox News echo machine, as fact.

We'd also appreciate some explanation as to how the prototype of ACA in Massachusetts, after some early stumbles (not unlike the ACA), is working as smoothly as it is. Does this mean millions of Massachoochooists are soon going to be without health care? Does this mean millions of Massachoochooists have lost their doctors and insurers?

Please cease with the drama. You're either a frothing at the mouth Fox News devotee or you're a creepy liar in the service of fanatical Obama hatred. Since they are not at all mutually exclusive, and since we've had ample doses of your slop on other sites, I'd bank on both.

Now, go think up another name to post under in which you make the same claims without addressing anyone's critical comments.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 20, 2013 at 7:46 am

>>>"The majority of Doug/Dan/RJ's claims are demonstrably false."

Here ya go, straight from his mouth.

Web Link

What!! You mean the particular video at whitehouse.gov doesn't work you say?? That's odd.

Well here is the lie again:

Web Link

5m have already lost their insurance including me, AND I LIKED MY INSURANCE!

So...demonstrate how it is false or forever remain ignored for the f0ol that you are.

Dan


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 20, 2013 at 10:11 am

Doug Miller is a registered user.

"As for the handful of Dems in the House who voted recently for yet another repeal/overhaul/dismissal of the ACA, they know perfectly well that anything they vote for is going nowhere, because there has been no shift in the Senate, and, besides, Obama holds a veto card. Those Dems are politicking with their vote, playing to the dumb right-wingers in their districts who, like Doug, watch Fox News and begin to froth at the mouth when anything negative about the president is reported."

The author of this paragraph is talking about local Democrat congressmen Jerry McNerney and John Garmendi and 37 other house democrats who voted to support President Obama's decision to let insurance companies continue to offer cancelled plans for another year. Congressman Eric Swalwell voted no.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 20, 2013 at 11:06 am

So, Dan,

You're a guy who can afford to live in Bridle Creek but who bought rural Mississippi health coverage. Who'd have thought you'd be stupid enough to do that? Aren't you next going to tell us that your yesterday's $1200 per year insurance cost has now been raised to $72,000? Or have you already claimed that using another moniker?

But cheer up, Dan. You see, Obama and his team are working hard in order to make sure you can once again have rural Mississippi coverage. Then you'll have a new tree to bark at -- namely, how Obama is acting tyrannically by forcing health companies to retrieve those bags of insurance junk that people living in high-priced housing districts were too stupid to realize gave them no insurance at all.

Doug, what can I say? I feel sorry for you. Who needs Pavlov's dog when the Republican Party has folks like yourself who are willing to buy into every lie and twisted piece of information Fox News puts out there. Asked for evidence for your claims, you offer nothing. Asked for contextual explanation as to what your claims mean, you can only repeat your twisted facts like a parrot. Asked if you've thought about how your purported facts square with other facts, you remain silent. Hey, I've got an idea! Why don't you post again and simply post the misinformation you posted earlier? Atta boy!


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 20, 2013 at 11:30 am

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"As for the handful of Dems in the House who voted recently for yet another repeal/overhaul/dismissal of the ACA, they know perfectly well that anything they vote for is going nowhere, because there has been no shift in the Senate, and, besides, Obama holds a veto card. Those Dems are politicking with their vote, playing to the dumb right-wingers in their districts who, like Doug, watch Fox News and begin to froth at the mouth when anything negative about the president is reported."

The author of this paragraph is talking about local Democrat congressmen Jerry McNerney and John Garmendi and 37 other house democrats who voted to support President Obama's decision to let insurance companies continue to offer cancelled plans for another year. Congressman Eric Swalwell voted no.

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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 20, 2013 at 11:48 am

So, Doug, what doya think of your pal, Dan the Man? The guy lives in a high-priced housing district but has been getting substandard health insurance because he's such a tightwad. Now he's complaining about having lost his substandard insurance. Surely he recognized that, with his substandard policy, were he to get sick his insurance wouldn't cover him, the tax payers would have to instead. Yet, Dan the Man, you know, the guy who posts using several different monikers on the same thread, is first to carp about how 'poor people' are a drain upon the system. You guys are a couple of real peaches. Keep up the good work.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 20, 2013 at 11:57 am

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When someone has nothing of substance to offer in rebuttal, useful tactics can be changing the subject completely, going off on a irrelevent tangent and/or attacking someone in a personal manner, making insults and hiding behind a false name.


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Posted by Student
a resident of Birdland
on Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 pm

We'll all take this as your concession speech, Doug. You have nothing to say.


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 20, 2013 at 12:11 pm

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According to the Congressional Budget Office with Obamacare in effect, there will still be 30 million uninsured by 2023.
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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm

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"According a Washington Post/ABC News poll announced today. 57% disapprove of the overall Obamacare program while 41% approve. The poll also reported that 65% are opposed to the individual mandate while 34% support the provision."
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I must post a correction to this story. It seems like everyday these numbers change. For the worse. According to a new poll today, 61% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare a drop of 10 points in one month. Now by a ration of two to one, Americans disapprove of Obamacare.
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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Nov 20, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Student,

"Blah, blah blah...Mississippi...blah, blah, blah..."

What a well reasoned argument. Is that all you got?<<<That there is what you might call - sarcasm - if you didn't get it.

You're literally too stup1d to insult.<<<Intentionally misspelled.

Sincerely,

Dan


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Posted by Doug Miller
a resident of Country Fair
on Nov 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm

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"As for the handful of Dems in the House who voted recently for yet another repeal/overhaul/dismissal of the ACA, they know perfectly well that anything they vote for is going nowhere, because there has been no shift in the Senate..."

Really!!!!

Today the eight Democrat senator announced plans to support a bIll that is similar to one passed in the house last week. It would allow Americans to keep the health insurance plans that they liked but were recently cancelled. Senator Diane Feinstein is one of those eight senators. Surprisingly, she is not up for reelection next year. Each day both houses seem to get nearer to a veto proof majority.
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Posted by Dr Tom
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 7, 2014 at 5:53 pm

It's not a matter of opinion. Fact: I voted twice for Obama. Fact: just about everything he promised was a lie. Fact: i'll give the Independent party a chance this time, maybe even Republican. Liberal ideals mostly consist of encouraging the underpriveledged to use the government to make up the difference. And who except Obama or Orwell would think of making healthcare programs administered by the IRS?


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Posted by Formerly Dan from BC
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:52 am

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Another extension to the small business mandate:

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What a monumental failure. Any defenders of the ACA (OBAMACARE!!!) want to take this on?

Sincerely,

Dan


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