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Why is there no longer Christ in Christmas ?

Original post made by Lee, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2011

All around town, I no longer see a lot of Christ in Christmas.Where are the Holy Family exhibits on people's lawns? Instead I see Xmas trees, reindeer, snowmen and presents. You can't buy lawn ornaments of the birth of Christ anymore..no one stocks them.

Only at a church can one see the birth of Jesus being celebrated. Are we no longer a Christian nation? Do the majority of people around Pleasanton not want to be seen as Christian?

Why does everyone say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas?"

Does this bother anyone else?

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Posted by Lisa
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 12, 2011 at 8:56 am

Very sad isn't it? We are so trained to be "politically correct,"
we are afraid to display our OWN beliefs and the "reason for the season."

It's bad enough that now we can't even celebrate Thanksgiving together as a family due to Black Friday sales where workers have to be at work insead of with their family.

Times are changing and not for the good. We need to remember what REALLY is important this time of year. Love of God, love of family, love of our fellow man. Thank you for your comment and noticing the sad reality of our times.


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Posted by The short answer
a resident of Amador Estates
on Dec 12, 2011 at 9:55 am

Lee,
The short answer to your question is "Democrats."

They, in general, not only dismiss religion and especially Christianity, Democrats are actively involved in purging Christianity from the globe, in favor of atheism and/or Sharia.


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Posted by patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:00 am

You've seen the persecution of Christians in this community -- bridget melson was often mocked and slandered in this forum. Just mention the word Catholic, and all sorts of hatred is spewed

Of course, take my statement and change Christian and Catholic to Islam and Muslim, and you have a hate crime, right?

Christians are keeping a low profile. I have a creche on my house, it is up on the roof to discourage fools from stealing baby Jesus


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Posted by Bud
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:22 am

I am not a Christian, I don't go to church, but I refuse to say "Happy Holidays". I grew up celebrating CHRISTMAS, not Holidays.

I say Merry Christmas until I'm blue in the face.

If someone doesn't like it, too damn bad!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:29 am

can we all get along...


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Posted by Maria
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:31 am

I understand and respect religious observation of Christmas, but why should this time of year _have_ to be exclusively Christian? I'm not saying that Christ should be banned from Christmas--that would be a violation of the First Amendment-- but bemoaning the non-celebration of Christ's birth ignores those who don't share in those beliefs. Growing up in a fairly non-religious household, I have always associated Christmas with family and togetherness, not baby Jesus.

And if you're going to talk about the growing Godlessness of this time of year, what about the fact that Chaunukkah is still largely ignored?


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Posted by Bud
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:35 am

And by the way, The short answer, I tend to vote Democrat.

I know many of them who are Chrstian, as well as non-Christian.

Your generalization is really stupid.


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Posted by Jurgen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:48 am

I'm not a Democrat, but I'm all for the dissolution of Christianity. The game is over, and it's only a matter of time before human reason fully eclipses christianity, islam, mormonism, hinduism, totemism, and all other forms of superstitious hogwash. Don't get me wrong, it's people's right to cram their tiny heads with biblical nonsense. It provides the creep crowd with the preposterous idea that god is on THEIR side, and thus condones eradication of heathen Native Americans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, all in the name of Christ. No accident that most Christian political parties are on the extreme right wing; no accident that the slave Frederick Douglass wrote that the most devout christians tended to be the most violent and tyrannical of masters. Land-o-gershen. Go figure! Got Christ? Go get a clue!


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Dec 12, 2011 at 11:12 am

Jurgen, how do you go about your dissolution of Christianity that you espouse? Violent Jihad or a more nefarious infiltration of churches and other places of worship where people practice the faith that builds a community/country?
It is a sad existence you people of your ilk live in. No values, no faith, no hope (except for your messiah, obama, which has worked out so well) and your must degrudge others with faith, since you can't stand that notion. Your fictional accounts of eradication of other countries (Iraq, really?) proves you're really dillusional.....post some proof of those efforts being linked to people's faiths.
Otherwise, back under the rock you occupy.


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Posted by Jurgen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 11:46 am

No Jihad is needed oh you ignorant, superstitious one. Only reason, accompanied by good spelling. I'll try not to waste any more time 'degrudging' your 'dillusions'. Anyone want to venture forth an imagination of Steve the Sick attempting to interpret the bible?

Values? Yes, reason based, not imposed upon right-wing sheep by some mythical shepard in the sky. Hope? Absolutely, as the number of athiests and anti-theists increases each year. Faith? You betcha. Faith in the ability of man to think through life's problems without resort to some authoritarian ghost or totem pole in one's backyard. Boo! Be careful of the boogyman under your beds! What? You've never seen one? Well, keep on believing in him, just like you believe in the holy ghost or the polygamist Joseph Smith. Nothing but little children caught up in belief in the Easter Bunny.


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Posted by jill
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 12, 2011 at 12:36 pm

"Are we no longer a Christian nation?"

We have never been a Christian nation. People have the right to exercise any religion they want; part of the reason of forming the United States.

I see no reason why somebody should be offended by saying Happy Holidays unless you have no tolerance for those other than practicing Christians.

Christmas has become a secular holiday in the United States, and pretty much the time of year when merchants make money, even when the rest of the year is a challenge, and a time for families to get together. If you want more "Christ" in your Christmas, spending more time in your church, and less time shopping, might be the best thing for you.


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 12, 2011 at 2:09 pm

@ Jill- Your well reasoned, correctly spelled, educated statements have no place on this forum. In the future, please interject a little more hate, missspellings, vitriol, and insanity to your posts and you will be welcome back.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 2:26 pm

Now Curious is parroting the schizophrenic jurgen, who posts as slippers/jane/loony, etc. Unless Curious is the same dolt as jurgen, who follows in lockstep with .1% of the population that think they created themselves out of thin air.
No mention from your small minds about the good that comes from people of faith, like the numerous charities and organizations that benefit everyone, even soulless mongrels like yourselves.

Jill, you're half right. We have always been a Christian nation AND people have the right to exercise any religion they want. That may change at some point with uncontrolled immigration, but look at any census or poll and see who is in the majority, like it or not.

Merry Christmas


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Dec 12, 2011 at 2:47 pm

By the way, thanks for displaying your religious bigotry for all in town to see. Thanks to your efforts and those of your comrades, religious bigotry is one of the last forms of open prejudice that most people are not held to be accountable for. It's no better or more acceptable than racial or sexual discrimination, but you go ahead and parade your vitriol against the majority of your neighbors.


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Posted by Common Sense
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 12, 2011 at 4:24 pm

The War on Christmas(TM) is over if you want it.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with showing sensitivity to the fact that someone you are wishing a Merry Christmas to may not actually celebrate Christmas. What's the big deal? Honestly, when I say Happy Holidays to someone, I am including all the holidays during the month and even New Years. It doesn't mean I hate Christmas. I celebrate Christmas.

Christians sure have a persecution complex. You are the majority and act as if you aren't.


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Posted by Jill
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 12, 2011 at 4:39 pm

Sorry Steve but you are incorrect. We are not a Christian nation. In fact the Constitution does not mention Christian religion, Jesus, or even God.

The Treaty of Tripoli in 1797, Article 11, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Just because we have more Christians than any other religion does not make us a Christian Nation. I guess you are also implying that we are a "White Nation" since we have more Caucasians.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Dec 12, 2011 at 11:26 pm

Gee, I can't believe that so many people took the bait offered by the originator of this thread (who I'll bet doesn't have a Nativity scene on his/her lawn, either).


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Posted by Mrs. B
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 13, 2011 at 11:13 am

I say "Merry Christmas" all the time. and " Happy Holidays".

However, Christ has NOTHING to do with Christmas. Real scholars believe Christ was born in July. Christmas as we know it today can be credited to many Pagan rituals celebrating the Winter Solstice rolled into one, then rolled into Christianity to make things more enticing for the pagans to become christians.


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Posted by Gordy
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Dec 13, 2011 at 11:20 am

Dear Mrs. B,
How can we be sure you're not trying to confuse so many of the posters here with facts?


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Posted by Mrs. B.
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 13, 2011 at 11:33 am

Good point Gordy. Facts can be pesky issues when one is so embroiled in a conversation about emotions.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Dec 13, 2011 at 2:29 pm

How about letting everyone who wishes to say "Merry Christmas" do so and everyone who wishes to say "Happy Holidays" do so?

I think they only time we flirt with trouble is when we insist that others say or do not say this, that, or the other thing.

Mike


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Posted by Gordy
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Dec 13, 2011 at 3:00 pm

... and, of course, some acceptance too of: Assalamo Alaikum


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 15, 2011 at 4:12 pm

"Why does everyone say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas?" "

Because Happy Holidays includes the celebration of New Year's as well as the three wise men (yes, some people I know celebrate this, and they are christian and they see nothing wrong with Happy Holidays)


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 15, 2011 at 4:16 pm

"I see no reason why somebody should be offended by saying Happy Holidays unless you have no tolerance for those other than practicing Christians. "

Plus when you say Merry Christmas you are only talking about Christmas. Many people want to acknowledge the entire holiday season, not just Christmas.


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