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Pleasanton to present free Solar Expo on Saturday

Original post made on Nov 1, 2011

The city of Pleasanton will host a free workshop Saturday to provide residents with an overview of solar technology for residential use.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, October 31, 2011, 1:27 PM

Comments (10)

Posted by No elec cars, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2011 at 1:09 pm

Anybody even 'thinking' about buying an electric car, better damn well attend. Neighbors should not allow them to suck off their neighborhood grid, boosting neighbors into a 'peak usage' rate period. I don't intend to watch my lettle PG&E wheels go around, and pay thru the nose for the neighbor that I subsidized his purchase price, and now I pay increased elec. bill. It's time for PG&E to be honest.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 2, 2011 at 9:15 am

No elec cars - can you please explain with specifics about how charging an electric car can affect the rates of other homeowners on the same grid?

Charging an electric car has about the same electricity draw as two homes. Since there are about 5 homes per transformer, this is a significant added load to the local grid but not anything that couldn't be handled by supply system.

It is my understanding that rates charged to local homeowners are based only on electricity usage. As long as the electrical usage stays within the supply capability, it should not matter what time of day an electric car is charged.

Of course with smart meters - the utility could give a rate decrease if the vehicle is charged during off peak hours.


Posted by Robin, a resident of Foothill High School
on Nov 2, 2011 at 9:41 am

we had electric cars for a little over 2 years about 12 years ago. They were fantastic. So sorry we had to "give" them back. We charged at night, no problem.
There are more charging stations around here now then there was back then. If you are thinking of getting an electric car, make sure it has a charging capability of at least 60 miles.


Posted by Pay your own way, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:25 am

Bill, aren't you paying attention? Don't you know what "PEAK USAGE PERIOD". Peak usuage means, a big DRAIN on the grid at that time. THE PURPOSE of Smart Meters, is to REPORT THE TIME FRAME (tattle on you) so PG&E
will CHARGE you MORE at the end of the month, for all your usage during 'BUSY' times, such as, at the same times your car neighbor chooses to suck the power. That's why they tried to 'sell'(con) us into monitoring our useage, and if there is a giant sucking of power (i.e.elec car), it suddenly becomes our duty to save ourselves. That's why in an ideal world, we would have SOLAR cars.
Rooftop ok, but we're still sharing the grid...so I UNFAIRLY PAY MORE.
The then President of pg&e, speaking to an auto convention in Detriot 3 years ago, told them 4 or 5 elec cars plugged at the same time in the same neighborhood grid can cause a blackout.
It's time for some honesty as to who does the paying. I resent losing my 'right' to reasaonable power...my pg&e bill is huge, and I'll fight paying the freight for somebody else. We need honesty, and stop the 'sales pitch' full of lies.


Posted by Pay your own way, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:36 am

No, no, Bill, we'll not "give a rate decrease if a vehicle is charged during off peak hours"....your neighbor is getting stuck with a higher bill. You should be charged a FINE, if you DON'T charge in a off peak....you check YOUR meter ! !


Posted by Bill, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Pay your own way or No elec cars - whoever you are??? You still haven't given any engineering specifics about how electrical use by one customer on a grid affects the other customers.

Pleasanton customers are not 100% connected to the smart grid network, so until this is done, everyone is being charged by usage, i.e. cost per kilowatt hour, which is a flat rate within a tier.

So you cannot be charged more unless you use more, independent of how your neighbor is using electricity, or time of day.

When the smart grid kicks in, then yes you could be charged based on time of day, but still only for the electricity that you use.

Where are you getting your information that rates will be set by the amount of current flowing within a specific grid? I have never heard of this, even in industrial parks.


Posted by Pay your own way, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2011 at 11:38 pm

"When the smart grid kicks in, then yes you could be charged based on time of day"". Yes, neighbors will the stuck with the bill as more cars are added in the future, and smart meters rule. Arent' we talking about planning our futures? I intend to fight it. I don't like dirty, dirty electricity running cars...I prefer all-clean, carbon-free nuclear electricity..,.are you working toward clean electricity? If not, you're planning on driving a dirty car, and that's not good. We're kind of getting the cars, before clean electricity ! Cars shouldn't be allowed until the clean electricity supply problem has been solved.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm

Pay your own way - what you are really writing about is what happens to supply and demand of electricity if the majority of vehicles are all electric. I am not an expert but if demand of something goes up, then yes, usually the price of that something goes up also.

In this regard you do have a valid point, which is if the population of all electric vehicles increases, does this cause the price of electricity to increase. If this is true, then yes, you would be paying to subsidize your neighbor's all electric vehicle.

I do not believe California has fully recovered from the Enron disaster of 1999-2000. Your point and the Enron fiasco are reasons why electricity should always be regulated so that someone does not end up subsidizing someone else's choices in how they use the electricity.


Posted by Thom, a resident of Downtown
on Nov 26, 2011 at 6:27 pm

i agree with the post about electric cars being a drain on the neighborhoods grid. Thats why i wish more people would get involved with the DIY solar scene. Theres tons of info available out there, like Web Link they go over some of the guides available to help set up your own DIY solar power.


Posted by Pay your own way, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm

Just what do you think "peak usage" rate means ? Take a look tiny bit of tier 2, shortly pushing you into tier 3....HUGE HUGE jumps in tiers pricing...if your neighbor make it a 'busy time'....you pay punitive rates using at a 'busy time'. ...and just WHO makes it a BUSY time...right, that BIG USER in your neighbors garage, that you are also subsidizing with assorted government rebates (with education $$) hmmmmm How about 'you use, you pay'.
This needs a full HONEST discussion from PG&E. Having their peons who are supponse to placate us with their denials is not the honest way to ram more 'smart meters' on users. Pure extortion. Shame on PUC (as usual) for screwing us again, in favor of PG&E.


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