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And this is why no one will vote for higher taxes even if we need them

Original post made by Voter, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Oct 9, 2011

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This is a story where the Oakley city manager, who earns about than $200,000 a year has not paid his mortgage since 2009 on a property. He was given an exceptionally low interest rate on this property from the start so that the city could "lure" him from Nevada. I guess they couldn't find a single suitable local person to do this job.

He makes twice the salary our family does, he has the huge pension building up, which we do not, and about the same monthly mortgage rate as our family and somehow he will not pay his mortgage, even though he still has a job.

Now the council have bailed him out to the tune of $366,500 to "rescue" him from his underwater mortgage.

And people wonder why we vote NO to new taxes, even though we need them. I would happily pay a bit more to help the truly poor (not this guy). I would pay more for elderly people who need help and children.I will not pay more so that public officials, union members and banks can get even better benefits and bailouts. Right now the poor, elderly and children are getting hammered so that vested interests get great incentives and bonuses and bailouts. And until this ends I will not vote yes for taxes. Publicly elected officials need to treat our money with more respect.

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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 4:06 pm

Wanna be President Cain says it is your fault you earn so little. Stop complaining about other peoples circumstances and get out there and make it big on your own. Stop blaming others for your woes. $200k/yr is a perfectly reasonable managerial salary here in the Bay Area. On Wall Street, that's what they pay 25 year olds. If it seems like too much money to you, maybe the problem is you.


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Posted by b is a shill
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 4:15 pm

b flip flops and takes any side of an argument so that he/she can project the interests of our over-compensated public employees.

I guess this is what you can expect from a union representative.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 4:28 pm

Who are you a shill for? The $2mil/yr earners who got bailouts? I support a healthy middle class people of all stripes, because it is good for all of us. It is you who choose to persistently focus on government workers. Slashing salaries and laying off workers of ANY kind is harmful to the economy. .


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm

I'd also like to point out that I'm one of very few people who have actually stated my profession and background here. You yahoos keep posting your rants and attacks on here, and yet refuse to divulge your own backgrounds. Go ahead, do it right now. State your profession, level of career achievement, and general income and net worth range. I have. Why won't you? What are you hiding?


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Posted by voter
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 5:08 pm

b. go back and read the article and then my comments again.

1. I'm not complaining about our family's lot in life. We're savers and are doing just great. Our income as far as we are concerned is above average and we've done well in life.

2. What am saying is that this man has been given a mortgage loan of 2.5% (subsidized by the city) and has not been paying it even though he makes $200,000, twice as much as we do and we have the same mortgage amount and can easily afford payments. So I see this as him not paying his mortgage even though he can well afford it. Which is really bad ethics.

3. So why the heck are the taxpayers bailing him out to the tune of over $350,000?? Why don't they use this money for something more useful - like helping the poor, elderly and young.

4. Same with the bank bailouts - let them fail and use the money in different ways.

5. I'm totally OK with ending wars and restoring some cash to reduce our debt.

So the right time to ask for more taxes is when the people we elect prove to us they will use it properly - not to bail out the man in the article, Bank of America, or give public sector raises / excessive benefits and pay for them by laying off other public sector employees and reducing services for the poor, children and elderly.




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Posted by b is a shill
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 5:26 pm

b - you have done no such things.

Your and my income and net worth are not relevant in this discussion.

What is relevant is that you continue your feable posts with the hope of re-directing attention away from the issue at hand - overcompensated public employees who feel the only solution is to raise taxes so that the gravy train can continue.

And in now way are CA public employees middleclass - their incomes are far above that level. This is just another union ploy to get the general public behind their cause. If you look at any recent polls, that ploy is failing.

How much do they pay you to be a shill for the public unions?


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 6:14 pm

Sorry to be so hard on you, voter. Hard to disagree with any of they points you made in your last comment.

I'm all in favor of ending bailouts of all kinds. That means city managers, Wall Street and dictator-controlled countries. All that money can be used to pay down debt and continue to provide high-quality services in our own community. .


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 6:20 pm

shill - why didn't you answer any of my questions? Come on, what do you have to hide? Pretty hard to take you seriously when you post all these attacks from behind a mask.


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Posted by b is a shill
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 6:25 pm

No bailouts and no over-compensated public employees - now you are talking sense b.

But what are your unions backers going to say about your heresy?


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2011 at 7:31 pm

I know it is pretty hard for you to comprehend, but there are people in the world who support causes simply because it is the right thing to do.

But my motives aren't entirely altruistic. My home value is higher because of outstanding schools and parks. My children are better off because they're taught by the best teachers we can recruit and attend school with other children whose parents care about these things.

Your greedy little tax grab may earn you a few bucks in the short term. But weakening your neighbors to put money in your own pocket doesn't pay off in the long run.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 10, 2011 at 7:59 am

"But weakening your neighbors to put money in your own pocket doesn't pay off in the long run." - b, this is an interesting statement. Makes sense.

What is your take on the fact that compensation of Pleasanton City employees has grown from 65% to 79% of the budget, and that unfunded liabilities have grown from zero to $180M?

Do you think this will weaken the city in the long-term for both future residents and future employees?


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 10, 2011 at 8:51 am

Lost in all this self-reflective discussion is the fact that this highly compensated public employee did not meet his mortgage obligation. I don't care if he's aunion drone or not, he's in a responsible position, which he's well compensated for. Rather than bail him out for his personal financial bungling, he should have been summarily dismissed. He certainly should not have the term 'Manager' as his title; 'mangler' is more fitting.


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Posted by lazzboy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 13, 2011 at 12:16 am

He should not have been bailed out by the city (nor given an incentive to take the job in the first place), but no information was given in regards to his personal situation as to why he is not paying his mortgage. Doe he just not want to? Does he have 4 kids in college at the same time? Is he or another family member battling cancer or some other health issue that is draining all of their finances?

To say he is just a leeching scum without actual facts is jumping to the easy conclusion.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 13, 2011 at 7:01 am

Regardless what his personal situation was, it shouldn't have happended.

He has a job - it is not a welfare situation. And he should be treated as such. There should be no bailouts for him, corporations, Wall Street, etc.

Since this story, the Council has admitted the mistake and is looking to rescind the decision.


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Posted by Not entitled
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 13, 2011 at 5:08 pm

I'm with voter. What kind of ignorant lousy 'public servants' would vote to use PUBLIC $$ for a rich man's house debt.. If he works for the city, he should live there forever. Nobody's lost anything until and if they sell. But most importantly, Public money is for PUBLIC services. He receives his 'contracted' high salary, why would he be justified to receive 'other' public monies.
I don't get it. He's evidently not so brilliant at making 'MONEY' decisions....maybe pushed it all right to the edge....call it higher education...but he's not 'entitled'.


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 13, 2011 at 8:25 pm

Not entitled,


This nonsense happens more than people can imagine. The issue would have gone unchecked if not for one person alerting the CC TIMES. It's a shame that the taxpayers can't trust the professionals, and the politicians, that they pay good money to do a job.

I find it offensive that we need citizen committees and other watchdog groups to monitor the decisions being made by elected officials and over-compensated city managers.


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Posted by hoops
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 15, 2011 at 12:24 pm

I do not understand this.What exactly did the city mgr get in terms of being bailed out?How could someone making 200k not pay a mortgage in Oakley??Why would anyone bail him out??


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Posted by hoops
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 15, 2011 at 12:32 pm

Forget my last post.I googled the story.What a joke.The guy is overpaid to begin considering the city.34000 a year to his pension on top of his salary and other perks??Come on.No wonder the state and cities are all broke.


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