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Principal Banning Parents from Entering Pleasanton School Grounds?

Original post made by What?, Mohr Elementary School, on Sep 28, 2012

Can anyone from any other elementary school comment as to whether parents have been BANNED from school campuses when they are dropping off children at 8:15 AM or whether this is just happening at Mohr Elementary? I can't believe 6 and 7 year olds at other elementary schools are being dropped off at curbside!!

I looked at the principal's website and from the postings (that have not been answered yet), it looks like other parents have been given the boot (like I was this morning) as well:

"I would like clarification on the school's policy for times permitted to walk through your school grounds. I was just told this morning that I could not walk through the school common area after having dropped off my son at your school. Are parents also not allowed to walk through your school grounds on their through your school grounds on their way to drop children off? You may have mentioned this policy in your annual introduction talk at the beginning of the school year but I cannot remember the details."
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Posted by It's on the website
a resident of Amador Estates
on Sep 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm

It's on the PUSD website

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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Sep 28, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Yes, we were told about it. Our daughter goes to the late-start staggered session at Lydiksen Elementary, and we drop her off at the children loading/unloading curb right in front of the gate.

We were told that the restriction is in place for safety reasons. They don't want unknown adults walking around on school grounds in the middle of school hours for obvious reasons. So for our daughter's late-start arrival the school is already in session so we're not supposed to enter school grounds. However, since the entire school has been dismissed for the day when it is time to pick her up, we are free to enter school grounds. I believe that the situation is vice-versa for early-start parents: OK to enter school grounds to drop off their kids, but have to wait outside the gates in order to pick up their children.

I have no problem with the rule since it is there for the safety of my daughter as well as all other children. Of course, we could avoid this rule altogether if the schools had sufficient funds to eliminate early- and late-start sessions so that all children start and end their school day at the same time.


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Posted by hmmm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm

"Of course, we could avoid this rule altogether if the schools had sufficient funds to eliminate early- and late-start sessions so that all children start and end their school day at the same time."

They do. Implementing staggered reading did not save the district money, it was a choice.

A point regarding funding: From the board meeting last night, it sounds like the State owes our school district millions of dollars. Perhaps the focus should be on getting this money back. There is no point in giving the state more money for education if they are allowed to withhold it and spend it on other things. That is what they do.

So the overpaid prison guards and the able bodied guy next door who refuses to work at "menial" jobs since he gets decent money from the gov't. They are paid for out of the general fund, which is not fulfulling it's obligations to schools because they are unwilling / unable to negotiate with the unions or look at our generous welfare provisions and try to hone them in on people who actually need help. Think about this the next time you vote.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 28, 2012 at 1:27 pm

It isn't on the PUSD website, and my question and the questions on the website at Mohr are about prior to the school day beginning.

This is not parents walking on campus in the *middle* of the school day or to bring late start children to school, but at the very beginning of school prior to 8:15 AM and prior to classes beginning.

What other elementary schools don't allow parents on campus PRIOR to the start of classes (8:15 AM) in the morning?


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Sep 28, 2012 at 2:50 pm

"This is not parents walking on campus in the *middle* of the school day or to bring late start children to school, but at the very beginning of school prior to 8:15 AM and prior to classes beginning. What other elementary schools don't allow parents on campus PRIOR to the start of classes (8:15 AM) in the morning?"

I don't know. I'm pretty sure that the early-start at Lydisksen isn't like that and as I've said we're free to walk onto the campus to pick up our daughter at the end of her late-start session.


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Posted by me
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 pm

hmmm replied as follows:
"Of course, we could avoid this rule altogether if the schools had sufficient funds to eliminate early- and late-start sessions so that all children start and end their school day at the same time."

They do. Implementing staggered reading did not save the district money, it was a choice"

I believe that this policy is in direct response to the budget situation....
if the class size was not increased to to 30 kids per class from 20... they would not have had to implement the staggered start program at all.

So while staggered start isn't saving the district money in the most technical sense, it would have not been implemented if there was enogh funds to allow smaller class sizes.

We have been in school just around a month. It is time to let the kids walk into class by themselves. They can do it.. it is confidence building for them and good for mom (or dad) to let them do it on their own.


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Posted by Get over it
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 28, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Get over it, if you lived on the East coast where there are No Exterior hallways you could never walk your kid to the door or stake out the staff for unscheduled meetings and reports. The kids are safer this way and the staff can get their work done. And No I'm not a teacher so get over it already.
The kids can do it alone and some parents just need to let go once in a while.


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Posted by hmmm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm

I sort of agree me. But they did not HAVE to make this decision, they chose to.

They decided that 45 minutes of instruction with a smaller class would be better than an hour and a half of instruction with a bigger class. Maybe they are right, maybe not. Let's see how it goes. Teachers are saying to the kids that they don't have time for "xxx" this year, so they are missing things in the 45 minutes being given up, but hopefully it's worth it.

Another possible choice was to teach bigger class sizes, but divide by assessed level in reading and math. That was a decision not taken. There are choices here even with the financial situation.

The remarks about "if a parcel tax had passed this never would have happened" are the ones I have issue with. A parcel tax would have had to be for much more money than was asked to have classes at 20-1 or even remain at 25-1. And when you see the board members talk about the various things needed for schools, you know that not all parcel tax money would be dedicated to CSR, not even close. So it is very unlikely that the last parcel tax, which I did support, would have made any difference to class sizes or the staggered reading decision.

I would like the community to talk about real solutions rather than finger pointing at impossible ones like the last parcel tax, where the people hired to survey were doing a tick the box routine and asking leading questions.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I think a parcel tax would have to be several hundred dollars a year just to have classes at 20-1, excluding anything else.


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Posted by Typical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 28, 2012 at 7:25 pm

Another example of low level "professionals" not understanding what it means to be a parent. Listen, they are my children and I will do whatever I damn well please with them. Just try to stop me from walking them to class, I dare you.


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Posted by MOM
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 29, 2012 at 2:47 pm

What is the visitor policy at the schools, say if you came on campus to volunteer etc.?
Maybe if you want to be on campus during school hours you should stop in the office and sign in and get a visitor tag?

To Typical... they are your children and you can do what you want but when you are on DISTRICT property, you have to follow DISTRICT rules.
And you'd set a better example for your children if you followed the rules. LOL.. otherwise I can't wait till your teenager tells you they are getting piercings and tattoos and it is their body so they can do whatever they damn well please with it. Just try to stop them.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 30, 2012 at 12:43 am

Actually, I learned recently that:

+ even though the principal said the District prohibited students from being assigned to teachers at registration in the whole school district, this was not true. Only Mohr failed to assign students to teachers and hand the teacher assignments to parents at registration.

+ there is no District rule saying parents can't be on the school campus prior to the school day. Parents are free to walk on any campus prior to the school day to take their children to their class or to the on-site day care or Kids Club.


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Posted by Typical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2012 at 2:07 am

@MOM

Yes, I will follow all rules, no matter how degrading .... I will be a good slave. I will not question authority, even when it comes to the saftey and health of my children. I will allow government employees to tell me what to do at all times and I will follow their rules. I will be a good slave.

And why do you think I would want to stop my teens from tattooing or piercing themselves? It IS their body and they can do what they want with it. It's usually MY money though....


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Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2012 at 11:24 am

I'm sure you have heard about this incident just a week ago in San Mateo- Web Link A man hid in the bathroom and accosted a 9 yr old. Now they are locking the campus.

At some point I hope this community stops the confrontational attitude, and actually listens to those who care deeply about the education and safety of the children. The insults and bully tactics from the parents is something I see being passed on to the children- "I don't have to do what I'm told" attitude is not something to be valued in our schools. If this is the route you are encouraging or pursuing to fight against, then we will be having a much greater issue to deal with.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Can anyone explain if the headmaster of Mohr actually ever was the principal of Mt. Eden High School in Hayward. Yesterday people exploring the neighborhood around the new Cameron Park subdivision said to us in the park that they were from Hayward and that they can't remember him being principal or vice principal?

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Was he really a principal or vice principal at Mt. Eden High School

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District names new VPs for Amador

Fobert comes to Pleasanton from the Hayward Unified School District where he was previously vice principal of Mt. Eden High School. Before entering school administration, he taught history and instrumental music at Mt. Pleasant High School in San Jose.

--Rebecca Guyon

The prospective home buyers said the principal and vice principals of Mt. Eden High school were the following people and the SARC from Hayward Unified supports this.

Principal
Mr. John Davini

Associate Principals:
Ms. Connie Spinato (A-GL)
Ms. Anne Scurr (Go-O)
Ms. Dolores Connors (P-Z)

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John Davini was listed as principal in the SARC, not Fobert.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 30, 2012 at 8:49 pm

The 2005 to 2006 SARC from Hayward Unified also lists Davini as the Principal of Mt. Eden High School in Hayward, not Fobert. Fobert on Linked In says he was Principal at Mt. Eden High School, but the Hayward Unified Mt. Eden High School SARC says John Davini was the principal. Web Link


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Posted by raised 3 kids
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2012 at 9:00 am

Typical, you are such a common example of the Pleasanton helicopter parents. Get over yourself. My kids WALKED to school, about 6 blocks, every day. I walked with them for most of their first year, then they walked together after that. It is not necessary for parents to drive their kids to school and then walk them up to the classroom door. What is so wrong with you that you cannot get past your severe attachment disorder and allow your kids to function as real humans?


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Oct 1, 2012 at 9:51 am

"Raised 3 kids," you mean you had 3 children simultaneously in K-5 at the same time walking 6 blocks to school to Mohr Elementary? Which 6 blocks? I don't think it would be Mohr Elementary, because 6 blocks down Stoneridge Drive would land you in a neighborhood West of Santa Rita and put you in the Alisal attendance area or if East, put you outside city limits and 6 blocks south would also put you also in the Alisal attendance area. Please provide a description of this 6 block route on Google Maps. 6 blocks north would put you in the Fairlands attendance area. Did your kids swing with ropes over the Arroyo Mocho or swim or paddle with a boat over it? Can't wait to see your 6 block route.


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Posted by raised 3 kids
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2012 at 10:54 am

Where did I say that my kids went to Pleasanton schools? We did not live here then. I am merely commenting on the excessive helicoptering of Pleasanton parents.


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Posted by lemon shuffle
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Oct 1, 2012 at 11:17 am

Walk your kids to class, folks. Seems like Fauxbert was moved from AVHS to Mohr shortly after it came to light that he was using cameras to film videos on the AVHS campus and broadcasting them. The lemon shuffle is the term used in the school system to shuffle staff from one school to another.

Here is one of the videos. He knocks over a special needs child so that the special needs boy falls to the gym floor while Fauxbert is doing a basketball move. He goes into a darkened room with girls with a flashlight while rapping to his music video "gotta keep it clean or else I'll see." Then at the end he chases a boy going over a fence, then hurls him to the concrete. Here is the youtube video Web Link


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm

To "lemon shuffle",

Do you honestly not have anything better to do than look up youtube videos of principals? Really? If you look at this video, you can easily see that this is a fun, "joke" video. He is not pushing a special needs kid on the basketball court, it's all done in fun. Going into a dark room with girls? I think it's the gym and that's where the dances take place and I would think that they have flashlights to monitor the kids since yes it is dark, it's a dance! This is a fun video that Mr. Fobert did with students. You are looking for stuff to stir up.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Anyone who makes fun of children with disabilities by knocking them over is mean-spirited even if it is a 'joke video.' My nephew has Down Syndrome, and this video both offends and disturbs me.

I am also disturbed that the August 7, 2006 edition of the Oakland Tribune and Hayward newspaper has an article called Veteran of Mt. Eden quits after 27 years written by Katy Murphy. It says:

"John Davini is hardly emblematic of the principal turnover problem in Hayward. He led Mt. Eden High School for 27 years, outlasting about 10 superintendents. But Davini, 58, made a surprise decision this summer. He decided to retire from his post and take a job as director of human resources at St. Rose Hospital in Hayward.
....But King and other teachers said they were relieved that Mt. Eden's associate principal, Anne Scurr, was named interim principal of the school. Scurr, who taught everything from English to cheerleading at Mt. Eden for 27 years before becoming an administrator four years ago, said she plans to be "highly visible, and have all administrators be visible." "

There is no mention in that article that Fobert was ever headmaster of Mt. Eden High School.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 1, 2012 at 5:29 pm

Concerned said: "Anyone who makes fun of children with disabilities by knocking them over is mean-spirited even if it is a 'joke video.' My nephew has Down Syndrome, and this video both offends and disturbs me."

Gee, "Concerned", for someone who habitually throws scorn and vitriol on others in these forums, you sure do have a surprisingly thin skin. You need to lighten up.


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Posted by Fobert
a resident of Amador Estates
on Oct 1, 2012 at 7:35 pm

This whole thing sounds fishy. Why the sudden change at the school with parents on campus


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2012 at 9:13 pm

How do you know it is a special needs student? I can't tell by the video. It does not appear to be a special needs student. This video looks like it was done by students. If you are that concerned about it, why don't you contact the school district and ask about it instead of complaining on a blog.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Oct 1, 2012 at 9:49 pm

This explains alot. How many ustream channels and various blogs and social network accounts can *one* person possibly have including streaming videos to Japan? Must take up whole rooms full of servers. And 2,189 youtube videos watched?

No wonder the Mohr principal hadn't assigned students to teachers by registration and parents had to go not one, but three times to the school to pick up the info regarding what teacher was assigned. Would be hard to fit in real work during all the blogging and video time.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 1, 2012 at 11:16 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

What the heck?! Pleasanton students have a bit of creative fun with their VP by making a neat video for some project and all you can do is distort it to make personal attacks?


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Posted by joanna
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 3, 2012 at 10:10 am

"Typical", "Concerned", "Lemon shuffle", and "What"--I believe you are the same nut. Let the kids breathe. I think they are right to keep you off campus--you sound crazy! Feel sorry for your kids.


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Posted by adjacent to Cameron Place
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 3, 2012 at 11:44 am

Mohr Park-Concerned, the development is called Cameron Place, not Cameron Park. I live directly behind there. Fobert attempted to 'counsel' the parents of Mohr on how to raise children without any nurturing and without parent involvement in his so-called 'Parenting Book Club' where he pontificated about psychology and psychiatry.

How would parents dropping their kids off to class in anyway interfere with district staff getting their work done? The only downside is that parents would see certain staff with internet addictions 'surfin' the net.'

Wouldn't be surprised if he is posting the helicopter parent and various other posts. Let the 5 years olds walk 6 blocks themselves! Yes, absolutely!

Ponderosa is the developer and maybe they can get the new housing plot mapped for pupils to attend Alisal. There is widespread knowledge that Fobert did not have class assignments available at walk-through regtr this year. Plots will sell faster.


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Posted by MOM
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2012 at 12:33 pm

This thread has taken multiple turns.
Is this issue that parents are not allowed to walk their children to class (those that are late-arriving for staggered start) or is it an underlying issue with the principal?

I can understand why the school/district wants to limit random adults on campus after school has started. They need to control people on campus for safety and to limit disruptions. Can't they have you sign in at the office like any other visitor would do? Or issue passes that you keep and wear to drop off your child?

I've raised three kids (not here) and while I agree that you accompany them to the school grounds, I don't see why you have to walk them to the classroom door. My kids all rode the bus and were perfectly able to get to classrooom on their own. DO you think if they need to go to the office or nurse or library that an adult is taking them these places? I doubt it. Pronbably another student goes with them.

Is the issue that school is not safe? Really? Can you work with the school to come up with a solution? Can the students wait together till school starts and walk to their classroom in a group.

It would be much more productive to form a group and address the issues with the school in a rationale manner than to keep posting all this hatred on the PW.

It is starting to sound to me that the underlying issue is with the principal. If that is true, then have a meeting with someone that can make a difference. Can a group of parents or pta meet with the principal to discuss concerns or meet with the district.

Be the change you want to see.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Oct 3, 2012 at 2:26 pm

I originally started the thread to ask why parents, like dogs and skateboards and soda sales, were now banned from walking on campus at Mohr at the beginning of school.

The replies mainly concerned children being accosted in a bathroom (from Be Positive), accusations that Mohr parents have "severe attachment disorder" which from Google seems to be some sort of syndrome common in children adopted from orphanages like in Romania..no I did not adopt my child from a Romanian orphanage (from Raised 3 Kids).

Get Over It said parents "stakeout" school staff for unscheduled meetings prior to the beginning of school. I've never seen that nor do I know what staking out school staff actually means. Online, it says the meaning of stakeout is:
stake·out   [steyk-out]
noun
1.the surveillance of a location by the police, as in anticipation of a crime or the arrival of a wanted person.
2.the place from which such surveillance is carried out.

Viewing parents as some sort police or law enforcement agency or SWAT team and teachers as some sort of wanted persons seems extreme to me.

Does anyone know of any 9 year olds being accosted in bathrooms like the posting from Be Positive? What is this bathroom issue even about? What the heck? I haven't heard of any 9 year olds accosted in bathrooms in Pleasanton unless the District has covered it up. Does anyone know?


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Posted by hmmm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2012 at 4:14 pm

What? you are going too far. There have been incidents in other school districts, so it is worthwhile to have a policy regarding when and where adults are allowed at the school. During school hours of course they should be cleared and vetted by the police as per the volunteer policy.

This conversation is about just before school starts. You think it's safer to walk your child to the door. Other parents think it's safer if there are not a bunch of adults around on campus as it's hard to track who is authorized and who isn't. They are both valid points of view.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 3, 2012 at 5:18 pm

"What" said: "I originally started the thread to ask why parents, like dogs and skateboards and soda sales, were now banned from walking on campus at Mohr at the beginning of school."

It should be apparent by now that this is not the practice followed at other elementary schools in Pleasanton. Why don't you go walk into the main office at Mohr elementary and ask them why they are apparently the only elementary school in Pleasanton that prohibits parents from walking on the campus before the beginning of school? Go on. It's a legitimate question.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Oct 3, 2012 at 5:30 pm

The school district has to abide by the law and individual principals or school boards can't make up its own rules without a statute supporting it. Dogs and skateboards aren't allowed on school grounds because there is a law. There is no law banning parents from school grounds prior to school. Since there is no law in place, parents cannot be prosecuted for trespassing on school property by walking on public school property to walk their children to school.

Hmmmm at your school

1) is no off-street driveway drop-off or U shaped drop off on school property but only on-street drop-off?
2) are regular mountain lion sightings and alerts in the area?
3) is it located next to several quarries?


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Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm

What? - I assume from your questions that you did not read the press release that I spoke of, so Im posting it again to solve your confusion. Web Link

Our parent community is working with our principal to make the new policies work, we have a very positive and supportive climate at our school- makes all the difference.


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Posted by What?
a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Oct 3, 2012 at 9:37 pm

The link you provided isn't a PUSD press release, nor is it a press release. It is a KTVU news story about Bradley Mrazek and Parkside Elementary School in San Mateo County. Please forward a link to the announcement from the PUSD Communications Office which indicates that all Pleasanton campuses have been locked and that there have been changes to parents dropping off students procedures prior to the school day based on this event in San Mateo County.


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Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm

What? are you talking about- no where did I say that PUSD is now locking their campus because of this event. I simply posted it since you were ranting about why a school would be locked. I said "I'm sure you have heard about this incident just a week ago in San Mateo..." I curious as to why you now choose to twist my words?

There has been numerous notifications, e-connects, principal coffees, and most important, our principal visible every day during drop off and pick up for any questions or concerns we may have. This is a not a controversial issue at our school.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2012 at 10:30 pm

To what? No to 1, 2 and 3 at our school! Have you talked to your principal? How did things work last year? Why the change this year? We have an on site drop off area so it is different.


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Posted by Ben Fobert
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 4, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Visit fobertreport.blogspot.com for up to date information about school procedures, information and updates. All are welcome to call on the principal if they have questions or concerns. Oftentimes individuals are mistaken about information, and these forum comments are no exception.
Aloha!
Show your Eagle Pride.
Ben Fobert


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Posted by What?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2012 at 9:28 am

Look at your blog? What does that have to do with district policy. I think the reports in this blog and the information that the principal has put out before is grey. This blog is a huge red flag on how Pleasanton does not do any follow up on principals when they take over a school.
Ask any teacher at Amador most of the time you will not get positive feed back about Fobert.


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Posted by Amador Teacher
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2012 at 8:15 pm

I actually teach at Amador and can tell you that Mr. Fobert is very well liked and respected the teachers on our staff. I'm shocked that you can find a teacher who would say otherwise.


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Posted by beenthere
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm

regarding,
"staking the teachers for unscheduled meetings" - good luck with that. many of the teachers (not all) show up at start and rush off wtih the final bell. impossible to schedule meetings because they are off picking up kids or coashing or whatever. never mind that they claim to do lesson plans or correct homework. i know that is not accurate because classmates correct homework and the lesson plans are given to them (or should be) in August.

the no parent on campus rule is just another way to get the parents out of the picture so they can be totally unaccountable for the education of our children.


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Posted by Update
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 8, 2012 at 8:26 am

Is there any update to this situation.


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Posted by Ben Fobert
a resident of Mohr Park
on Nov 9, 2012 at 11:46 am

Update...I'm not sure which update you are wanting, but if you have any specific questions about visitors on campus, please contact the principal. I am more than willing to answer any questions about our procedures here at school.


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Posted by Carrie
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm

It is happening everywhere! I am from Rockwall, Texas and we were banned from entering our elementary school unless you have an appointment! We were told that there would be members of the KC club (whom are 6th graders) that would stand there in the morning and assist with drop off. So in other words us parents are to drive up to the curb at the cafeteria and allow a 6th grader whom we don't know, get our children from the cars and they are supposed to make sure that our children get into the building!! First of all I think that is way too much responsibility to put on any 6th grader! Second of all I have every right to drop in on my child in school! I am livid and appalled that they can get away with this!!!!!


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