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If McCain had won

Original post made by HOOPS on Mar 8, 2012

By listening to all the rather harsh critics of Obama,I can only deduce their vision of America today if McCain had won.Unemployment would be 5 %.Gas would be 2 dollarsOur health care premiums are 40% lower than 3 years ago.There would be no foreclosures and our houses increased back to 2006 levels..Iran would no longer have nuclear facilities.Medicare and SS would be fixed.Wall street, totally unregulated and on the honor syste would be thriving in a selfless altruistic way and helping the middle class..There would be a new small business on every corner.Major corps would have returned half their overseas jobs back here.The tax rates would all be lowered yet we would have 25% more revenue.We would be drilling in every square inch of America that had any chance of oil.We would still be in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan would be on the verge of victory with the additional troops.There would be no regime changes in the middle east.Greece would be lending money to Japan.Europe would be stable financially.China would be an equal trading partner.Our cities and states would have money to burn and our schools would all be thriving.Out of repsect for President McCain 12 million illegals returned home and destoyed the drug cartel and created a new economy in Mexico.
Since Obama caused all of these problems I guess with a republican in the all powerful white house,McCain would by the sheer force of his will and the help of super woman Sara Palin as VP rescued us from all of this mess.If only....and all of this with a balanced budget and no more debt.It was all such an easy fix.

Comments (40)

Posted by Yes!!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2012 at 7:47 pm

AHb-so-LUTE-ly! No doubt aBOUT it!


Posted by Yes Sir!, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 8, 2012 at 8:47 pm

"Hoops" I couldn't have said it better....except you can't help Europe and Mexico...


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Hoops starts the thread, and then replies to himself in different names.


Posted by SteveP, a resident of Parkside
on Mar 8, 2012 at 10:26 pm

SteveP is a registered user.

We'll never know, will we? Had the press vetted obama they way they view every republican under a microscope, I doubt he would have been elected, although it would have been close. After all 95 % of blacks felt compelled to vote for him based on race alone and the rest were guilty self loathing white folks who are trying to make up for something they had nothing to do with.


Posted by Yes Sir!, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 8, 2012 at 10:31 pm

Uh Oh ... I think "Hoops" is going to unleash on poor SteveP ... I want to watch this ...


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 7:09 am

No I am not lashing out at anyone.Just tired of all the B.S.and ridiculous statements about Obama.Obama has made mistakes like any human being who walked into the global meltdown would have.But to listen to those who blame him for everything that they are unhappy with in their lives,shows a little bit of ignorance as to exactly how much any president can actually get done on his own.Even Steve knows that if McCain had won things would not be all that much different.There would be no healthcare bill and we would not be pulling out of Iraq but outside of that,pretty similar with the way our wonderful congress works so well together.


Posted by Hmmmmm..., a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2012 at 8:26 am

"We'll never know, will we?"

And that is a good thing. McCain would not have been that much different than Obama. After all, McCain also voted for the bailout and proposed some horrible "help for homeowners" plan - quite liberal if you ask me. He was bad because he is fiscally liberal and socially backwards (or at least willing to be backwards to please the "base")

The difference would have been in the Supreme Court justice appointed - and we do not need another Clearance or Alito in there. (did you know that Clearance is a good friend of Rush Limbaugh, having attended Rush's weddings?)

And then there is backwards thinking, as dumb as they come, Palin. She was the main reason many voted for Obama even though they supported McCain up until he announced his very dumb choice of VP.

Obama has not done a good job and has perhaps made the economy worse instead of better, but McCain would not have been any better, and yet we would be, socially speaking, in an awful place. The though of Palin anywhere near Washington motivated many to vote for someone they did not like or agree with (ie, Obama)

I know the extreme right does not see that, and they continue to be delusional about why McCain lost, they continue to support Santorum, they continue to force Romney to sound so far to the right that his chances in November will be compromised.

Here is what I say to the GOP: stop worrying about the "base" - they will vote for the GOP candidate no matter what. For those extreme right folks who claim they will not support the GOP if extremes like Santorum do not win the nomination: remind them that then they can go vote for the person they hate so much, Obama. Yes, because not voting is like voting for Obama. And electing Santorum is like ensuring an Obama second term. And making Romney sound "conservative" (for the "base" that really mean socially backwards), will only make it easier for Obama to get re-elected.


Posted by Bill Carman, a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 9, 2012 at 9:58 am

There is no question that Obama, like all new Presidents, took a while to get acclimated to the job. Current alternatives from the right do not hold a candle to him and can not defeat him in November. The wing-nuts are self destructing with women and independents. They could lose the house if they continue on the current path.


Posted by LuvPleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 9, 2012 at 9:58 am

What if ... who cares! All I know is a young junior Senator from Chicago came into the "Biggest Financial Disaster" in our nation's history with a filibuster proof Democratic Congress for two years and did what? cashed a $900 Billion check from us for "shovel ready" infrastructure projects and to grow jobs ... there were no "shovel ready" projects (according to our Junior Senator) and the only jobs he saved were Government union worker jobs ... he took over two car companies with $150 Billion of our money, "screwed" the citizen share/bond holders and gave the companies to the public unions who cashed their shares in to beef up their pension plans ... meanwhile our economy is heading for the dumpster and he spends two years on a "Socialistic" Healthcare plan that Democrat/Progressive/Socialists have been pursuing since FDR (latest failure HillaryCare)... they then in their infinite wisdom spent the rest of time creating two new huge Federal bureaucracies (Dodd/Frank)to "Shackle" the business environment to a point where you can't start or run a business ... now with less than one year to an election He decides to focus on Jobs and does what? ... Payroll tax cut .... Ugh! ... What else would I expect from a pot smoking, marxist loving Harvard Grad ...

Meanwhile my Children are shackled with unimaginable debt. I apologize to my children for allowing this to happen.

This is absolute INCOMPETENCE!!!!! Give Me a Break!!! Now I'm the ONE WHO IS TIRED OF THIS BS....


Posted by Phil, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 9, 2012 at 10:32 am

When Obama took office, the economy was losing nearly one million jobs per month and we were in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Not only did President Obama's policies get the crisis under control, but since the end of the recession, they've helped fuel economic recovery with three million private sector jobs created since July of 2009, when the recession officially ended.

This isn't to say that Obama's policies have been perfect—we needed more stimulus more quickly and we shouldn't have gotten sidetracked into a debate on long term fiscal policy. But virtually every idea Republicans proposed would have made things worse rather than better.

Let's never forget that during Bush's eight years in office, the economy lost 646,000 private sector jobs. Under Obama, it's lost 274,000 jobs despite the fact that the economy was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month when he took office thanks to the Bush Republican policies.


Posted by LuvPlerasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 9, 2012 at 10:49 am

The Federal Government has spent 12 Trillion dollars in the last three years piling up an additional $5 Trillion in debt and we LOST 274,000 Jobs!

You call that GOOD! .... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME ... THAT IS BEYOND PATHETIC ... IT IS PATHETICALLY INCOMPETENT...


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 11:38 am

Luv...I have not seen any republican proposals are policies put forth that would have solved any of these problems.I see a lot of blaming Obama but I have yet to see any solutions from the other side except for the same basic stuff they have been saying forever which of course helped cause this mess to begin with.It is easy to blame and a lot more difficult to fix.Romney keeps ripping the GM bailout which was very successful.I watched an interview with Bush's chief economist last week and he said Romney was 100% wrong.There was no private capital to bail out GM and if Obama had not done it we would have lost the industry.You guys act like Obama wanted the gov't to run GM.That is total b.s.and you know it and the facts and results support.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Mar 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm

"There is no question that Obama, like all new Presidents, took a while to get acclimated to the job. Current alternatives from the right do not hold a candle to him and can not defeat him in November. The wing-nuts are self destructing with women and independents. They could lose the house if they continue on the current path."

I think that that's a good point. There is no other job quite like being the President of the U.S.. These Republican candidates will ceaselessly criticize Obama on many points including possible war with Iran, but to sit in the Oval office is to see the world from a different perspective.


Posted by Hmmmmm..., a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm

"The Federal Government has spent 12 Trillion dollars in the last three years piling up an additional $5 Trillion in debt and we LOST 274,000 Jobs!"

And how much money did the Bush administration spend? Obama is awful, I agree, I do not like the job he has done, but Bush was the one who started the big deficit (and Obama made it worse, imo) :

"To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush's record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year. How does that compare to Obama? During Obama's presidency to date, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.723 trillion a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.116 trillion more, per year, than it rose even under Bush."

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"You call that GOOD! .... YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME ... THAT IS BEYOND PATHETIC ... IT IS PATHETICALLY INCOMPETENT..."


So what is your solution? To elect a pathetic and backwards individual like Santorum? Do you not understand that the extreme right is making sure the GOP will not win in November? We had a good chance with Romney, but it will be hard now that he has been forced to sound like a right wing extreme to secure the nomination (if he does).

The extreme right will never get the votes of independents - I know that I would not vote for Santorum and even though I do not want to vote for Obama, I will do so if someone like Santorum gets the nomination.

Also, I like Romney but do not like how he is being forced to take a backwards position on certain issues, just to appeal to the "base." This will hurt him in November.

You and the GOP extreme must not dislike Obama enough because you are certainly doing your part to ensure his re-election, by dragging this primary, by supporting Santorum, by making Romney appear so extreme (right) on certain issues that he will no longer appeal to independents.


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 1:14 pm

The whole repub stance makes ZERO sense.Their best chance to win is let Romney be who he really is,a moderate pro business repub and back him 100 %.What they have done is act like they want to go back to the 1950's socially and they keep spitting out the same pro rich philosophy when the rich are doing better than ever and everyone else is stuggling.Romney knows he is killing his chances now by trying to act like a right winger and he is over-compensating and making one gaff after another to be a "regular guy"which of course he is not.If you want to talk about incompetence you are seeing it everyday from these guys.I cannot believe that Romney when asked, did not stand up like a man and put Limbaugh in his place.He blew it and looked weak.That is what happens when you pretend to be someone you are not.


Posted by Phil, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm

All the right-wing free-choicers are lamenting that Mittens is being forced to spew right-wing glop. The poor thing. He may not be able to stand up to Rush, or the typical Republican, but I'm certain he'll be a holy terror against the likes of Iran and the communist Democrat Party.

Asked to respond to today's job report, yet another robust number, Mittens said the following: " "

Did you get that? Yeah, the guy's a real heavyweight.


Posted by Hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 4:09 pm

I have come up with a theory.I propose that one huge difference between dems and repubs is that the far right composes at least 50-60 % of the repub party and the far left composes about 15- 20 % of the dem party.By far right and left I mean the extreme portion that will not compromise on anything and thinks the other side is evil.


Posted by LuvPleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 9, 2012 at 5:17 pm

"ROBUST" employment numbers ... who are you listening to... You have gotta be kidding me ... there are 5.6 Million less Jobs than there were when this recession started... the number of Americans no longer in the Labor force since 2000 is 17.9 Million ... the unemployment rate for ages 20-29 has risen from 6.5 Percent to 13 percent since the recession started ... When the President took office the number of long-term unemployed workers in the US was 2.6 Million it is now at 5.6 Million ... only 65% of men have jobs today ... 40% of the jobs today are low income jobs .... ROBUST... it's PATHETIC!!!!!


Posted by LuvPleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm

I expect Our President to address these issues ... who cares if it is a Republican or a Democrat ... look at History and see what works ... Reagan and Clinton DID THEIR JOBS!!!!! NO Whining!!!!! worked with what they had and GOT THE JOB DONE!!!!!! is this job too big for Our President??????? My Observation is YES!!!! his problem is he is letting his Ideology dictate his actions not solving problems!!!!!!


Posted by Phil, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Yup, 230,000 new jobs this month (which Fox somehow forgot to report, and Romney refused to acknowledge). I recall when Bush crowed in a debate with Kerry that the economy had added 80,000 jobs that month. And I've got a strong hunch that luvvyboypleasanton was crowing right along with him. Just watch the maggot squirm when the Dems start talking about rescinding tax cuts for the rich. Then we'll see how much luvvyboy cares about those poor workers in their low income jobs.

17.9 no longer in the workforce since 2000, eh? But you do realize that more jobs have been created in 3+ years under Obama than 8 years of Bush? And Obama has gotten back a lot of the stimulus money, unlike Bush who simply gave it to the banks' holding companies to do whatever they pleased.

But let's be clear. Luvvyboy simply doesn't want to give any credit to a black man who holds the highest office in the land. Doing so would cut against his belief system.


Posted by LuvPleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Who cares about Bush or Fox or Black or White or Romney or .... We have a $15 Trillion dollar deficit, spending $150B more than we have each month!!!!! a 19.1% underemployment rate, citizens dropping out of the workforce like flies ... housing market that has collapsed and your talking about Bush and Fox and Black and White .... calling people cute little names ....I am talking about ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!!!!! DOING THE JOB!!!! Wake up and get your head out of your ......


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Luv you clearly stated that he is letting his ideology dictate his actions instead of solving problems.Will you agree that the republicans in congress are very clearly letting their ideology dictate their actions in trying to block everything Obama has tried to do to solve those problems.Is it right for an elected official to sign a pledge to not raise taxes under ANY circumstance,even unforseen future circumstances?Is that how we compromise to solve our problems?Even Newt Gingrich was willing to compromise with Clinton to get something done.As much as you want to blame Obama for all your troubles,there is NOBODY on the right willing to compromise on anything,no matter how important to the country, if it helps Obama get reelected.Please do not lecture us on who is letting their ideology dictate their actions.That is clearly a losing argument for you.You like to talk about Obama stepping up and being a man,well unfortunately Luv,you can be the toughest SOB in the world,but the big tough tea partiers who all hide behind their little pledge still get to vote,and since this is America Obama cannot have them removed from office or beheaded or whatever.If only the world was so simple that you could just be a big tough guy and get your way.


Posted by Steve, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Phil, you forgot to mention that unemployment is still at 8.3%. How is that possible with your messiah having created all those new jobs? Explain.


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 7:34 pm

Just one last little tidbit.Bush was atough guy.A texan who talked the big talk.Well we he left office we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month and we were on the edge of a global depression.Now of course is expected by you guys to completely reverse all of this in 3 years with the repubs fighting with every ounce of b.s they have to block his every move.4 million jobs have been created in the last 2 years...not lost.The last time I looked Osama Bin Laden was dead.The tough texan and the tougher Cheney could not get it done.Like to compare how many ALQ leaders HAVE BIT THE DUST under Obama vs Bush?The truth of the matter is the stimulus did what it was suppose to do..It prevented a global depression and has given us a chance to slowly dig out from the horrendous mess the tough talkin texan left us.Luv you keep sayin be a man and get the job done but I have seen ZERO solutions from you..just a lot of complaining and blaming.


Posted by b, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2012 at 7:38 pm

I guess we should all vote for O'Romney because he can afford to just hire us all, and then will lower tax rates to 15% for the rest of us. It would be really great!!


Posted by HOOPS, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm

Steve,so now you are denying the jobs were created.The number is still 8.3 because of the number of new people who entered the workforce.Just be honest.If unemployment went dowm to 6 % by the end of the year you would still say everything about Obama you are now.So what is the point of even talking about it?


Posted by HOOPS, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm

Steve,so now you are denying the jobs were created.The number is still 8.3 because of the number of new people who entered the workforce.Just be honest.If unemployment went dowm to 6 % by the end of the year you would still say everything about Obama you are now.So what is the point of even talking about it?


Posted by Phil, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm

Hoops' explanation is pretty close to that given by the NYTimes:

'Three consecutive months of solid employment growth have begun to lift the mood of consumers and the unemployed.

The economy added 227,000 jobs in February, the Labor Department reported Friday, and though the unemployment rate held steady at 8.3 percent, that was largely because nearly half a million people had joined, or resumed, the search for work in hopes their prospects had improved.'

Of course neither explanatioon will edify intellectually challenged Steve, for it would take a 9th grade education to reach an adequate understanding.


Posted by b, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm

McCain circa 2004 was left of Obama 2012. Just saying'.


Posted by Phil, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 10, 2012 at 6:29 am

Yeah, and look what the Republicans did to him back then!

Republican Memo to Obama: You are making inadequate progress getting us out of the hole we dug for you despite our opposition to every program you propose.


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 10, 2012 at 9:32 am

Game Change is on HBO tonight.It is suppose to be excellent and fair.It does not do a hatchet job on Palin.My view of Palin is that she was the typical smart kid in high school that does not like school and hates to study.She is extremely ambitious,wants to be a celebrity and is not someone you want in high office.She is not evil or bad but has a very polarized and limited view of the world.She has a lot of charisma and has turned that into multi millions of dollars.Very few people in this country are capable of doing what she did and making the money she has made.I do not like her politics but I give her credit for having the talent to make herself rich.Alaska is a wierd and quirky state and probably the only state she could have been a gov in,but she was smart to cash in.I would prefer she stay out of the national dialogue because I do not believe she has much to say.


Posted by HOOPS, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 10, 2012 at 9:52 am

One last thing about the difference between repubs and the dems.I think the Daily Show is one of the best and funniest shows on tv.If you have never watched it you should give it a try.John Stewart is a dem and always battles with Fox and their personalities.Here is the difference.Hannity did what he thought was some big expose on Obama,showing a speech he made when he was at Harvard,introducing a controversial law professor.It was ridiculous and there was nothing whatsoever wrong with anything Obama said and it was 30 years ago.Very weak and pointless attempt to rip Obama.Of course Stewart played the actual speech and made fun of Hannity because there was nothing controversial about it.Really.But what Stewart,a dem, did next was show clips of Obama the last few years that Hannity should have used.An example being Obama saying it is crazy to do the same things over again that led to these problems,and then showing Obama appointing Summers to get us out of the financial crisis when Summer's policy suggestions had helped create the crisis years ago.Stewart showed about 3 similar situations critical of and making fun of Obama.FOX would NEVER do that to a republican leader..No right leaning program would ever do that.


Posted by b, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2012 at 3:05 pm

Why do we have to be "fair" to Palin? She put herself in the spotlight, and she deserves everything she gets. She's an idiot, as is anyone who considers her a capable leader.


Posted by Palin Worshipper, a resident of Parkside
on Mar 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm

Kardashian girls, Courtney Stoddard, Paris Hilton, Sarah Palin -- they are all hot babes who are multitalented. Kardashian girls all have Ph.D.'s and are sensational reality tv actors; the 17 year-old Stoddard passed on a full scholarship to Oxford (back when she was 32); Paris Hilton sings like an angel -- Adele move over!; and Sarah Palin is a prodigious reader of American history and contemporary journalism. Geniuses, each and every one of them. They're wealthy, so they must be!


Posted by PW, a resident of Parkside
on Mar 10, 2012 at 5:17 pm

I forgot Snooki, another genius in the Sarah Palin mode.


Posted by HOOPS, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 10, 2012 at 7:01 pm

Oh Well.You can ridicule and insult Palin all you want and the other guys will ridicule and insult Obama.I guess that kind of makes us as bad as the idiots in congress who will not compromise on anything.I think Palin is the weakest candidate in history,but I was pointing out that I do not think any of you or I could make the speeches,debate Biden or turn ourselves into a multi-millionaire.I will say she is quite a step up from a Kardashian.One of the saddest things about our country today is the fact so many people with so little to offer have become so rich and famous.Kim Kardashian is amazing.The one asset that she has is she is goodlooking but half of that is plastic surgery.Boob jobs,some kind of butt job and I can only imagine what else.So sad that so many worship her for what?I do not get it.I can get how the far right like Palin because she feeds them the raw meat and she is charasmatic and pretty good looking.I did lose any respect I had for McCain when he chose her.


Posted by B gone, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm

Why do we have to be "fair" to Fluke? She put herself in the spotlight, and she deserves everything she gets. She's an idiot, as is anyone who considers her anything but a tramp.


Posted by Phil, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 10, 2012 at 7:59 pm

Hoops says "I do not think any of you or I could make the speeches,debate Biden or turn ourselves into a multi-millionaire."

I'm going to take issue with you on this, Hoops. First, Palin did not make any of the speeches she delivered. Second, I think I could have done a better job in the vice-presidential debate than did Palin, although I liked her skin-tight black dress, the high leather boots, and her sexy winking to the audience. Moreover, in less than 60 seconds I'm certain I could name off at least 30 names of people I have known in my life who could have done much better in the debate than she did. Third, any idiot can cash in on sudden fame like she did. All it took was quitting the job of governor that she had sworen to uphold, sponging off National Enquirer/National Review/Hillbilly audiences who thirst for right-wing celebrities who talk gibberish and wink to the audience in a sexy manner, and playing along with the right-wing power elite (see Rupert Murdoch and Fox News).

Surely you're not falling for the myth of becoming a multi-millionaire, are you? Donald Trump is a multi-millionaire. Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, and probably half of the right-wing goofs who post on these threads are multi-millionaires.


Posted by b, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2012 at 8:02 pm

Oh, I will gladly grant you that Palin is a talented entertainer.


Posted by Hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 11, 2012 at 9:46 am

Phil...I hear you.I realize that Palin did not write any speeches and memorized a bunch of sound bytes for the debate.All I am saying is that I believe it is much harder than it looks.Nixon lost to Kennedy because he looked uncomfortable and was sweating in their debate.Paris Hilton or Kardashian would have been laughed off the stage.As I stated it is sad that so many with nothing to offer of any substance can become rich and famous.Whatever IT is she has enough of it to become a real candidate to her followers.I doubt there are 5 women in America who could have pulled off what she did.There are countless women who are more articulate,intelligent,blah blah blah,but do they have the IT factor?No.I cannot stand listening to her b.s. but she has an undeniable talent.


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