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Amador and Foothill Trailong Behind Dublin High School

Original post made by Please Enlighten, Laguna Oaks, on May 8, 2012

How accurate is this? How can Amador and Foothill trail so far behind Dublin HS in CA/national ranking and in college readiness index? Please explain.

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Posted by Please Enlighten
a resident of Laguna Oaks
on May 8, 2012 at 10:24 pm

Typo! Darn iPad. "trailing" not "trailong."


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on May 8, 2012 at 10:48 pm

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well, darn. Hope you elitists suck our dust...

Okay, just playing with you. ALL our kids need to move forward.

BTW, once-upon-a-time, Pleasanton were da boonies. When all those physicists and nuclear engineers moved to Livermore in the fifties, downtown P-town, with the pool halls and bars, was a great place to buy a cheap home. Fortunately, the city leaders saw the problem and "moved forward."

So, let's give Dublin some credit...


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 8, 2012 at 10:53 pm

I dunno. The US News & World Report list says that Dublin High School has a student to teacher ratio of 7-to-1 ! No that's not a misprint - at least not by me - the entry says that there is one teacher for every seven students at Dublin High.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 8, 2012 at 10:55 pm

So tell us, Dublinmike. Does Dublin High really have a student-to-teacher ratio of 7-to-1?


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on May 8, 2012 at 11:03 pm

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No, Sam, it's 2 to 1...


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on May 8, 2012 at 11:05 pm

dublinmike is a registered user.

Sam, who cares!

Why are you nit-pickin. Dublin got some points. Feeling a bit insecure? Not sure why you would bring this up?

Move on.

Cheers.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 8, 2012 at 11:21 pm

The Academic Performance Index of Dublin HS is below both Foothill and Amador. That is the key metric.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 9, 2012 at 7:07 am

Dublinmike said: "Why are you nit-pickin. Dublin got some points. Feeling a bit insecure? Not sure why you would bring this up?"

You're not sure why I'm pointing out the remarkable statistic that Dublin High allegedly has a 7-to-1 student-to-teacher ratio?

US News & World Reports says that Dublin High has a bit fewer than 500 students. Dublin High School's own web site says that it has 1643 students. US News & World Reports says Dublin High has a student-to-teacher ratio of 7-to-1. Dublin High School's own web site says that it has a ratio of 28-to-1.

Obviously, the numbers aren't consistent and someone at either US News & World Reports or Dublin High made a mistake.


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Posted by Jack
a resident of Downtown
on May 9, 2012 at 7:30 am

Dublin High ranked higher than the Pleasanton schools? Perposterous! It's a lie! They cheated! It's a mistake! Say it ain't so! They must've bribed the owners of the Mexican Walmarts! That's just not possible!
How about as a "Community of Character" we just look across the freeway, and say "Well done Dublin High! Congratulations!"


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 9, 2012 at 8:08 am

Clearly the enrollment numbers are off. I wonder if those are the numbers for Valley Continuation HS. Anyway, easy enough to write to US News about the conflict. That said, while rankings like this can be helpful, they are not the only/best way to determine which school is best for your children.


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Posted by sybil
a resident of Birdland
on May 9, 2012 at 8:29 am

This has to be about Village private school, not any public school and certainly not Dublin High. Apparently, the 'journalists' at US NEWS & World Report studied math at on of our fine schools north of HWY 580.
If any of this were accurate, they would be worthy of praise, but I think dublinmike is having a premature celebration.


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Posted by sybil
a resident of Birdland
on May 9, 2012 at 8:32 am

Valley Christian, not village or DHS


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Posted by Stats
a resident of Birdland
on May 9, 2012 at 8:43 am

How can you all get up in arms about some report about where our schools rank? How can schools in CA be compared to schools in other states when we all don't have the same testing practices? As far as Dublin High ranking higher in this report than P-Town schools...get over it! Congrats to Dublin! Let's put into practice we are supposed teaching our kids about sportsmanship - congratulate those who have "won" or earned it and be happy for them. Don't resort to name calling and trying to discount the information.


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Posted by ConsiderThis
a resident of Amador Estates
on May 9, 2012 at 9:00 am

Well, since you brought up this subject of schools in Dublin I have a couple points...

1. Congrats to Dublin HS, regardless of whether the stats are 100% accurate. My guess is that the stats are not accurate but the school must be doing ok ... for a public school.

2. Now how about comparing Dublin HS with other schools in Dublin...namely Valley Christian and Quarry Lane. I don't have specific performance data...but the last time I looked which was last year (Diablo Magazine), the performance of Quarry Lane was extremely high relative to other public and private schools.


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Posted by sara
a resident of Avila
on May 9, 2012 at 9:20 am

Apparently, something fishy happened with Dublin data. While Dublin high has improved considerably, no way it compares to Mission San Jose high or San ramon or Pleasanton. The data is MESSED up !! I have friends who go to Dublin High and while the school is ok, it is nowhere the top 5 schools in CA. This data is plain WRONG !!


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Posted by xyz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 9, 2012 at 9:24 am

"Congrats to Dublin HS, regardless of whether the stats are 100% accurate"

1. The stats are 0% accurate. They apply to the wrong school. US news is fixing the mistake.

2. Of course private schools should have higher test scores. They can turn down students who have low scholastic aptitude. That said, how about a comparison with Carden West? I feel sorry for both the parents and students who had to deal with that mess.


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Posted by Harriet B. Hind
a resident of Livermore
on May 9, 2012 at 12:08 pm

I was shocked to heat this last night too. How can neither Pleasantons' high school or San Ramon or Danville's school not make it yet Dublin did? My daughter wants to know who in Dublin has the kind of money to pay US News and World report to place Dublin #12?


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Posted by C. Hoeppner
a resident of Laguna Oaks
on May 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

DublinMike wrote: "Why are you nit-pickin. Dublin got some points. Feeling a bit insecure?"

Stats wrote: "As far as Dublin High ranking higher in this report than P-Town schools...get over it! Congrats to Dublin!"

This is not about jealousy or resentment. It's about honesty and accuracy. Look, nobody is disputing the fact that Dublin High is a decent high school. Academically it falls about mid-way among public high schools in California, which means it is better than approximately half the high schools in the state. In the measures that truly matter to parents who want their kids to go to good colleges (such as SAT Scores, AP Test Scores, UC Admissions Rates), Dublin High falls well behind its neighboring public high schools in Pleasanton, San Ramon and Danville. Facts are facts. Check out the links below. Dublin High's SAT scores have gone down over the last five years and are dead last in the Tri-Valley. Similar results are seen for API Test Scores and UC Admissions Rates. US News & World Report used faulty data. Dublin officials are well aware of the faulty data they reported to the state, and have been promising to correct it for more than a year. Once they correct the data, Dublin High will no longer rank as a Gold Medal school in the magazine's rankings, which means that it will drop from #12 to well past #500, probably past #1000. That's just reality.

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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Well, at least everyone here now knows how to get Dublin and Pleasanton schools into the top-10 list of California schools: Reduce the student-to-teacher ratio.


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Posted by Been There
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm

US News made a mistake with another high school, according to its principal:

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That school was ranked #13 but all the data was wrong.


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Posted by David
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 10, 2012 at 9:37 am

I am happy for Dublin High, even if it's a false reading. Even still, we all know the truth. Dublin High is still behind Amador and Foothill, just saying!

What cracks me up is how messed up our schools in California are when it comes to finances. K-12 is guaranteed by legal mandate to receive .43 cents of every tax dollar collected in California, and the Junior Colleges and Universities are guaranteed .11 cents of every tax dollar, but that still isn't enough.

I am a strong supporter of our schools. I have been on PTA Boards and Site councils and am saddened to see and hear the entitled attitude displayed from academia. The teachers get a bad rap all the way around, but the top heavy administration is a joke. The 54% guaranteed our schools needs to make it to the classroom.

Administration needs to be severely cut. Teachers should not be paying for classroom supplies. Business men and women need to be put in the roles of school superintendent, not PHD's with no experience in running even a lemon aid stand.

The cuts in our schools have come from less revenue, not cuts from the extra money. It's not mean spirited Republicans doing it.

With all the hype surrounding classroom size and budgets, we need some real leaders, with truthful solutions, regardless of party.


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Posted by Terrie
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 10, 2012 at 10:19 am

In the Valley Times today the Superintendent of the Dublin School System reported they had given incorrect data. They used their faculty numbers instead of student numbers to report student to teacher ratio. So they reported 443 students to 66 teachers instead of 1,500 students to 66 teachers. The ratios went from 7-to-1 down to 23-to 1. That will dramatically change their ranking.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm

From the Dublin High web site: Web Link

Enrollment: 1643 Class of 2011: 323 Teacher/Student Ratio: 1:28

For this one statistic, I don't think Foothill or Amador ratios are much better.


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Posted by Sandy Piderit
a resident of Mohr Park
on May 10, 2012 at 2:41 pm

Pleasanton's high schools are consistently highly ranked.

Amador -- #298 nationally, 57th within California.

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Foothill -- #399 nationally, 71st within California.

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Village is too small to be ranked by US News.

Here are the California rankings:

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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2012 at 2:58 pm

The methodology behind these things is always questionable. If you read the article, it says:

"To determine the Best High Schools national rankings, schools were first analyzed at the state level in terms of how well students in each school performed on state assessments, taking into account the test scores of disadvantaged students (low-income, Hispanic, and black), who tend to score lower on tests."

So it's unclear how this adjustment is calculated and how it impacts the rankings. Could it negatively impact a school that relatively doesn't have that many disadvantaged students?

In general, a performance gap would hurt a school that's top notch with non-disadvantaged students but not so good with disadvantaged students. And some kids do poorly and just can't be helped too...

Don't forget that some schools with 900+ APIs are dinged by the (bulls$*t) No Child Left Behind methodology simply for not improving the performance of some individual students by a certain amount each year. And taken to an extreme, you could have a school where everyone scores pretty well and it would still be dinged as a non-compliant school if the disadvantaged group performance dropped from say 940 to 900. Would that be a bad school???

I say spend no effort on these rankings which mean little... spend the time getting involved with the schools, the district, the students and the performance will take care of itself. No magazine looking to sell advertisements is going to improve a school in any way...


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Posted by Resident
a resident of another community
on May 10, 2012 at 4:52 pm

See the explanation here:

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Posted by Lynn
a resident of Dublin
on May 11, 2012 at 10:33 am

ALL I CAN SAY IS, STAND BACK PLEASANTON!!

WHILE YOUR CHILDREN ARE PARTYING DOWN AND "SMOKING THEIR SWEATSOCKS" DUBLIN HIGH KIDS ARE KICKING BUTT IN SPORTS AND ACADEMICS!! EVERYONE BRAGS ABOUT HOW RICH AND FABULOUS THE KIDS ARE FROM FOOTHILL AND AMADOR, WELL STEP ASIDE CAUSE HERE COMES DUBLIN HIGH!!

THAT REPORT IS ACCURATE AND DUBLIN HIGH HAS MADE INCREDIBLE STRIDES!!

THIS SCHOOL RECEIVED A GORGEOUS REMODEL, KIDS ARE TAKING PRIDE IN THEIR SCHOOL AND LOVING THE SMALLER CAMPUS FEEL WITH FABULOUS TEACHER INTERACTION AND RELATIONSHIPS TO HELP THESE KIDS SUCCEED IN COLLEGE AND BEYOND.....JUST KEEP WATCHING THIS SCHOOL, CAUSE IT IS ACHIEVING BEYOND ANYONE'S EXPECTATIONS AND ITS A GREAT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN!! PARENTS ARE INVOLVED AND THE PARENTS LOVE THE FACULTY AND THEIR STRICT CODE FOR OUR KIDS!! LET'S GO GAELS, KEEP IT UP!!


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2012 at 11:07 am

Lynn, First, the superintendent has admitted the figures used are wrong and, once submitted correctly, they will drop in the rankings. That said, Dublin has had a very nice remodel and has many very dedicated teachers. Measures by test scores are improving; other measures would indicate it is a good school. I would agree there many reasons for the community to show their pride.


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Posted by Tracey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Kathleen,

Thanks so much for sharing your expertise on...well, just about every post there is! Your clear familiarity with Dublin High makes me wonder which of the "many very dedicated teachers" have you evaluated and/or observed in their jobs? I ask because I have this skeptical "friend" who thinks you just say things to SOUND informed--like it's some kind of pathological need for personal validation on this forum--but that you aren't often in a position to assert many of the things you do with such authority. So would you settle the bet for us re: Dublin High's faculty?

Thanks ever so much!


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Posted by Steven
a resident of Stoneridge
on May 11, 2012 at 12:21 pm

Kathleen never said that.


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Posted by Tracey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm

You may want to read that again, Steven. Here's a helpful hint: look for the quoted words!


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Steven/Tracey, I wonder if you realize exactly how creepy your constant cyberstalking is.


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Posted by Steven
a resident of Stoneridge
on May 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm

I've stated before that I respect you Stacy but I'm beginning to see I am wrong. We have serious issues here being talked about in a very civil manner, and all you seem to be able to do is hearl nasty names at people. Let's try to stick to the issue, shall we?

Now I believe Kathleen just like most residents is the best judge of our school system. We can't trust the teachers because there all unionized and greedy. And we can't trust the administrators because there part of the union gimmikery and greed. And we cant trust the liberal lamestream media. Thats for sure! So I think I'm a beter judge. Not greedy. Just self interested because I don't want the lovely de-ifized leader Obama taking my money and buying campaign trips to gay Hollywood.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2012 at 1:14 pm

Well, none of us have evaluated teachers, but that doesn't mean we can't know if they are dedicated (and I said many, not all), unless you are tipping your hand as an administrator? I have knowledge of teachers at Dublin, walked the new campus even. I'll get this part out of the way: I don't know any of the other Dublin schools at all.

Is this retaliation for saying Dublin High is a good school? It doesn't diminish any kudos for Amador or Foothill to recognize a neighboring school. Not to mention I thought the idea was for all K-12 schools to rise so that all students get the education they deserve. Unless you are advocating for shutting down public education?


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