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12 protest new Walmart grocery store planned for vacant San Ramon supermarket site

Original post made on Feb 9, 2012

A handful of San Ramon residents gathered in front of a future Walmart Neighborhood Market Wednesday to protest the big box retailer and call for more transparency in city government.

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Posted by Fridell, a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 9, 2012 at 9:10 am

People really need to start mobilizing to combat the stranglehold that unions have on California. Governments at all levels are near bankruptcy because of obscene compensation packages for government workers, unionized industries are being put out of business, and consumers pay more for housing, medical care, services, and groceries because unions have become too powerful.

In the case of Wal-Mart, people in San Ramon and Pleasanton need to put some real heat on the city councils to approve the Wal-Mart applications. Otherwise, you will continue to pay more for your groceries than you would otherwise. Do you want that money in your back account or that of union workers and fat-cat slug union executives?


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 9, 2012 at 11:28 am

So each of the Walmart family is worth 18 billion. So what? There are fat-cat slug unon executives who are worth at least that much. We've got a few living down the block from us. They've been propagandizing our babysitter, telling her we should pay her more than a dollar an hour. That's how they operate. First they demand that kids can't work in coal mines, and now they demand that babysitters get paid more than a dollar an hour. Because of unions we pay more for education, housing, groceries, and now babysitters. Do they have no shame? Do they have no sense of decency? Indeed, sir!


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown
on Feb 9, 2012 at 2:23 pm

Wow!!! Hey Deneva...You have babysitter that you pay a buck an hour?!? Send me her name...I'll pay her 2 bucks...isn't that the union way? Or is the union way $10 plus benefits? :-)


Posted by ksqmac, a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 9, 2012 at 2:51 pm

No Walmart in San Ramon. This is the wrong City for Walmart - grocery store or otherwise. Allowing just any business into the City degrades the area. We need to upgrade what business are allowed to do business here and retain the image we want for the area.

If the cost of groceries is an issue there are plenty of discount stores already available for that - Food For Less, Save Mart, etc. We don't need yet another in our backyard.


Posted by People control,..not union, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2012 at 3:41 pm

It is highly inappropriate for a PUBLIC union member/union activist to be on the council. At the least, the decent thing to do would be for any council member to excuse themselves from any issue to prevent even the appearance of conflict-of-interest...the only quarantee insuring integrity in dealing with issues of the people.


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Yes, and it is NOT inappropriate for private sector activists to be on the council, because the private sector is good and the public sector is bad. Very VERY Bad!

As to us paying our babysitter $1 an hour, we pay a bonus of $1.25 when we're out past midnight. We figure we've contributed mightily over the years to our babysitter's college tuition at Stanford. That's what being a heroic job creator is all about.


Posted by People control,..not union, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm

daneva, continue reading...........ANYBODY who has a vested interest in ANY topic on council agenda, should act with integrity by excusing themselves from THAT issue ! ! In any other group siituation that I've ever seen, THAT is the position of integrity...zero conflict-of-interest ! ! ! Who could possibly make a case FOR conflict of interest, aka personal bias.


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 9, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Yes, I agree. Except private sector members/activists SHOULD be able to vote on private sector matters, because the free market private sector is free and good and the unions are bad, very bad. And council members who have worked for corporations or who currently work for them SHOULD be able to vote on matters affecting corporations, because corporations are people, and that's by definition people control ... not union. Thanks for the clarification!


Posted by kim, a resident of Del Prado
on Feb 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm

12 people!!!!! wuhu!!! I had 12 people at my house for BUNCO..is that in the news.?


Posted by Steve, a resident of Parkside
on Feb 9, 2012 at 8:58 pm

12 people? The dirty dozen? 12 angry men? A jury of their peers? This is the best clan the union could muster. Pathetic.
Mittens, since you are so obsessed with how much rich successful people make, how much was Steve Jobs worth? Surely, you must know since he's also involved in low wage Chinese operations....but, I guess Apple is exempt from the wrath of elitist libs.


Posted by anti snob, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 9, 2012 at 10:40 pm

so they can have the ugly empty building instead


Posted by clink, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm

My pa use to call it Whale-Mart. Don't know why, but said that it's because of the poor people that shop there. It's no wonder that rich folks don't want a poor people store in their neighborhood. It's just not right. I say, let the rich folks buy from Trader Joes. Let the poor folks buy from Safeway. It's just right, that's all. By the way, who's this guy Cholo. He seems to be a pest. Better not ask. I don't want no trouble.


Posted by John, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 10, 2012 at 7:22 am

If it weren't for unions, we wouldn't have the weekend, the 8-hour workday, workplace safety laws, and any number of other things. Bitterness over what the unions have managed to negotiate for themselves seems to stem from how little people get from their employers in non-union shops. Maybe we should ask why benefits aren't better for everyone rather than complain that some people unionized for a better deal.

Anyway, I strongly disapprove of the Wal-Mart groceries in Pleasanton and San Ramon, but I do think that if people really don't like these places they don't have to shop there. We can make our preferences clear with our shopping choices. But Wal-Mart has the size and power to undercut almost any competitor, suppressing the choices we have. Near the Nob Hill location, there is Trader Joes, Ranch 99, and Fresh and Easy. None are great choices, really, but there is some choice...

I won't shop at Wal-Mart for any reason, and I hope everyone chooses not to as well. But as long as the company agrees to the laws that are in place, I guess they have the opportunity to open...

As for unions, don't get angry at them just because they successfully organized to make their lives better...


Posted by Jimmy Hoffa, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 10, 2012 at 8:52 am

John,

If it weren't for unions, we would still have an auto industry, a shipping industry, a textile industry, and a steel industry. If it wern't for unions, we would have transit systems that weren't a joke.
If it weren't for unions, so many of the things we have to buy would cost much less.
If it weren't for unions we wouldn't have an incompetent slug for our President.
If it weren't for unions, we would have our government dominated by left-wing loons which are running our economy into the ground and letting our country be invaded by illegal immigrants.
If it weren't for unions, organized crime would not be as prevalent as it is in our country.
If it weren't for unions, the productivity of our country would be greater.
If it weren't for unions, our city, county and state governments would not be facing bankruptcy and taxpayers faced with ever increasing taxes.
If it weren't for unions, we would not have lost the work ethic in this country.
If it weren't for unions, our futures would all be brighter.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Feb 10, 2012 at 9:03 am

John, I'd like to suggest there is another alternative in a free market society rather than imposing your will on everyone else, assuming unions are in everyone's best interest.

You say, 'Maybe we should ask why benefits aren't better for everyone rather than complain that some people unionized for a better deal'.
If an employee doesn't like their work situation, there's an easy solution--find another job. You're defense of unions ignores the cost of all goods and services going up as a result of increased labor costs. While unions might have been relevant several decades ago, prior to the waves of Govt regulations that keep businesses under their thumb, that is no longer the case. Hence their declining membership rate and increasingly defensive posturing.


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 10, 2012 at 9:39 am

First, union membership has been going up the past few years, obviously because of Obama who probably carries a hidden union card.

Second, the union-owned auto industry, the union-owned shipping industry ... all of them union-owned should have been eliminated after the unions insisted the industries be moved to the far east.

Third, if all union workers had agreed to work at a competitive rate with far east workers, then things would look much brighter now. We'd have more Walmarts and more chicken farms, like in Arkansas.

Fourth, I had an opportunity to work a couple of union jobs, but I'm too principalled. Instead I work a part-time bartender job and support my family that way.


Posted by People control,..not union, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 10, 2012 at 9:39 am

Jimmy H I love your post...pretty much tells the story. And to John,
GOOD workers didn't and don't have problems. The reason unions have to fight so hard, is because of the slugs that drag the 'producer' mean/average down, It's amazing, in today's enlightened society, that the good workers put up with the union crap, just to have a job, when they could stand alone....except those tally takers and stewards like to pay visits to your home to keep you in line. Fear and intimidation is the union M O. Today, the problem is with the great workers who are intimidated in to staying with the wolf pack.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Feb 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Mittens, I'd love to see the source for your claim about union membership going up. Site your source, otherwise you're just blowing in the wind, again.
Just to help you along, here's a link from the NY Times: Web Link


Posted by Dan, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 10, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Oh genius...so clever aren't you...

Need attention?

Dan


Posted by Bob Lee, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Feb 10, 2012 at 7:15 pm

"The Bureau of Labor Statistics says the number of unionized workers grew by about 50,000 in 2011 to nearly 14.8 million members.
While unions saw losses in the public sector, those were offset by gains in the private sector in construction and health care."

Many sources can be cited. I guess it's convenient to just say unions are bad and that they are declining. Lots of irrational hatred coming from Steve, Dan, Daneva. No reason to lie though. I know of many hardworking Americans who are in unions, and I understand how they have made economic gains they otherwise wouldn't have made in the face of owners' and managements' divide and conquer tactics.


Posted by Steve, a resident of Parkside
on Feb 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm

Bob lee, your generalizations may have some truth to them, but no one ever addresses the cost to all citizens of the economic gains of your buddies. I'm sure your union friends are happy they got their piece of the pie at everyone else's expense, but their attitude is not any different than the divide and conquer business owners you cited.


Posted by LuvPleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Feb 10, 2012 at 10:00 pm

If you want to see the wonderful result of public employee unions and complicit socialistic governments... just look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc and the list will continue to grow as the social welfare state slowly deteriorates the business environment, entrepreneurs, family, incentive to succeed, self-accountability and responsibility ... get educated, use your common sense and look at the RESULTS! show me ONE successful socialistic/employee union driven economy/state... if you know of one GO LIVE THERE... it boggles my mind that you can see these results happen in real time in Europe and still not understand what can happen here... we need to stop this here in the USA before it's too late...


Posted by Frank, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 10, 2012 at 10:05 pm

"grow as the social welfare state slowly deteriorates the business environment"

Social Security and Medicare are destroying America.


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 10, 2012 at 10:53 pm

Yeah, its those darned thuglike union checkout girls and bag boys at Safeway making 10 bucks an hour at everyone else's expense. If Walmart paid 10 bucks an hour, then it might come at the expense of the five members of the Walton family who are each worth 18 Billion smackaroos. Well, okay, that's probably not true, because they're not going to allow anyone to eat into their Billions. Still, it's just too much to stomach. No one should be making 10 bucks an hour if it eats even just a little bit into the Waltons' Billions. C'mon, Pleasanton, you know steve and Dan are sooooo right. Follow their lead and save us from the fat cat sock puppet union vermin oppressors of the rich.


Posted by LuvPleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Feb 10, 2012 at 11:25 pm

Daneva ... all I ask is get educated ... see PensionTsunami.com for real information on what is happening TODAY in your backyard! ... you can't say you haven't been warned... then you can blame all the "rich" people you want - just like those UNEMPLOYED "union checkout girls and bag boys" in the streets of Greece ...


Posted by People control,..not union, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 11, 2012 at 12:10 am

Bob Lee, You cannot mix private unions (private plumbers), and PUBLIC unions (employees of taxpayers). They are NOT interchangable !!


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 11, 2012 at 12:28 am

Look you geniuses, I've done the math. If the Waltons gave their 90 Billion to Greek government it wouldn't make a dent. If checkout girls and bag boys made 2 bucks an hour like they deserve instead the union strongarmed 10 bucks they currently make, Greece would be looking more and more like Mississippi every day. Who wouldn't want that?

I personally mix private unions and public unions because they are both vermin infested institutions that are causing an unsustainable tsunami to wash over people like me. The public worker scum makes me pay higher taxes, the other private scum makes me pay higher grocery prices. What do I care about scum union workers and their family. They don't count. Only real Americans who pay their taxes -- not like the union cheats -- really count for anything. The rest can move to Greece as far as I'm concerned.


Posted by Bill Murray, a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm

"Jimmy Hoffa"- You are obviously an ignorant, closed- minded republican who would rather send jobs overseas than feed his own mother.If you don't understand this reference that is understandable.


Posted by Bill Murray, a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Daneva- Pay your babysitter a decent wage you cheapskate- or aren't your degenerate kids important enough to you? Dont worry about the baggers making the same amount per hour that you spend on a cigar, instead look in the mirror- YOU are the problem in this country not those trying to make a wage and feed their families.You are scum.


Posted by Daneva, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 12, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Bill Murray ... HA! I've never liked your films, except maybe the one on Hunter Thompson and his Gonzo journalism.

You obviously don't know what it is to be a good Republican. My babysitter over the years has learned the value of a dollar. It was her choice to work for me. She could have gone out and smoked pot with her lefty friends (and probably people like you), but she chose instead to take care of our five kids. We've always been fair and balanced with her, and now we share pride in her babysitting money contributing to her college tuition at Stanford.

As a union thug Hollywood actor you want to impose union standards on me. Decent wage? Go tell that to the corrupt Safeway checkout girls and bagboys whose union wages make me pay thirteen dollars for a jar of Skippy peanut butter. Or better yet, take a page out of Ronald Reagan's book. He was a socialist union member like you until he put our boys in costume and sent them to Lebanon.


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