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Police investigating two weekend armed holdups

Original post made on Feb 22, 2012

Two separate armed robberies took place in Pleasanton over Presidents Day weekend, and police say they have "excellent leads" in both. One took place in broad daylight in the parking lot at Stoneridge Shopping Center on Sunday, and involved a man, his sister and her husband and their two children.

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Posted by Graziano
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:17 am

So, are the Pleasanton Police assigned more officers to robbery prevention and less oficers with radar guns to hiding behind bushes, buildings and parkings structures to catch people driving 30 mi/hr?


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Posted by TAK
a resident of Oak Hill
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:49 am

Looks like another reason law-abiding citizens should be allowed to bear arms in California like the U.S. Constitution provides. "Would you go duck hunting if you knew 5% of the ducks could shoot back".


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 22, 2012 at 10:45 am

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Posted by Maja7
a resident of another community
on Feb 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm

The 1st victim's chased the suspects? Did I miss something in reading this article? Where in the article is the advice from Pleasanton PD that citizens should NEVER do this! Seriously, people no material item is that important for you to chase/pursue someone that has just robbed you at gunpoint!


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Posted by P*town Truth Teller
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 1:44 pm

The "urban" element is creeping into our town and this entitlement class demands point-of-contact "reparations." With low-income housing starting up, this is just the beginning of what's to come. And the overall political sentiment of the liberal East Bay is that we probably deserve it - as we must be akin to the "1%" if we live in Pleasanton.

Alameda County needs to allow law-abiding citizens concealed carry. Alameda Sherriff won't let you even if you live in a bad part of Oakland or have been robbed at gunpoint in front of your house. In the end it's going to make criminals of the innocent. If I get a gun pulled on me, if I do nothing, I might get killed; if I defend myself, I might go to jail for carrying a concealed weapon. Liberal leaders have made it to where the criminal has nothing to lose and the law-abiding taxpayer has no way to win in California. Gee, I wonder why we're losing all the producers who pay for this welfare state?


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Posted by Donald
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm

@nick why does every republican blame the current president for everything? How is it any presidents fault there were two armed robberies in pleasanton? Look at the crime stats for any city when a republican was in office. Only a fool can try to blame everyday crime on any sitting president. the laws and those that enforce and prosecute them are at a local, county or state level. get your head out of your a** youll be able to think clearer.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Feb 22, 2012 at 2:10 pm

Lately it seems that intelligent comments on these PW forums are few and far between. I'm not going to bother to comment further on some of the posts here.


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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Feb 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm

... I thought that both Maja7's and Donald's comments were quite intelligent and spot-on.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 22, 2012 at 2:31 pm

Our welfare and food stamp entitlement president has pulled out every trick in the bag to stick it to real Americans. He's for the criminal 99% that wants to rob everyone else. His liberal elitist bias won't let me carry a handgun. Now, without a gun, I have to hand over my credit card and the spare change I have in my pocket. If I shoot the criminal, I don't have to cancel my credit card, and I hold on to my spare change. But then I have to go to jail. Criminals can do whatever they want to in this state. Our prisons are empty because union cops are too lazy to apprehend and the Democrat liberal judges too weak-kneed to convict. The only prisoners left in the California prison system are people who defended themselves against armed robbers. But go ahead, Donald, keep on drinking that Obama kool-aid. Santorum is going to clean his clock in this state, no two ways about it. 20 percentage points, at least.


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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Feb 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm

... and Nick's comment was not.

Where is the possible factual basis for your statement "The only prisoners left in the California prison system are people who defended themselves against armed robbers"? Can you name even one prisoner in the California prison system who is there because he/she defended him/herself against an armed robber? Just one, let alone the wild statement that out of the thousands of prisoners in California today, that ALL of them are there because of that??


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Posted by donald
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm

@Nick. You might want to do some real reading and your own research, and not just the bathroom journal published by the republican naysayers. Please tell me where there are empty prisons? Most, if not all prisons are over 100% capacity across this nation. Please tell me what policy the current President made that says you can't carry a conceled weapon? Again, those laws are handed down by local, county and state governments. The main reason there are no viable Republicans running for the Presidency in 2012 is because the ones that actually have the smarts aren't going to throw time, energy and money into a losing battle. We won't see a viable republican candidate until 2016, if then. Santorum by 20 in California? I think not.


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Posted by Kat
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm

I agree with Donald, this is not an issue that narrows down to your political beliefs or who the current president is!

Nor are these crimes solely based on the perpetrators ethnicity. We live in a multicultural country in which people from around the world are living.

I do not agree that if we each carried a concealed weapon to "defend" ourselves we would be "safer". Many times the owners weapon is used against him/her by the attacker. Where is our country headed if we all are allowed to carry concealed or unconcealed weapons and get to decide when we "feel" threatened enough to use our weapon for self defense.


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Posted by Hey Graziano
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Graziano, when you learn to spell and use the proper grammar, then you can comment. For now, why don't you pay for your speeding ticket, attend traffic school and stop complaining about something you have zero knowledge of.


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Posted by AMAZED
a resident of another community
on Feb 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm

@TAK. 7-Eleven clerk is probably alive because he was not packing a gun. If everybody carried one, a rubber probably will shoot the victim in the head instead of threatening him/her.
@ ALL OF THE ONES TRYING TO SOMEHOW BLAME PRESIDENT FOR THESE TWO INCIDENTS: You forgot to blame President Clinton if assailants were born between Jan 20, 1993 & Jan 20, 2001. Or President Carter if they were born between Jan 20, 1977 & Jan 20, 1981! This is just incfredible!!!!


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Posted by none
a resident of Castlewood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm

I find it increasingly sickening to read the comments on this news site. The amount of hatred, racism, and partisan idiocy is absolutely frightening. How depressing that I shop and live and work near these people, and don't know the sickness, paranoia, or evil that dwells within.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 22, 2012 at 8:54 pm

@Sam. He doesn't have any ideas except Democrat Party pablum, and so resorts to calling people names.

@none. Sounds like a typical whiney elitist liberal. No brains, just calls people names.

@Donald. There's no such thing as a "full prison". Theres always room for more. That was my point. I get a load out of birdbrains like you who say the moral right is fighting a losing battle. We will win, Santorum will skewer the satanic Obama, because we're the party of ideas.


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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:20 pm

@Nick: I noticed that when you avoided the other posters' direct questions, you neglected to answer mine. I'm guessing the question was too difficult, that answering it might require you to dig a bit and maybe backtrack on some of your wild accusations? Perhaps not; perhaps you just overlooked the direct questions and will answer them soon? We await the answer.

To reiterate: Where is the possible factual basis for your statement "The only prisoners left in the California prison system are people who defended themselves against armed robbers"? Can you name even one prisoner in the California prison system who is there because he/she defended him/herself against an armed robber? Just one, let alone the wild statement that out of the thousands of prisoners in California today, that ALL of them are there because of that??


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Posted by Stats
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:23 pm

This site is amazing. How is giving a 'description' to police racist ??? puzzles me. I would guess in tri valley, armed roberies are probably in order, hispanic, black, white. Regardless, in the end it becomes just a mathematical statistic. What is, is....no lie.
stats are available...surely you don't suggest hiding the facts.
I'm pro gun, but Nick, there is NO way the needed Independents of our 50 states would elect Santorum President, so I hope he is not the nominee. Again, it is strictly a numbers game, pure MATH. The one who collects the most marbles in the end, WINS !


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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:25 pm

And, um, @Nick: when you said to Donald, "There's no such thing as a "full prison". Theres always room for more. That was my point", we are ALL pretty sure that you were you replying to his question about your comment "Our prisons are empty because union cops are too lazy to apprehend and the Democrat liberal judges too weak-kneed to convict".

I don't know about most intelligent human beings in Pleasanton, but my guess is that "Our prisons are EMPTY" does NOT equate to "There's always room for one more... that was my point!"

Geez.


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Posted by Donald
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:27 pm

@nick you should probably stop replying to posts, you sound stupider and stupider with each post. Good night Pleasanton :)


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Posted by Welllll
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:31 pm

(Post removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff for containing unverified or personal information.)


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:45 pm

@ The genius poster "(not)Actually" says, "Can you name even one prisoner in the California prison system who is there because he/she defended him/herself against an armed robber?"

Typical Democrat Party rot. Calling names and hurling pseudo questions as if they are relevant. Let me repeat it for you, Genius. If you're not allowed to carry a firearm from home to grocery store, you live in the prison of your mind, constantly in fear of being victimized by criminals who run the prison. In Texas, university students are allowed to carry firearms into the classroom. See any hold-ups of students in the Texas classrooms lately? If even a small percentage of deer had rifles mounted on their antlers there'd be a lot fewer hunters, believe me.


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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:52 pm

Welllll, I am not familiar with your brother's case, and I am sorry if he is in prison for something that you feel that he did not deserve. Perhaps Nick WAS thinking of this one case when he made the assertation ""The only prisoners left in the California prison system are people who defended themselves against armed robbers"?", but I really can not say for certain. And if this one case is one where someone did defend themselves against armed robbers, then he still has a lot of validation to do regarding the thousands of other prisoners who are currently occupying our California prison system that he says are ALL people who were incarcerated because they were defending themselves against armed robbers.

Again, Welllll, if your brother was innocent, my apologies to your family, although I had nothing to do with deciding this case, obviously. Here is what I found looking on the internet:
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For the record, I am caucasian, but the mere words "Aryan Brotherhood" give me the creeps in the worst way.


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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 9:54 pm

Apologies, the link did not paste in full. Here it is:
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Posted by Actually...
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2012 at 10:05 pm

@Nick: I believe your answer above did not answer the challenge to your assertion: Where is the possible factual basis for your statement "The only prisoners left in the California prison system are people who defended themselves against armed robbers"?

Deflecting the question by saying that "Typical Democrat Party rot. Calling names and hurling pseudo questions as if they are relevant." is not enough proof. If you make a statement as crazy-wild as the one you made, people are going to ask you to provide proof. Please do.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 22, 2012 at 11:34 pm

Notice how the elitist liberal "(not)Actually..." hogs this site with one post after another. Typical Democrat assumption that he's entitled to all the space because of whatever. Rather than address the problem of criminality, entitlement groups, and how real Americans need to defend their freedom by holstering up, he narrowly defines the issue, takes my statement out of context, and then makes a mountain out of a molehill. Does he posit any evidence of a SINGLE armed hold-up in any Texas college classroom? Nope. These liberal elistists make me want to gag. Indeed! Obama = Nope in 2012.


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Posted by Donald
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 23, 2012 at 7:09 am

(Post removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff as irrelevant to this thread.)


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Posted by RightOn
a resident of Amador Estates
on Feb 23, 2012 at 7:15 am

Dear PTownTruthTeller,
Well said! You are sooooo right!
To all the bleeding heart liberals...I wonder why the "Occupiers" never Occupied Cheyenne! Could it be that the 2nd Amendment actually works!? People are much safer where they have the right to arm themselves.

And the converse is true, as well. The places like Oakland and DC where guns are outlawed are the most dangerous


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 23, 2012 at 9:36 am

I come from a small town of 700 citizens in Arkansas. Everyone carries a rifle whereever they go, even the kids. The town's murder rate is way below Oakland or DC. Of course, the town has always been pretty good about keeping out all the parasitic entitlement groups seeking reparations. Once in a while one creeps in, but with everyone carrying a rifle they're afraid to say anything and then they scurry out to go back to Oakland or some other Democrat-commie haven where they prey upon conservative, God-fearing folk.


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Posted by Donal
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 23, 2012 at 10:15 am

@Jeb Bing

My last post, that you deleted, was relevant to this thread. I was posting 2 verifiable instances in rebuttal to poster Nick's quote:

"In Texas, university students are allowed to carry firearms into the classroom. See any hold-ups of students in the Texas classrooms lately?"

They were 2 articles, one from Jan. 2012 the other from Sept. 2010, of instances where a Texan student has shot and killed other Texan students. I was actually giving factual backup against Nick's spewing of unverified data and statistics.




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Posted by Donald
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 23, 2012 at 10:24 am

@Nick You are not comparing apples to apples when you are putting a town of 700 next to a city of 70,000 or 700,000. You probably knew ALL 700 residents or knew at least their relative. Not likely your neighbor, coworker or cousin is going to rob you at gunpoint, and probably less likely you would shoot them if they did. Pleasanton is a city of almost 70,000. In the middle of the San Francisco Bay area, not a town of 700 like the one in the movie Wrong Turn.

Please, refrain from commenting until you can do so with some intellegence.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 23, 2012 at 11:41 am

Donald or Donal or whatever your name, I'll think about refraining from commenting once you learn how to spell intelligence.

You claim you presented "2 articles, one from Jan. 2012 the other from Sept. 2010, of instances where a Texan student has shot and killed other Texan students. I was actually giving factual backup against Nick's spewing of unverified data and statistics." But were they HOLD-UPS in the classroom??? See the difference? Probably not, but that's your loss.

In my town in Arkansas, first of all, we were mostly Republican, so we didn't feel we were entitled to anything like you see in Oakland or DC. Second of all, nobody got robbed because everyone was carrying a gun. Let me spell it out even clearer for you. If you give local squirrels a bazooka to fire from tree limbs, how many squirrel hunters do you think there'd be? I rest my case, Genius.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Feb 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Nick said: "But were they HOLD-UPS in the classroom??? See the difference?"

So let's see. According to Nick getting killed by a handgun is OK as long as you don't get robbed, too.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Feb 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm

Look, let's be reasonable. When everyone straps up with firearms stuff is bound to happen. That's life. But the important thing is that we serve notice to these entitlement groups who will think twice before demanding reparations at gunpoint.


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Posted by Donald
a resident of California Reflections
on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:29 am

@nick

Sorry I misspelled one word, it was probably due to all the fact checking I was doing on your stats and that I was out sailing the bay at the time. What a beautiful day for sailing I might add. Your last comment was the only one worthy of this thread, and I agree with it, to a point. Bottom line is it doesn't matter who the sitting President is, there will always be crime and criminals.


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Posted by Beth
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:30 am

Just remember.....when seconds count the police are only minutes away. Not their fault, but it is the truth.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2012 at 7:27 am

I realize that the gun issue is a hot button item for many people. Many are absolutely for them , many absolutely against them, and many in-between. However, the real point is defense, self-defense. Regardless of the instrument used, you must be willing to defend yourself, even if they have a gun. Willing to defend yourself against all attacks, violations and trespass, even if others might say 'its only material and not worth it'. It is always worth it. It's worth it to you and to our society as a whole. Naturally one must use good judgement in these matters, meaning that you need to judge when to go it alone and when to retreat and get help. But it does not mean to run and hide somewhere waiting for someone else to hopefully get there in time and take care of this for you. The fact is that from a perpetrators point of view it is a minimal risk to bully someone, threaten someone, steal from someone knowing that current societal mores are to not defend yourself, but to comply at the moment and report the incident after the fact. People have come to believe that it is not their job to stand up for themselves, to fight this threat. People have come to believe that only the Police can protect them. That only the Police 'Should' protect them. This is a false sense of protection. With the exception of traffic control and ticketing (which is active monitoring and prevention) and at times spotting an action while patrolling, every crime you hear about occurred without police presence and protection. The police were notified after the incident. This is not to say that the police do not perform a valuable service, for they do. But in almost all cases, they come only when called to investigate and if possible catch the perpetrator. This is a good thing and the way it should be. Because if we give the police a protection role in our society, it will inevitably lead to locking everyone in their homes where they can be watched to be sure they are protected from all of the possible bad elements that exist outside of the home on the streets. This is how your safety would be guaranteed. You don't think so? Ask why there are no fireworks on July 4th., at the Alameda County Fair Grounds. This restriction on our society and traditions was imposed upon us for 'Our Own Protection' (it may be financial today, but originally for our own good and safety - if you don't know about this one research a gun shooting at the Fair grounds). Bottom line is that I advocate pushing back when threatened. Standing up for ones self and helping others. I advocate to not be afraid of having a weapon to defend yourself and using it when you must. Crime only goes up if they think you're sheep and will just give in. So I applaud the gentlemen who gave chase to the robbers. It was a risk, there is no doubt about that, but a risk worth taking. Remember, the things we do today (giving chase in this case) will have an impact not only today, but in the future, which will in turn give more protection to you and your family. Stand up for what's right and stop thinking its someone else's job.


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