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Black Avenue residents talk traffic

Original post made on Sep 10, 2012

Concerned residents of Black Avenue packed the City Council chamber Wednesday evening for a meeting held by Pleasanton to address traffic problems.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, September 7, 2012, 3:20 PM

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Posted by Typical
a resident of Castlewood
on Sep 10, 2012 at 9:57 am

They want the traffic problem alleviated but they don't want it to affect them at all whatsoever. Can't have it both ways!


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Posted by Pat
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 10, 2012 at 10:18 am

It's really encouraging and positive to have our community and city government working together to come up with solutions to a pretty serious, potentially dangerous problem. It's exactly how it should be.

And just because one person said they do not want to see speed bumps doesn't make the whole neighborhood a bunch of NIMBYs. It is just one opinion and I'm sure that resident would rather see speed bumps than a coroner's van in our neighborhood.

Small traffic circles could do the trick and are typically attractive if filled with plants (low maintenance, drought resistant of course!). Many options. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.

In the mean time: SLOW DOWN!!!!!


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Posted by Mom O2
a resident of Foothill High School
on Sep 10, 2012 at 10:30 am

What exactly is traffic calming? How about we just enforce traffic safety laws? 40 MPH, on a cell phone while driving on a provisional license? Maybe cite a few of them and word will spread quickly. Traffic safety around our schools is a concern all across the city. What is being done about it?

This middle school newsletter is begging for volunteers to help keep parent drivers in line and improve safety. Web Link

This video highlights many traffic safety concerns at a local high school. Web Link

Perhaps PPD and the City could join forces to enforce traffic safety laws and make the daily trip to and from school more safe for our kids?


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Posted by Don
a resident of Ironwood
on Sep 10, 2012 at 10:38 am

I am the Crossing Guard at Valley Ave. & Northway Rd. and this is my 6th year on the same corner. I could write a book on what I see. The students I cross are very cooperative, as are most of the parents. The drivers MUST obey the speed limits and always be on the lookout for our children. The talking on Cell Phones is still a huge problem and I prefer my students to not talk or text while crossing the street. Huge problem with joggers and blocking our crosswalks with cars. Depending on what time of the year it is, the sun can shine right in the drivers eyes traveling east on Valley and most likely Black as well. Slow down and be prepared for a child to surprise you. When any pedestrian is in a crosswalk, please wait for them to reach the other side of the street.


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Posted by Shannon
a resident of Stoneridge Orchards
on Sep 10, 2012 at 11:37 am

Traffic in town is a huge problem on every main street. Black/Valley/Stoneridge Drive ect... I can't believe how many drivers I see still talking on cell phones with their hand up to their ear. This is against the law and dangerous. These people are also speeding while talking on the phone and run through yellow lights.

I think Stoneridge Dr. in the residential area's should have turn abouts and or speed bumps. It's the only way to slow people down. It already sounds and looks like a freeway and it isn't even finished yet, the plan is to open it up to El Charo and that is going to be a nightmare!


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Posted by Son
a resident of Beratlis Place
on Sep 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Just reroute them to another neighborhood so they have to deal with it, PROBLEM SOLVED....


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Posted by Eric
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 10, 2012 at 1:51 pm

The problem isn't the traffic, we aren't looking to "move it elsewhere" we are trying to get people to slow the hell down, stop at intersections and let children cross safely.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 10, 2012 at 4:47 pm

The traffic is a problem but that is not the only issue. I have by now seen this happen many times: A car backing out of a driveway to go all the way to the other side of the street! Dangerous, and that is a person who lives on Black Ave.

I understand they have to get out of the drive way, but they could get out by staying on the side of the street where their house is, rather than crossing to the other side (all while ion reverse and without paying attention to cars that are already driving by)


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Posted by enforce
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 10, 2012 at 5:12 pm

Simple solution, put the officers there in full force and giving out tickets. And keep coming back. Officers should pull over anybody not obeying the traffic rules, including talking on your phone while driving. Let the people who are not obeying the laws pay for the problems (handing out tickets); not inconvenience the rest of the neighbors/city who obey the rules.


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Posted by Ennis Pipe
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm

We live on Black across from WG. It's not just a single issue. Speeding: 1.) the speed sign is in front of the neighbors house -it was "out of order" according to the city -unfortunately for months and it does work in terms of slowing people down, 2.) PPD -start putting, with much greater regularity, a motorcycle cop down Tanglewood - I counted 3 tickets in 20 mins the last time (how sad for those drivers) and I'm tired of watching people hit 40-45 mph from the stop sign, 3.) to Resident -huh? Honestly, if I force people to slow down when I back out, oh well, they should slow down -it's called courtesy. The bottom line is people drive far too fast in Pl, we live in a residential area across the street from an elementary school (that has a posted speed limit for a reason -small kids) and I don't care if it's a Sat or Sun, kids are still around and the speed limit is 25 and set at 25 for a reason -so put the phone down and drive the speed limit.
Access: - re-routing traffic is going to be more difficult due to the post office but please, get the large Postal delivery trucks that come from Oakland out on Valley.
Bumps/Planters/Roundabouts -yes please. Whatever is going to slow people down.


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Posted by helen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 9:21 am

Black is a "feeder" street, not a "residential" street. Get over it.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 9:31 am

"Honestly, if I force people to slow down when I back out, oh well, they should slow down -it's called courtesy. "

If you are the person I have seen backing out of the driveway ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE - per the Pleasanton police, it is an illegal thing, and if the police actually saw you doing it, you'd get a ticket. It is not about courtesy but about safety.

It is one thing for you to back out of the driveway, and quite another to do so all the way to the other side of the street, forcing traffic both ways to come to a stop, and putting cylists at risk.

Traffic on the street side opposite to your driveway do NOT EXPECT a car from the the other side of the street to be backing out, those cars look for cars coming out of driveways ON THE SIDE they are driving, not the other one!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 9:40 am

"Honestly, if I force people to slow down when I back out, oh well, they should slow down -it's called courtesy. "

And btw, should an accident happen because of your careless backing out of your driveway, you are at fault. Look it up. The people already driving on Black have the right of way, even on the side they are driving. So before you are careless when backing out, think that maybe one day someone will not be able to put the brakes fast enough and hit your car, and YOU WILL BE AT FAULT for insurance and police purposes

I don't have much sympathy for your complaints about traffic on Black, when you, a Black Ave resident, behave in such an irresponsible way when it comes to traffic rules.


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Posted by Mitch
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 11:21 am

Pretty sure as it relates to the "traffic problem," the single resident backing out of their driveway to drive in the opposite directions ranks pretty low compared to speeders, people on phones, etc.

Maybe since you know where they live and consider it such a giant risk you could talk to them about it, or maybe leave a note and sign it "resident"

The issue here is so simple.

We don't have a shortage of cops, and yes, the Pleasanton police know how to right tickets very well. Just have them hand out tickets in this neighborhood, where it is actually needed, instead of picking off the low laying fruit over by the mall and Foothill. People will get the message quickly.


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Posted by Ennis Pipe
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 11, 2012 at 12:21 pm

Wonderful, the usual PW anonymous blog responses that don't contribute to the discussion. Resident - PPD have yet to issue a ticket on Black to a "resident" (versus a "feeder") for backing out of their driveway. You assume, incorrectly, that "feeders" on Black don't bother to look/proceed with any degree of caution. Better idea, why don't you walk Black and talk to all of the "feeders" who live on the street and let us know the correct way to pull out of our driveways -I'm sure it would be enlightening. Helen -go look at a dictionary. Looking forward to your future constructive input...


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm

"Resident - PPD have yet to issue a ticket on Black to a "resident" (versus a "feeder") for backing out of their driveway"

The police do not issue tickets to everyone. Just this morning a car in front of mine on Black Ave was going quite fast and we drove past a street where there was a police car - no ticket, no one stopped.

Say all you want, but if there is ever an accident caused by your poor judgment when backing out of the driveway, be prepared to be found at fault by the insurance company and the police (I would certainly insist on a police being there if it was me unning into your car when you carelessly backed out). I did not make the traffic rules...

And I hope you never hit a person riding his/her bike...they do not have to stop for you when you are backing/


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm

"Just have them hand out tickets in this neighborhood, where it is actually needed, "

I cannot make the police do their job, not do I want to. I simply say that those complaining about Black Ave, need to respect the rules of traffic themselves, like the careless Black Ave resident (see his post above) who thinks the traffic should stop so he can get out of his driveway in a careless way. I wonder if he knows how to read the
right of way rules?

That person has zero credibility, imo, when he complains about speeders, given that he is being very careless himself when backing out of the driveway, and is a safety issue, as bad as the speeders. He can get into an accident or worse, hit someone riding a bike.


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Posted by Eric
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 11, 2012 at 1:39 pm

Black is a "feeder" street, not a "residential" street. Get over it.

Yes helen Black is a feeder but it's a feeder but it is a feeder through a residential area that has 7 educational facilities, 2 parks, 1 community center, 1 church and 1 large swim facility on and within a block of Black. You tell the child that gets injured or killed by the inconsiderate drivers to "Get over it".


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 11, 2012 at 4:52 pm

To Ennis Pipe, who posted " to Resident -huh? Honestly, if I force people to slow down when I back out, oh well, they should slow down -it's called courtesy. The bottom line is people drive far too fast "

Here is the vehicle code you need to read, Ennis:

California Vehicle Code Section 21804 (a): "The driver of any vehicle about to enter or cross a highway from any public or private property, or from an alley, shall yield the right-of-way to all traffic." Vehicles entering traffic "shall continue to yield the right-of-way to that traffic until he or she can proceed with reasonable safety.""

and there are many attorneys willing to help those who were in an accident because of a careless driver exiting their driveway:

Web Link

And read this from a law office about an accident between a car that was exiting the driveway and a car that was speeding:

Web Link

Even with speeding, the fault is still that of the car exiting the driveway, and speeding will be taken into account but won't change who is at fault (plus you need to prove the car was actually speeding).

So please keep this in mind, Ennis, before you exit your driveway thinking other have to have the "courtesy" to slow down for you.

You do NOT have the right of way, the cars driving along Black Ave do (and that includes those driving in front of your house)


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