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We are, indeed, TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY ! ! !

Original post made by jimf01 on Sep 19, 2012

NO on Prop 30! This is JUST federal Income taxes. Consider all of the other ways in which you are taxed, double taxed, even triple taxed. Yes triple taxed. Through the simple action of having a job, a savings account, and making a taxable purchase, something many of us do daily! You are taxed on your income, taxed on any interest you earn on your savings, and taxed a third time if you use that money to make a taxable purchase.
And when you make a purchase, you are paying an additional pass through tax, in the form of corporate taxes, the US has the HIGHEST rates in the world. Do the corporations have a magic tax account that money shows up in? No, that is factored in to the price you pay for the product. You, the customer, pays their taxes.

And all of the fees that have gone into effect and/or increased. College fees for students, fees to use parks, waterways, hunt, fish, court fees (gotten a ticket lately? ), etc, etc.

California, you know we already pay some of the highest taxes in the country, now the Governor wants us to approve HIGHER taxes for everyone, via a sales tax increase which hits some of those least able to pay. So NO on Prop 30, the government already takes enough from the taxpayers. From ALL of the taxpayers.


NO on Prop 30.

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Comments (23)

Posted by Another independent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2012 at 10:46 am

Food for thought. Here is the total government spend of the US (Fed, State, Local, etc.):

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We are already at 40% of GDP which is similar to many socialist countries. And yet the cry in CA is for more, more, more!

Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 19, 2012 at 10:58 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

The federal government has operated on a budget of 18-20% of GDP for about fifty years. Since 2009, that number has exceeded 24% each year.

2012 budget outlays are set at $3.7 trillion , that is %24.3 of GDP. The biggest items are defense, health and human services and social security.
You can access this data here: Web Link
I took my figures from section 6 of "Historical Tables as a single PDF"

Posted by Another independent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2012 at 11:04 am

Jim - you are limiting perspectives when you focus only on Federal spending and exclude State and Local.

Most tax/spend zealots focus on only a portion of the problem with the hope of minimzing it.

I know this is not what you want to do so be careful about posting incomplete spending information.

Posted by Joe, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 19, 2012 at 6:25 pm

Great post, Jim! Very insightful. I'm a member of the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes. I work two jobs to support my wife and two kids, and my wife is on federal disability because of a back injury (though I'm embarrassed to admit it). My two jobs bring in 45K a year, but I've got to tell you, I'm peeved beyond belief that I don't have to pay federal income taxes. Why, I'd be happy to pay more if it would help Mr. Romney and others avoid paying taxes themselves so they can continue being job creating heroes in places like China, Indonesia, and Mexico. And I think it's time to release my wife from her dependence on disability assistance. If she can't survive on her own, well, tough toenails is what my pappy used to say. Maybe if I'm forced to pay a higher tax rate then I'll become rich like Mitt in no time. WoooHoooo! Good times are a comin'!!!

Posted by Arnold, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2012 at 7:48 pm

Breaking Bad: California vs. the Other States (TAXES)
Richard Rider Chairman of the San Diego Tax Fighters
Thursday, September 13th, 2012

Here's a depressing but documented comparison of California taxes and economic climate with the rest of the states. The news is breaking bad, and getting worse (twice a month, I update crucial data on this fact sheet):

California has the 2nd worst state income tax in the nation. 9.3% tax bracket starts at $48,029 for people filing as individuals. 10.3% tax starts at $1,000,000. Governor Brown has put on the ballot a prop to change the "millionaires' tax" to 13.3%, starting at $500,000 – including capital gains. If approved, CA will be by far #1 in income tax rates. We will be 21% higher than the 2nd highest state (Hawaii), 34% higher than the 3rd highest state (Oregon), and a heck of a lot higher than all the rest – including six states with zero state income tax.

CA has the highest state sales tax rate in the nation. 7.25%

CA corporate income tax rate (8.84%) is the highest west of the Mississippi (our economic competitors) except for Alaska.

CA has the highest gas tax (tied with NY) in the nation at 67.7 cents/gallon (June, 2012). National average is 48.9 cents.

California in 2009 ranked 15th highest in per capita property taxes (including commercial) – the only major tax where we are not in the worst ten states. But CA property taxes per owner-occupied home were the 10th highest in the nation in 2009.

CA has now instituted the highest "cap and trade" tax in the nation – indeed, the ONLY such U.S. tax. One study estimates the annual cost at $3,857 per household by 2020. Even proponents concede that it will have zero impact on global warming.

California's 2012 "Tax Freedom Day" (the day the average taxpayer stops working for government and starts working for himself) is the 11th worst date in the nation – up from 28th worst in 1994, but down from 4th worst in 2009. CA "improved" primarily because of our state's soaring unemployment rate – the new tax dodge!

CA has the 3rd highest state unemployment rate. (July, 2012) – 10.7%. National unemployment rate 8.3%. National unemployment rate not including CA is only 8.0%, making the CA unemployment rate 34.2% higher than the average of the other 49 states.

CA needlessly licenses more occupations than any state – 177. Second worst state is Connecticut at 155. The average for the states is 92.

California's 2012 Business Tax Climate ranks 3rd worst in the nation – behind New Jersey and New York state.

CA public school teachers the highest paid in the nation. CA students rank 48th in math achievement, 49th in reading.
Web Link page 36

And the list goes on and on and on…This website wouldn't allow me to include all the links so they have bee omitted. You can read the article that includes the links by going to the original article.
Read it here: Web Link

The message is that California is already taxed enough - too much really. Until taxpayers just say NO to our politicians that don't know how to say to NO to their special interest groups, we will continue to be asked for more of our money to pay for things like increased compensation, pensions, and health care costs. There will never be any government reform as long as the politicians can scare us into giving them more of our money.

It needs to stop - NOW. Vote down all tax measures and force our state, county, and local governments to clean up the mess they've created. Once that happens then we can consider the question of additional taxes and where we want those tax dollars spent. IMO, when we clean up all the government waste and union shenanigans we wont need additional taxes.

Posted by Joe, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 19, 2012 at 8:34 pm

I got tired reading Arnold's lenghty post, but I will say that I'd be happy to pay more state taxes if it would help make me rich. The wealthy people in this state pay far too much in taxes (see WalMart's exorbitant tax rates). It's about time some of us working class stiffs who barely can get by step up and kick in some money to the state. I've talked to my aunt about returning her medicaid assistance. I figure that's a good start (and I never liked her much, at any rate).

Posted by Working Stiff..., a resident of Downtown
on Sep 19, 2012 at 10:34 pm

I'm tired of reading Victim posts... they will never take the time to understand what is going on until it's too late ... just look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, France and the list goes on ... the money runs out ... and you think two jobs, disability, free medical care are not enough wait till the only ones with money and power are the politicians... businesses close and the rich have left...

Posted by Joe, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 20, 2012 at 8:04 am

Right! No more victim talk! Like the victimization of Greece, Spain, and the like. Just a bunch of whiners. And how my pocketbook is being pilfered by people who expect free medical care for their chronic and crippling disabilities. Got it! No more victim talk about politicians becoming rich at our expense. No more whining about people who think they have a right to food, medical care, and housing. Us conservatives are a tough lot, aren't we? And so logical, too!

Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 20, 2012 at 11:26 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

Support is dropping for more taxes on everyone in California?!? Go figure!

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Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2012 at 11:01 am

also make sure you vote NO on prop 38.

No on prop 30. NO on prop. 38

Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2012 at 11:17 am

also, support prop 32, which would put a stop to the unions making automatic deductions from employees for political purposes:

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NO on prop. 30
NO on prop. 38
YES on prop. 32

Posted by Resident of Fascist Police State, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2012 at 8:38 pm

This week, I received a ticket while driving on Foothill Road, south of Pleasanton on my way to WORK, where I earn money to pay TAXES. For what, you may ask? Speeding? Texting while driving? Recklessly endangering the lives of other citizens? None of the above. Crossing over the double yellow line on a particularly windy stretch of road. Not passing anyone, mind you. Just a little too lazy and "cut the corner" so to speak. Why would a sherrifs deputy, sworn to protect the peace, waste his time on such a minor infraction? $200 fine is why. The coffers are bare, so they are out to shake down working people for every last dime.

So what to do? Taking time off work to fight it would be silly and counter productive. Most of the taxes I pay are confiscated so I can't withhold a like amount from them. However, like everyone, my funds are limited and a $200 fine from the county means $200 less to spend somewhere else. So I'm sorry PUSD and PPIE, but you are the only government entity to which I gave voluntarily, so there will be $200 less in my contribution this year. You can thank deputy Havens, with his 3% at 50 pension and healthcare benefits for life. And of course, NO, NO, NO, NO on any tax measure. Oh yeah, when I retire and start drawing from my 401k, I won't be paying taxes in the State of California, either. No income tax in Texas! At 10% raise and no more money for deputy Havens to get rich on in retirement. I suggest you all plan on doing the same.

Posted by Richard, a resident of Danbury Park
on Sep 23, 2012 at 11:30 am

I will never vote for a tax increase until this state gets it spending and waste in order. The pension plan is out of control as is the budget. Here is an example of waste no one mentions and just an example. I used to drive down from the Northwest driving from Alaska through Canada and then Washington and Oregon. I was never stopped at a border other than Canada and US customs only said anything to declare? When I got to the California border there was a checkpoint set up with 8 people there, 1 at each booth asking if I had any fruits or plants and it always struck me that it was such as waste especially when I found out how much they made. Yesterday I arrived back in California coming through Reno on highway 80. I had driven from Texas through Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Utah, and Nevada and found no checkpoint. When I drove up to the booth at the entrance to California the guy just says "have a good one". Give me a break. Never will I vote for a tax increase of any type until this waste is stopped.

Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 24, 2012 at 9:19 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

Dan Walters spells it out, quite clearly. If a relatively small number of wealthy taxpayers flee California for lower taxes as a result of passage of Prop 30, the state tax revenues could actually decrease instead of increase!

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Posted by No on Measure B-1, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Sep 25, 2012 at 6:41 am

I agree we are taxed enough. The Tax and Spend Dems must be stopped NOW. The Times news paper said Pleasanton's pro tax candidates are Cook-Kallio and DeMarcus.

My votes will go to Thorne, Pentin and Brown.

Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Foothill High School
on Sep 25, 2012 at 11:49 am

Posted by Resident of Fascist Police State, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 21, 2012 at 8:38 pm

"So what to do? Taking time off work to fight it would be silly and counter productive."

Well, yes, yes it would be silly to take time off work to fight a ticket for a driving violation that was correctly administered to a driver breaking the rules of the CA DMV code. Double-yellow lines are there for a reason, RoFPS, and "being lazy and cutting corners" by crossing that double-yellow line does in fact "Recklessly endanger the lives of other citizens". Of course you are saying that there was no car coming in the opposite direction on this particular curve when you strayed over the line, but it sounds as if you are pretty blasé about the actual rules of the road, and who knows whether someone will be coming in the opposite direction the next time you get "a little lazy" and "cut corners". In addition to providing revenue, traffic violation tickets at shockingly high values also serve as very real and useful reminders not to continue poor driving habits that might indeed endanger other drivers and their passengers.

Posted by definite NO, a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm

MICHELLE STEEL - Vice chairwoman, California Board of Equalization, says vote NO on prop 30

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Posted by Resident of Fascist Police State, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 28, 2012 at 8:13 pm

@Hmmm -

The score is still County of Alameda $200, PUSD $0. I end up the same, PUSD ( and you) are the losers. My first ticket in over 20 years - no accidents - I'm a "real danger". No, just a checkbook for the county of alameda. I'm sure you are enjoying your big fat pension and think you deserve it.

Posted by Resident of Fascist Police State, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 28, 2012 at 9:10 pm

@Hmmm the 50 year old retired cop collecting a full salary and paying taxes on only 50% of it due to his "disability" - his knee hurts a litltle - said:

"In addition to providing revenue, traffic violation tickets at shockingly high values also serve as very real and useful reminders not to continue poor driving habits that might indeed endanger other drivers and their passengers."

I guess this is the propaganda they teach you while you talk about your pensions incessantly and call yourselves cops. Where were the cops when the teenager in Concord was running amok and killed a father and daughter out for a Saturday bike ride? Since it was Saturday, I would guess the donut shop or out planning a dirty DUI with a lawyer or PI. Or molesting a child like the deputy in San Ramon. The accident rate on this stretch of road is zero. It's not at all about saftey and everyone knows that. It's about money, pure and simple. Easy pickings. Minor violations on a safe stretch of road - cha-Ching! "I'm retiring at 50 you tax-paying working slave- give me your money." That's how it starts. Then they extort you when there is really no violation at all- the real police state. All the while, you draw your fat tax free pension for 50 years. You no longer have the support of the public that pays your salary and fat pension. You can kiss my ass. And don't bother telling me "oh who are you going to call when someone robs you"- If I call the cops, they will tell me to file a report online but no one will be out to investigate it. What a joke. Just a bunch of fat, whining, lazy extortionists. Off on work comp, long past the time they could return to work. Taking, taking, taking.

Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2012 at 5:16 pm

@Resident of Fascist Police State -- very interesting assumptions you make about me, just because I stated that if a driver violates the DMV laws, and the violation is one that results in a ticket, then the ticket is probably not something to argue about. Just to clear up any confusion, I am not a 50 year old male retired cop on disability because of an imaginary knee ache. I am a 53 year old female who has worked every day of her life at various non-unionized jobs, and I pay full taxes. I have never applied for disability for any injuries, imaginary or otherwise. The only time I took from work were two 6-week maternity leaves, both of them with SL hours that I had banked by never calling in sick. I have been driving since I was 16 years old, and despite driving 70 miles round-trip to my work, I have never received a driving ticket or citation.

Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2012 at 11:32 pm

Just an additional piece of background, to clear the air, Resident of... ... ..., I did attend college in California, both for my undergraduate and master's degree. My arents assisted me with some funds toward dorm fees my freshman year, but after that, I was on my own, and worked like crazy while carrying 18-20 units to cover tuition and all of my living expenses and books, with no outside (read "grants", so-called "entitletments", handouts, etc. I just didn't want you to worry that I was living off of your taxes. If anything, I've been trying to stay on the plus side, paying more in taxes while I can to help California bounce back from hard years.

Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Oct 25, 2012 at 10:31 am

Latest news, Prop 30 dropping in support

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Support has plunged for Proposition 30, Gov. Jerry Brown's plan to raise billions of dollars in taxes, a new USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll shows, with less than half of voters planning to cast ballots in favor of the measure.

Only 46% of registered voters now support Brown's initiative, a 9-point drop over the last month

Posted by No on 30 and 38, a resident of California Reflections
on Oct 25, 2012 at 2:09 pm

No on Prop 30 and No on Prop 38.

The local school district:

+ can't manage its email servers without them crashing
+ can't manage their bond money without cash out refunding accounting tricks and adding $9 million to local voters bills
+ can't manage its property holdings and allows a sham college offering no actual degrees to operate on Pleasanton school property requiring Federal undercover agents to operate a 2 year sting operation to secretly record student visas being sold there

Vote No on Prop 30 and 38. School districts need to clean up their act and stop the waste!

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