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Bay Area Democratic leaders praise Obama's 'State of the Union' address

Original post made on Jan 25, 2012

Bay Area Democratic officials praised President Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday night.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 6:04 AM

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Posted by gloria
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 8:44 am

"Bay Area Democratic officials praised President Obama's State of the Union address last night."
Of course, they did. The regime is taking names of anyone not towing the party line, especially with obamas low approval numbers and an election coming up.
Now, news would be if the dems honestly critiqued the adminstration and called them out on topics like the hypocrital remarks about regulations. They've increased during obamas stay in office and he wonders why businesses are going overseas. Actions have conseqeunces, even if he can't connect the dots.....


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Posted by charlie Brown
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jan 25, 2012 at 9:10 am

I felt a tingle up my leg a la Chris Matthews... what else!


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Posted by Concerned Californian
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 25, 2012 at 9:35 am

Funny how Obama suddenly cares about the economy now that there's an election coming up.

His actions don't match the rhetoric.

One thing Obama didn't mention was Senator Barbara Boxer's bill to eliminate the 35% tax on repatriating foreign-earned income for US-based muli-national corporations. That's a no-brainer, and many high-tech companies have publicly vowed to hire more people if it passses. But Obama refuses to champion this, therefore most Dems don't support it. Because the administration's approach isn't to eliminate the red tape, it's to put up more red tape to "level the playing field."

It's clear that Obama knows nothing about the private sector. I'm hoping hoping that he doesn't realize he'll definitely lose his re-election bid and declare martial law in order to suspend elections.


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Posted by Member
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jan 25, 2012 at 9:37 am

Hey Pleasanton Weekly:
It is not "news" or "newsworthy" to report that local Democrats praise a Democrat president. That is only "news" if your perspective is left-leaning and Democrat-favoring, which appears consistently to be the case.
The real news that you should report is what did the Republicans and the people who are not Obama fans have to say in response.
Come on -- show us that you have some journalistic qualities; don't just be a cheerleader for the left.


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Posted by Suzanne
a resident of Las Positas
on Jan 25, 2012 at 9:59 am

These so called "leaders" must have not been listening carefully. They were mesmerized by his usual rhetoric. At one point Obama said, "The executive branch also needs to change. Too often it is inefficient, outdated, and remote. That's why I have asked this Congress to grant me the authority to consolidate the federal bureaucracy. So that our government is leaner, quicker, and more responsive to the needs of the American people."

Listen carefully! He was talking about taking power from the Congress and the people and giving it to a sole person or branch!
He wants to CONSOLIDATE the federal bureaucracy into the EXECUTIVE branch? Last time I looked in a dictionary that was called a DICTATORSHIP. For those Democratic "leaders" who loved his speech so much, I will provide the definition of dictatorship since you have probably not cracked open a book in years (except maybe "Dreams from My Father").
: a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique b : a government organization or group in which absolute power is so concentrated
(the italics are mine).
These same sycophantic "Democratic leaders" would be screaming if the same words came from George Bush when he was president. They would have been calling him a Nazi. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, USEFUL IDIOTS! Your guy is not always going to be in the White House. What happens when someone you don't agree with is in the oval office and has a much easier time passing things you don't support?
God save us from our "Bay Area Democratic Leaders"!


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 25, 2012 at 10:27 am

Stacey is a registered user.

"bill to eliminate the 35% tax on repatriating foreign-earned income for US-based muli-national corporations. That's a no-brainer, and many high-tech companies have publicly vowed to hire more people if it passses."

I disagree that it is a no-brainer. The US gave a break once before and it did not result in new hires. A better solution would be to give a tax credit or deduction for companies that prove they hired workers in the US with repatriated funds.

Also, companies already avoid paying taxes on funds they repatriate: Web Link


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 10:29 am

"He wants to CONSOLIDATE the federal bureaucracy into the EXECUTIVE branch? Last time I looked in a dictionary that was called a DICTATORSHIP."

You do realize, don't you, that the Executive Branch already does house the vast majority of the federal bureaucracy? Oh, you don't? I see.


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Posted by Ron
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 11:23 am

I like your responses. Hopefully we will all get out and vote in November!!


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm

As per usual, our pragmatic President hit another one out of the park last night.

An overwhelming majority of Americans approved of the overall message in President Obama's State of the Union speech on Tuesday night, according to a CBS News poll of speech watchers.
According to the poll, which was conducted online by Knowledge Networks immediately after the president's address, 91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved.

He really is our only hope in 2012.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Here are a couple of alternative perspectives on the President's speech for those who actually want to put some thought into this.

Obama continues to talk a good talk. But if you listen carefully, what he is actually proposing is sometimes complete opposite of what he is saying - e.g. saying "no more bailouts" and them proposing a massive new bailout that will benefit delinquent homeowners and big bond holders.


Obama Proposes Mortgage Bailouts, Handouts, Copouts Exactly One Paragraph After Stating "Top to Bottom: No Bailouts, No Handouts, and No Copouts"; How the Taxpayer Ripoff Works

Web Link

President Obama's State of the Union: Ten Skirted Issues

Web Link


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm


GX's idol, Mish states: '"Let's never forget: Millions of Americans who work hard and play by the rules every day" will be royally screwed by Obama's proposition in the form of higher taxes down the road.'

Note how the Repubs can no longer make the claim that Obama has raised or is raising taxes. Now it's all about how in some mythical future American taxpayers will pay higher taxes ... and of course it will be Obama's fault. Sounds pretty desperate to me. It was a long and substantive speech, and this is the best Mish and his lemmings like GX can come up with.

Want to comment on 'bail-outs' of the rich? As in why Romney pays 13.9% taxes on his hard-earned (read: exploitation) 40+ million and my next door neighbor who makes less than 100K pays a higher rate. What a sick joke.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Phil - I take no issue with making the current tax system more equitable. I'd rather see us first get rid of all the loop holes and special rules before we increase the base rates.

I found Mish's piece interesting as it points out an obvious hypocritical point to Obama's speech last night. Right after making a point regarding no more bailouts, he essentially outlines a new bailout.

BTW, the longer the Fed keeps interest rates artificially low, the longer banks will continue to be bailed out to the detriment of all those who live off fixed income.

I am anti-bailout for all. This includes Wall Street, union dominated car companies, profligate states, profligate individuals, etc. In this country of ours where everyone gets a participation ribbon and told they are special and its not their fault, no one truly knows what the consequences are of their poor decisions.

There is a wonderful Bill Boyer piece that outlines how all these bailouts started and how they are corroding our economic system. It is well worth the 30 minutes:

Crony Capitalism and the Entitled Class of Wall Street Financiers; Bill Moyers Interviews David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's Budget Director

Web Link


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 25, 2012 at 5:30 pm

I just don't understand the envy and jealousy of those who fault Mitt for his taxes. This is the system that our Government - rightly or wrongly - put in place. And now because of politics, you want to change it.

You question Mitt's taxes, yet don't question that a good number of our representatives go in to congress as middle class and retire as millionaires! Your criticism is misguided.

And why is it that when you talk about tax fairness, it's always from the position of raising taxes on the wealthy 10% and keeping the middle tax rates the same? Why not lower their taxes?

You can blame businesses, you can blame candidates, you can blame anyone else but the fact is we are being robbed blind by a political class that is in it only for themselves.

They make the rules by which the rest of us follow.

/rant.

Dan











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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Dan and GX are a couple of apologist clowns for the filthy rich. Neither is capable of recognizing that the wealthy are pulling the strings and the pols are simply doing their bidding.

Dan says, hey, what's wrong with Mitt paying a smaller tax rate than his secretaries? Dan, take your head out of the sand. One in four kids is going to bed hungry tonight, and you're out their rolling peanuts down the street with your nose in support of the weasel creep Romney. You're one sick little fella, Dan.

GX is disingenuous, contradictory, deceptive, and ultimately proves himself to be a liar. What does GX mean by 'more equitable tax system'? Well, he's told us before. He wants poor people paying more taxes and rich people paying less. Everything that doesn't immediately benefit GX is called a 'bail-out'. But GX's own tax credits, social security benefits, medicare, unemployment compensation, food stamps (perhaps), well those are just his just desserts. Like Dan, GX is a sick and pathetic joke.

Romney stared into the face of America the other night and told us that gas prices had doubled since Obama's term began. He lies like this routinely. He doesn't work -- never really has -- doesn't circulate with regular people, and so must think they are stupid enough to believe his lies. Oh, yeah, and Gringrich pulled in 1.6 million for being the historian he is. I'll tell ya, I can't wait until November when Obama cleans the clock of either one of these frauds.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 7:41 pm

I find it interesting that often times those that are most vitriolic on these blogs are most inaccurate.

I won't bother responding to Phil anymore other than showing that his last statements are patently untrue. Anyone could have done a simple search to locate the following:

Web Link

Gas prices have in fact almost doubled since the start of Obama's term. But I am intellectually honest enough and aware enough to realize that this had absolutely nothing to do with Obama. It has everything to do with the Fed and its monetary policy.

It is too bad that the Phil's of the world won't admit that Obama has received some of the highest amount of campaign dollars from Wall Street (how else is he creating a Billion dollar war chest?) and that it is the Fed's policies that continue to bail out banks (even today) to the detriment of lower income people.

Does anyone believe the Fed's BS that there has only been 2% inflation over the past year? Who is this inflation hurting the most? The poor.


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Posted by Gloria
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 8:00 pm

Wow, Phil, slippers, Jane, etc. another transparent, vacuous post ripping anyone to the right of Genghis Khan.
You certainly know frauds, and your messiah is a prime example.
Gotta love those leftists propensity to call people names when they can't formulate a rebuttal, much less form a cohesive thought.
You're a sad excuse for a human, Phil.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm

No, of course GX will not bother responding to me. He has no response other than a simple graph. Read it for yourselves. Instead, he talks about 'honesty'. It would be no less dishonest to state that gas prices under Obama are significantly less than they were 3-1/2 years ago. Liars use stats, GX, as you well know.

Charged with advocating a revamped tax system that places greater burden on the poor and less burden on the rich, GX doesn't deny or defend. Instead, he cowardly offers the makings of a crackpot conspiracy theory regarding rate of inflation. Gotta love the guy, though. He never fails to present seriously screwed up views extracted from the lunatic element of the Republican Party.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 8:16 pm

... Happy to see that Gloria recognizes that most of the right-wingers on these posts are to the right of Genghis Khan.

... And happy too that Gloria recognizes so many right-wingers like Dan and GX who can't formulate a rebuttal, much less a coherent thought.

Please continue with your valuable contributions, Gloria. Your inability to use the English language can always be relied upon to have you saying exactly what you don't mean to say, and that you are too dumb to even realize it.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm

Phil,

When you rebut my actual points maybe we can have a dialog, genius.

Now stop crying about other peoples success and live your life.

Dan








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Posted by can't stoop too low
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 25, 2012 at 9:43 pm

Phil's diatribe is so childish more suitable to a schoolyard bully....so totally demeaning to our governmental process...,.
simply not worthy of anyone's time.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 25, 2012 at 10:28 pm

Always a pleasure hearing from Pleasanton's right-wing cut-and-paste goofs. They're quite a bunch. Clowns one and all.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 7:44 am

Phil (or do I call you genius?)

Chew on this: Web Link

So keep arguing about the wealthy, genius. Our politicians are passing legislation and enriching themselves in the process and you still maintain that the problem is the wealthiest 1%.

Indeed.

Dan


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Posted by Angus
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 9:38 am

Phil....cut and paste? Have a wee look at yourself in the nearest mirror. All Republicans evil....All Democrats dedicated to the betterment of the down trodden...how tediously, unremarkably intellectually vapid.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 10:22 am

I never said the problem is the wealthiest 1%. I'm saying when top 10 percent of pop own 80% of the wealth, and one in four kids are going to bed hungry in America, something is seriously wrong. Attempts to deflect the problem to politicians, teachers, and cops is either utterly transparently simpleminded, dishonest, or both.

Dems v. Reps? Look at voting records on issues such as health care, tax cuts for the filthy rich, unemployment compensation. No differences, eh? All pols bad eh? But that's all right, keep defending the likes of Romney to make his millions without lifting a finger, without planting a crop, without producing a computer part, without placing one brick atop the other. He and so many others make their millions that way. Do you not think other people's lives undergo serious hardship when leeches like Romney suck the blood from American citizens. Like I say, Dan, GX, Angus, stooper, Gloria -- assuming you're different people -- are beyond being wrongheaded. [removed]

By the way, haven't read 'any' of you offer credit to Obama for raising the issue of insider trading in Congress. Can anyone in their right mind imagine Bush having done that? [Removed]


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Posted by Ngo Loon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 10:48 am

I don't ever recall the Pleasanton Weekly having a post called "Bay Area Republican leaders praise Bush's 'State of the Union' address. As a matter of record, when the PW posts anything political it is almost always hyping the left-wing loon manifesto, whether its backing the Hippy Mayor, Moonbeam Brown, thieving Assembly members, or Obama. That's why the primary purpose of the PW print edition in our house is lining the bottom of our parakeet's cage. That way we get to make our editorial comments to the PW on a once-every-several-hours basis.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 11:02 am

As per usual, our pragmatic President hit another one out of the park last night.

An overwhelming majority of Americans approved of the overall message in President Obama's State of the Union speech on Tuesday night, according to a CBS News poll of speech watchers.

According to the poll, which was conducted online by Knowledge Networks immediately after the president's address, 91 percent of those who watched the speech approved of the proposals Mr. Obama put forth during his remarks. Only nine percent disapproved.

He really is our only hope in 2012.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 11:06 am

Looks like all is well. Silly me for thinking otherwise. I really wish I could be brainwashed by Obama's soothing positive words, but I just can't find it in me. Ignorance would be bliss in this case.

Taxpayers Lose Another $118.5 Million As Next Obama Stimulus Pet Project Files For Bankruptcy
Web Link
Update: America Has A $16.4 Trillion Debt Ceiling In 52-44 Senate Vote
Web Link

And oh BTW, Republicans aren't much better. All they talk about is reducing taxes without dealing with the hard problems: right sizing our military, getting our entitlement programs under control, etc.

Neither political party has the courage to speak honestly to US citizens. Unfortunately it is going to take another crisis to effect the necessary change. But don't worry, it's coming regardless of Obama's happy talk.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 11:31 am

Genius,

Who said anything about Dems and Repubs?

For those interested in the data points of the CBS poll that our resident genius keeps touting, read 'em and weep:
Web Link

Regarding the wealthiest 10%, check out this little diddy from a seemingly middle-of-the-road source: Web Link

Don't let any of those facts get in the way of your narrative, genius.

;-)

Dan


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 11:35 am

So, in other words, GX's politics is to the right of the Republican Party, thereby placing him somewhere between Michelle Bachmann and David Duke. Apparently he likes a century of govt subsidizing of the oil industry, but he's against subsidies when it comes to progressive, planet-friendly companies. GX apparently doesn't have any knowledge of how frequent bankruptcy is for new start-up companies. He loves to inhale those gas fumes he's been sucking on all day.

Debt ceiling. And how much did Iraq war contribute to that? Why aren't the wealthies 10%, who own 80% of wealth, contributing more to paying off the debt?

GX likes Romney being subsidized with tax breaks so he can maintain his sheltered money in Caymans and Swiss banks. GX wants pols to have the 'courage' to talk to the public about raising taxes on poor people who already pay a greater percentage of their income to taxes than do the rich. This isn't courage. It's stupidity, offered by someone who prowls the internet for no other reason than to satisfy his nose for dirt.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 11:52 am

Thanks for the source. A few point are worth highlighting:

The 10% of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70% of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average 29.1% of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15% of their income in federal taxes.

Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5% of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7%.

I guess some people won't be happy until the wealthy are turned into their personal slaves and can be taxed at 100% of their income. BTW, even if their tax rate were 100%, we'd still have massive deficits.

And so the big problems still go unaddressed ...


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:10 pm

GX,

The % of taxes paid by the wealthiest 10% is truly astounding and yet, we have those in our society who still demand they pay more. Amazing!

Its always "give me more".

Dan


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm

The biggest problem is stupidity. There's a difference between what is the written tax rate and what the rich do to avoid paying -- e.g., see Romney's 13.9% on 40+ million. It's dishonest for GX not to acknowledge that; but he is a dishonest fellow as pointed out on these threads time and again.

If top 10% are paying 70% of fed income taxes, and a la Romney they're using all kinds of shelters in order to pay only 13.9%, the answer is pretty clear. We are not bringing in enough fed income taxes from the top 10%. But GX, so eager to kiss Romney's boots, wants us to believe that there are forces at work that will tax him at 100%. Big difference between 13.9% and the slavish 100% that GX so childishly resorts to.

Then, GX, the dishonest one, with his lips puckered onto Romney's boot, forwards the following lie: "BTW, even if their tax rate were 100%, we'd still have massive deficits." The lie and dishonest uses of stats are the modus operandi of this shill for the rich. The odor of his sickness is overwhelming.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Romney pays 13.9% on 40+million, and sick little Dan chides 1 out of 4 hungry children in the US for wanting more. Yeah, well: "I would like some more, sir."


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Yes Dan - very eye opening. Now even though I personally benefit from the lower rate for capital gains and I despise inefficient government, I am OK with adjusting this rate to make it more equitable.

But unfortunately, I don't think this is going to matter. Just like what is happening in Illinois:

Illinois' 62% Income Tax Hike of 2012 Not Enough to Keep Up With Pensions and Medicaid (editorial - Chicago Tribune)
Web Link

Tax/spend entitlement governments will do what they do until they put themselves out of business.

I just wish people would realize that this populist diversion isn't going to fix anything. Our government (like much of the governments of the developed world) have promised more to their people than they can deliver.

We've got to start dealing with the hard problems.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm

Genius,

Strawman much?

Take your bait to someone else, friend.

Dan



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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:39 pm

The dishonesty and hypocrisy of Phil is interesting to say the least given how vitriolic that person is.

I do hope people:
- read the article (and investigate more on their own)
- appreciate the government sources referenced in the article
- understand basic tax jargon and not get fooled by Phil's mis-quotings
- understand that exceptions like Romney are not the average
- appreciate how divisive and disingenuous Obama is being but making this a central issue
- begin to appreciate the big picture here.

Again, I am OK with fixing the tax code to eliminate special rules that benefit small numbers of people. I just realize this isn't going to fix our core problems.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:40 pm

GX,

Well we'll have to differ on raising rates to be more equitable.

My distrust of our political class is such that I don't believe that sending them more money makes things better, there are just too many data points to suggest otherwise.

My suspicion is that you get more economic stimulus on lowering the middle class rates then by raising other rates. I have no evidence other than my own behavior when I get more money. I up my savings/investments and buy more goods and services.

I suspect most everyone does one or both of these things when they have a similar situation.

Seems pretty basic to me but then I'm not as smart as "genius".

And apparently I don't like kids. :-)

Dan



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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 12:53 pm

I don't like "feeding the beast" either. I guess I am looking to remove a diversion to people will start waking up to the big issues we are facing.

But maybe I am just fooling myself - ie. the Illinois example above. Governments like Illinois, Greece, etc. continue to prove that no matter how much money they have, they can't solve their problems.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 26, 2012 at 1:09 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

The core problem is that there's a revenue/spending imbalance. Federal revenue has fluctuated between roughly 15-20% of GDP since World War II and marginal tax rates have also fluctuated depending on public tax morale (like Dan distrusting the political class). The last time it was above 20% was during the Clinton years (20.6%). Federal spending needs to remain around 15-20% of GDP. No one is going to like paying for 20% of GDP if spending is well above that with no end in sight. The behavior to avoid paying taxes all together will increase and those who can afford to avoid paying taxes will. That's why the solution has to be a combination of tax increases and spending cuts.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Stacey,

I appreciate your rational response, however, I think you have failure analysis confused with root cause.

In this case, failure analysis is demonstrated as rev/spending being out of whack. The solution (as you say) is a combination of tax increases and spending cuts. But therein lies the issue: you haven't figured out HOW the problem was created so that you can avoid making the same mistake.

Since the problems are created through legislation (or lack thereof), then the root cause lie in the legislator because only he/she has the power to vote one way or the other.

I know I harp about this, but maybe its because I'm in a position of accountability and so my senses are a little more finely tuned to being responsible and make good decisions for those I work around.

Its my job!

Is it too much to ask that we have our elected politicians live up to the same ideals? They lecture us about global warming, yet they fly all over the world in tax-payer subsidized aircraft. They ask us to invest honestly, yet they partake in insider trading schemes.

I can go on and on but you know my story. :-)

Honestly, the vitriol against bankers and big business is ridiculous when compared to what our elected officials are carrying on with and yet we continue to get sucked into these class wars while they slide off.

/rant...again.

Dan


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Note how neither of the right-wing cut-and-paste fruitcakes addresses the problem of poverty in the US. No, instead, all they can do is fret over their own tax rates -- you know, those BIG problems facing this country.

When GX points to Greece and "all the money" it has, he neglects to mention that in fact Greece has very little money because the wealthy in Greece pay very little in taxes. Just over the past few days the Greece govt has attempted to begin enforcing retroactive taxes on the filthy rich who have escaped paying taxes through widespread and systematic bribery and fraud.

Oh, yeah, and Romney's 13.9% is an exception. Right. This level of stupidity has not been evident on these posts for at least a couple of days. Feed the hungry children! How? GX wants us to raise the tax rates on poor people!

Such is why Obama wins in a route this November. And dolts like GX and Dan will slap themselves on the back for being smarter than the American people. Speaking of whom: Care to have the people vote democratically on what constitutes a fair and equitable tax rate for the rich? Didn't think so.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 2:27 pm

Genius,

Care to explain the data in that CBS poll you haven't mentioned in a while?

LOL...it is to laugh!

Have a nice day, friend.

Dan


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm

91% of those polled by CBS thought positively of Obama's message -- one that included what his administration had accomplished over the past three years and what he still wanted to get done. Also, on the likelihood that some are too dense to have grasped it, Obama put forward a values message that signalled the need for greater attention to income and tax inequality. I guess the two chumps Dan and GX missed these things because they were only listening for whether Obama wanted to raise or lessen their own personal taxes. Breaking news analysis: Hey creeps, the world is more expansive than your own bellybuttons.

Larger lesson to be gained. The cut-and-paste boys can do only that. Challenge them to a debate on any single issue and they will squirm every which way, bemoaning that their critics use language that is too harsh for their delicate sensibilities, while they demonstrate at the same time that their own sensibilities stretch no further than their own tummytums.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Dan - I suggest you be more specific so that it is quite clear how dishonest and hypocritical Phil is.

The survey that Phil quotes is dated January 25, 2011 - again 2011.

Too funny.

And of course there is no cogent reply to the ample amount of counter data that both you and I have supplied.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 3:03 pm

LOL - I can't wait to hear your response Phil when you actually take a look at the survey you continue to quote.

Here is the URL again in case you need it:

Web Link

You make me laugh. Make sure you check out the date ;-)


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Sorry GX, I don't believe in doing genius' homework.

He can read, presumably.

Dan


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 4:28 pm

GX,

Here's Phil's response:

"Did you know that 1 in 4 kids will go hungry tonight?!!!1!! You and that sicko Dan haven't the guts to rebut me!!! 91% approved of Obama's speech!! Mitt only pays 13.9% taxes!!!! WAHHHHHH!!!"

Like you I just have to giggle at him. Its kinda' fun sparring with stupid.

Dan


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 26, 2012 at 4:39 pm

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Web Link

"The CBS poll everyone (not just here) is posting with 91% SOTU approval is from last year.
I'm just putting this out there as an OP because I've seen it posted all over the place. Even normally reputable blogs have posted it and I've seen it on facebook and on here several times.

For the record, I thought it was a great speech and I'm 100% behind our President. But we gotta stay accurate. I understand how easy it is to see that headline and not notice its an article from last year, so we all should be aware of it. I'm sure we will see some real polls for this year's SOTU address soon. "


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 26, 2012 at 4:54 pm

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Dan,

My comment was just meant to try to point the way towards policy. Sure, legislation always has its unintended consequences, something about paving roads with good intentions... Voting legislators out doesn't necessarily lead to better legislation.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm

My mistake...posted 2011 instead of 2012.

Dan


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 6:25 pm

I understand Stacy - but isn't this another indictment of the mindless reposting of information and lack of critical thinking of many people ou there these days - especially those wedded to the far right or left?

Also, don't you think its just a tad hypocritical for Phil to spew so much untruths and juvenile names and yet be guilty of the crimes he accuses us of?

While I may not agree with the other side, I am always interested to hear what they have so say as long as it is presented in a thoughtful and respectful way. This is how I learn and progress my thinking.

Wouldn't it be more useful to all of use to actually acknowledge and debate the facts? Maybe we'd all learn something.

While I don't expect Phil to respond to such an embarassing fo paux, I do hope they can learn to be more civil with future interchanges. We are all human and make mistakes from time to time.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 26, 2012 at 6:49 pm

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GX,

Don't expect much from Jane. She already knows how to be more civil and chooses purposely not to. Being hypocritical is just all part and parcel of her rhetorical style.


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Posted by Phil
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Jan 26, 2012 at 7:23 pm

I took headlines and supporting stories from several sites and made what the undereducated GX calls a really embarrassing 'fo paux'. I'm so ashamed! How could I 'doo' that? I promise to post no more 'fo pauxes' ever again. I really 'doo'.

The real correction that needs to be made: No one is really sparring with me here. Rather, both GX and Dan are making buffoons of themselves, wrapping themselves in the 'fo fur' of exasperated petulance, and showing a transparent inability to extricate themselves from the utter stupidity and short-sightedness of their own positions.

Obama's speech was baaaaad. Politicians are soooo corrupt. 1 in four kids hungry tonight in America? Hahahahaha. What does that have to do with victimization of poor Mitt Romney? First the corrupt pols want to tax him at 13.9%, next they'll want to tax him at 100%. How is a good moderate, centrist right-winger like me, situated between Bachmann and David Duke, supposed to survive under this onerous tax code? Let's tax the poor instead! All the leftists can doo is commit fo pauxes while hiding behind fo claims.

The cut-and-pasters GX and Dan don't know what sparring is. What I've been doing is swatting down intellectual infants. (I wonder how long it is going to take them to find 'fo paux' in the dictionary given that they begin with that spelling? Ignoramuses, both of them.)



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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2012 at 10:04 pm

"Tonight, Romney called his enormous personal wealth 'an asset to help America.' But there's just one complication: he's not investing in America. He has had millions in investments and accounts in infamous offshore tax havens -- including the Cayman Islands and a Swiss bank account that his advisor closed down for fear it would be politically embarrassing. Those tax havens cost American taxpayers about $100 billion a year. And the hundreds of millions of dollars he raked in at Bain were made in part by laying off American workers and outsourcing their jobs to other countries."

Instead of pushing the tax issue aside saying Dems just want more, really hear what people are trying to say- Mitt is a liar, his actions are very different from his words. He is saying anything at this point to be the nominee. I wonder why the protecting/defending of these kinds of actions? Do you really want any warm body to run against Obama, is it really just about winning? Because having this man as a President should really give you something to worry about.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 27, 2012 at 9:28 am

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Politicians who don't lie... Hrm... I'm not saying that it's ok. Just putting it into perspective. What president has NOT lied? Honest Abe?


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Posted by Mr. Geeneyuss
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 27, 2012 at 11:56 am

Really...you don't say? Democrats actually supported TOTUS's speach? Whodathunk.

And in a related story, dogs have been shown to like chasing squirrels, somebody in Hollywood was arrested for ___________________(drugs, lewd behaviour, alcohol, doughnut overdose, etc.) and your mother wishes you'd call more often.

Tell us something we DON'T know PW.

Sheeeeesh!


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 27, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Genius,

Info on that SOTU speech: Web Link

Go ahead and click through the links...more interesting info.

Dan


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