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Brown builds a train. Walker invests in higher education.

Original post made by Dark Corners of Town, Country Fair, on Jul 8, 2012

Which one is taking care of their state's residents better?

Brown builds a train:

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Walker invests in higher education:

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Posted by Dem legacy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm

I think you already have your answer. The choo choo to nowhere is not the way to move our state out of the dem created depression we are experiencing...it only keeps browns union donors happy.


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Posted by Interesting
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 8, 2012 at 8:39 pm

Walker's approach is very practical and impressive. Train to nowhere means a no vote for CA taxes. He doesn't need them and doesn't have his priorities straight to deserve more money.


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Posted by conservatism works
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 8, 2012 at 9:22 pm

Luv that fun-fact about conservatives vs. liberals.
On a related note, you won't see this reported in the mainstream media...

Unemployment dropped in EVERY state that elected a Republican Governor in 2010. (No wonder the leftist State of Calif is struggling with continually higher unemployment, debt, etc.)

article >>> Web Link


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Posted by Mr. Mittens
a resident of another community
on Jul 8, 2012 at 9:46 pm

My goodness, I LOVE Walker's approach. Break unions; fire most teachers; give students degrees based upon their personal experiences; pay no heed to actual expertise, because most 3rd workers don't need such to man the increased number of taco stands going up around this great country; pay no heed to depth of thought/knowledge/education, because these are not needed to vote Republican.

We pay highest corporate tax rates in the world. Honest! Fire Obama in 2012.


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 8, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Being a Jerry Brown project in CA, you can be sure it will be a public union job ! ! ! Map in paper other day showed first decade stage will be Merced to Bakersfield....middle of nowhere to middle of nowhere. I can't image who could logistically ride the train for many decades, except fieldworker illegals !! How could anybody from Pleasanton ever use it.
A fixed track isn't very adaptable!


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 8, 2012 at 10:35 pm

BTW, Friday's horrid UNemployment numbers showed 8.2% UNemployed... of course that is nationally! Here in the FORMERLY golden state it continues to be over 10%.
Nationally, over 7 million have permanently left (given up) the work force, otherwise the unemployed number would be 10.9%.. .So the deficit spending hasn't fixed anything. It did provide funds for keeping public unions employed (like fire & teachers)and of course the (3) Solyndras of America. who were suppose to have jobs, but were scams instead.


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Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Parkside
on Jul 9, 2012 at 8:55 am

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Not to worry....while we waste $69 billion on Brown's toy train, our unemployment rate will dip to 9.99%, only to go back up once the illegal laborers finish laying the tracks.
Quite a return on investment there.....atta boy, Jerry. To the moon!


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Posted by Ngo Loon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 10, 2012 at 11:04 am

The Bullet Train to Nowhere is going to be the biggest public works fiasco since The Big Dig in Boston. The Big Dig was notorious for poor design, poor execution, gigantic cost overruns, union labor problems, corrupt contractors, political patronage (i.e. Sen. Ted Kennedy and Rep. Barney Frank), and corruption.

We can almost depend that the Bullet Train to Nowhere will suffer all of those problems, but on a 50 times greater scale. It may be the very thing that puts California into bankruptcy. And, once again you will get the ultimatum of paying higher taxes or having massive cuts to education, roads and vital services (and, of course, no cuts to legislator's and state worker's compensation or the billions spent on illegals).

Remember the unfinished freeways that were around for a decade due to Jerry Brown's first stint as governor? Now you will see the unfinished Bullet Train to Nowhere for decades due to Jerry Brown's second stint as governor, and you will get stuck for paying off tens of billions in debt and nothing to show for it.

Don' Blame Me - I Didn't Vote for Gov. Moonbeam.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 10, 2012 at 12:05 pm

No on the train. Yes on a parcel tax.


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Posted by J Flack
a resident of Stoneridge Park
on Jul 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm

The initial post seems to present a false dichotomy.

Why must there be a choice between higher education reform and infrastructure improvement? The URL links to a post-WWII era when the country expanded the university system and the interstate highway system. Both were less than perfect solutions but have been refined and in the big picture, contributed to our national wealth.

Here's my 'pick one' from our TSAW politicians:

- Continue the tens of billions of dollars in tax cuts and capital gains tax cuts so that our wealthy citizens can build more factories in China (like they have for the last twelve years.) And let's give the middle class another tax break to buy more 54 inch digital televisions and DSLRs at Best Buy and Costco. Those can be made in the Chinese and Korean factories we built.

OR:

- Build infrastructure in the US. The money gets spent in jobs in the Central Valley. Pension funds of Americans get increased (I Why care if they are in the union or not, the money recirculates here.) During the Depression they built roads in National Parks, paid for art at Coit Tower, et cetera. Who cares as long as the money recirculates in this country?

BUT WAIT! WE CAN DO BOTH!

How about we only consider tax breaks and capital gains reductions if the money can be documented to be primarily spent on projects/factories/jobs in this country. Could that keep both sides happy?



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Posted by Rob
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 10, 2012 at 7:02 pm

we already have a bullet train...it's called Interstate 5


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 10, 2012 at 7:04 pm


Since voters were sold a pack of lies, let us look at how things have changed.
1. Was Sacramento to San Diego,for $45 Billion.
Now, San Francisco to LA, for $ 69 Billion !

2, Ridership was sold as 55 million, projection now
slipped to 20 - 25 million.

3. Ticket prices San Fran to LA have changed from $55 - $85.

4, Opening date pushed from 2020 to 2029.
How things have changed!
Voters approved the sale of $9.9 Billion in bonds, that we taxpayers would have to PAY OFF... Obviously, that wouldn't
make a dent in the project !
I cannot think of any reason to believe any of the new projections
that will likely change several times throughout the years.
And the cost overruns would run through majority of the century.
Talk about being cruel to the next generation...along with social security for a country of seniors!



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Posted by Scott
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jul 11, 2012 at 9:23 am

How about investing in our West Coast road system to create the first "US Auto Bahn" with high speed electric transportation buses with more lanes? Everyone wins. Going green, lower investment costs, reduces umemployment, less congestion, Pleasanton to LA in half the time (2-3 hours vs the current 5-6 hours. Has anybody drove this path lately: Stressful driving with many vehicles tyring to pass each other and avoid getting stuck behind the truck train. Come on Brown/California - pull your head out.


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Posted by chemist
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 11, 2012 at 10:25 am

Better that our various governments do nothing except shrivel up and go away; however, if the only choice we have is to

1. let them handle our healthcare OR
2. let them build useless trains

then I pick 2. Wait until our healthcare is run like the Post Office. We will be wishing we could take a bullet train to nowhere.


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Posted by highSpeedLover
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 11, 2012 at 10:46 am


Everyone thinks of going from SFO to LAX or back.

What about folks who are 2 hours away from either of these big airports? Would they drive or would they take the HSR?

HSR will be powered by electricity which can come from solar. Try flying a solar 737! I think gas dependence will go down with HSR ( vs planes )

More planes is the answer? The last mile problem still remains.


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 10:03 am

Walker has money to spend on education, because of $$ saved when he restructured Wisconsin PUBLIC unions.
Where is the required massive solar source? mounted on each train ?


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Posted by iHateMorons
a resident of Castlewood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 10:27 am



"Where is the required massive solar source? mounted on each train ?"


Guess we as a nation are creating a bunch of morons. Even someone from a 3rd world country would figure out that you don't mount the solar source on each train. You would create a solar farm and power either a 3rd rail or an overhead power line.


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 2:56 pm

It was a trick question! Thank you for making my point !..I knew that answer I'd get, providing me the opening I wanted. Your answer....
A field, a very large field!! for the flat-earth crowd !! Individual solar on home and business rooftops is sensible, as is forward-thinking self-sufficient cars and trains.
Using up massive abounts of land that will be needed later in the century for various overpopulation purposes is very inefficient, short-sighted, short-term thinking. The model T solar thinkers only selfishly consider consuming vast land masses for blanketing earth surface with 'panels' for electricty. Real scientists sand futurists would be planning all-clean, zero-carbon, rain or shine, 24/7, cheap and abundant nuclear power with a tiny, space preserving footprint.
Individual rooftop solar for cars, buses, and trains will be here before this train boondoggle is completed....out-of-date before it is finished. I really, really hate morons !!who waste taxpayer $$ on follies. We haven't even mentioned that it would require a new electric grid, that nobody can afford ! NOT PG&E/ratepayers, state of CA, OR the US government. Things have changed! New century, new financial world.


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Posted by Duke Lancaster
a resident of Ironwood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm

If you're so smart, why are you broke!


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Taxes! Solyndra ! Politicians checking out their minds to model T type thinkers.


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Posted by Answer
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm

It probably has something to do with all levels of government constantly digging in to his wallet....just an educated guess.


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm

I'm having Moonbeam flashbacks...mini Deja Vu nightmares. Frwy 101 interchange left half constructed, like the 'Stairway to Heaven' of that era.
The Brown kid didn't want dirty gas cars zooming thru CA, and being short on funds, stopped construction! The big 680 to 101 swoop was left just raw freeway pointing to the sky. It was left over a decade for a new administration to finish.
I just keep visualizing train tracks ending in a tomato patch, financial reality has set in. It should be dubbed Brown's Deja Vu, because it will never get finished.


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Posted by Duke Lancaster
a resident of Ironwood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm

I just keep visualizing broke taxpayers playing around on the Internet, posting to the PW forum, and collecting welfare checks while the rest of us work for a living. Maybe if you stayed away from the mind-altering substances, you wouldn't be getting flashbacks. You'd be getting a job!


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm

Brown's Deja Vu folly will never get finished or started as it shakes out.
Last week DEM state majority voted to approve selling $4.6 BBillion in new state bonds for current and future generations to pay off...for 130 miles of track in Central CA. ! A pretty arrogant act for an ALREADY INSOLVENT state ! But Jerry is desperate to get his paws on $3.3 Billion in federal grants from a federal government with an unsustainable deficit !
CA dysfunctional government had an $8.2 Billion deficit carry-over to start July 2011 fiscal year. No problem !! The brilliant Dem legislature estimated they would collect $9.7 Billion in cap gain taxes from the coming 'Facebook' offering'. There's that Deja VU again !! Promises, more plans (like old retirements) etc. etc. But
pie in the sky fantasy budgets rarely work. Alas, such is the case..no $9.7 from the facebook on the wall budget guesstimates.
Now Moody's who have to RATE us for the INTEREST WE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY TO 30 BONDHOLDERS. Moody's TRIPLED THEIR ESTIMATE OF CA PENSION LIABILITIES, FROM $38.5 BIL to $109 BIL RAISING our pension liability by ANOTHER $&.3 Bil.. Haven't this legislature's repeated ponzi schemes already done enough damage, without tracks from Modesto to Bakersfield.


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Posted by Fresh tomato's
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm

Posted by Broke taxpayer, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 10 minutes ago

I'm having Moonbeam flashbacks...mini Deja Vu nightmares. Frwy 101 interchange left half constructed, like the 'Stairway to Heaven' of that era.

The Brown kid didn't want dirty gas cars zooming thru CA, and being short on funds, stopped construction! The big 680 to 101 swoop was left just raw freeway pointing to the sky. It was left over a decade for a new administration to finish.

Classic - I remember the 680 to 101 fly-over to certian death. Fortunately the on-ramps to nowhere weren't constructed or it would've been a real disaster.

""I just keep visualizing train tracks ending in a tomato patch"

I was LMAO reading that statement until I relaized how much this boondoggle will cost me :~(


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm

The last line in my last paragraph above should read "" RAISING our pension liability by ANOTHER $7.3 Billion.
I know, so big nobody notices or even worse...cares !


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Posted by TEALover
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 12, 2012 at 9:19 pm


There is a place where there are NO taxes: Saudi Arabia.

Who wants to move there! ;-)


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Posted by Broke taxpayer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm

So TEALover, you say any and all taxes are ok, just bend over and take it?? Stupid fools and greedy fools have busted CA and many cities in CA...that is not ok, because it does limit all other expenses. Now that we're a giant welfare state, and keep saying ya all come and breed in CA, we can't do infrastructure. So the individiual welfare leeches prevent major projects for all Californian taxpayers ! Wrong but real.


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Posted by TEALover
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 12, 2012 at 11:37 pm

LOL Broken taxpayer,

I didn't say that. you said that!

If you were some kind of City Employee somewhere, you may have acted like those 'stupid fools and greedy fools' , who knows! just saying...


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