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I guess that rosy budget assumption is not looking so good now

Original post made by concerned, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Sep 12, 2011

Do you think this state will finally be able to look at its spending realistically and reform the obvious bloat so we don't go bankrupt?

Or are we just going to lay off newer workers, preserve the union status quo and destroy services?

There is no way that people are going to vote for taxes until the "fat" is cut. They will vote to sort out pensions if they are allowed to.

Or will we get bailed out by the new federal "jobs" stimulus?

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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2011 at 8:47 pm

Nope, sorry. Your Republican minority in the state legislature says we're not ALLOWED to vote on this really complicated tax and budget stuff. Gov Brown was more than happy to allow us to vote on whether we wanted more taxes, but our fearless Republican minority blocked the People of California from having a say. They're just looking out for our best interests, ya know?

Yes, we're going to have a painful dip this coming year. The only hope the TEA Party folks have of winning the White House next year is to make sure Obama fails and the economy is a mess by election time. Therefore, they will obstruct any meaningful attempt to make things better in the next 14 months. Economic recovery shall resume thereafter, regardless of who wins.

Mark my words. Same prediction I made a few months ago. Two years from now, your fabricated crisis will be a fading memory. Until then, it looks like we're in for a little excitement.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2011 at 10:24 pm

b -
The fact is the legislature and Gov Brown put in place a CA budget based on billions of wishful revenues, and continues a spending pattern that will product another large deficit this year. Whether the CA voters were given a say in the matter has some merit, but at the end of the day, it is our leaders' job to put together a fiscally solvent balanced budget, which they failed to do.
All your conspiracy theories aside, it's unfortunate that we in CA find ourselves in the same mess year after year after year after year....


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Posted by Yesmad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2011 at 10:29 pm

... after year after year...


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Posted by No Racism Here
a resident of Happy Valley
on Sep 12, 2011 at 10:38 pm


Excerpt from recent Political Science study found in the American Political Science Review:

"The results in Table 5 show that ideological conservatism was by far the strongest predictor of Tea Party support. In addition to conservatism, however, both racial resentment and dislike for Barack Obama had significant effects on support for the Tea Party. These two variables had much stronger effects than party identification.

The statistical effects of such components such as education, income, church attendence, sex, and party identification were considered in the study. As Drum notes, however, the resulting analysis strongly suggests that 'conservative ideology and racial resentment swamp every other factor.'"


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Sep 13, 2011 at 8:37 am

So, NRH, what's your agenda? You think there's a racial component in advocating for smaller, more efficient govt? What motivates the minority members of the Tea Party? What was your point in posting this hit piece in a story about Brown's failing budget?


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 9:02 am

b. as far as I recall, you were the one bleating about the fact that the economy was picking up and everything was going to be A OK during the parcel tax debate and that is why we didn't need to consider being more fiscally responsible here and in the state.

Many people advised you that the recession was in no way over and was just being papered over by Ben Bernanke's QE2 - that's why the stock market was going up, the price of commodities was going up and the dollar was going DOWN and unemployment was absolutely not moving the right direction.

Until we fix the problems that plague us we will never get out of this recession. And no, more stimulus, though I know it is coming, will not help. Being grown up and responsible about the way that we spend money will be a start, though I suspect we've already gone too far in this state.

Have you paid attention to what is happening in Greeece? That is what is driving the markets now - and does anything sound familiar to you about where their problems come from (too much debt, unsustainable public sector, retirements in the 50's). Our only savior is that we are the reserve currency, but we're doing a great job of debasing that right now.

I totally agree that the banks have their fair share of the blame here, but I do not agree that the repulicans are making the problem worse - they are just pointing out that we have to stop this snowball before it's too late. They are also looking after future generations and the selfishness of this one in the problems we are creating for our children amazes me.


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Posted by Jimbob
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 12:33 pm

b-
That's the most reasonable post I've ever read by you. I think you've convinced me. Thank you.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Sep 13, 2011 at 1:09 pm

"Have you paid attention to what is happening in Greeece? That is what is driving the markets now - and does anything sound familiar to you about where their problems come from (too much debt, unsustainable public sector, retirements in the 50's)." You left out a key component -tax evasion is a sport in Greece. Irresponsible tax policy and effective means of collection is the other leg of the chair not mentioned. Been to Scandinavia? Some of the highest standards of living in the world but societal acceptance that taxes are necessary for the overall benefit of all in society.

"They are also looking after future generations and the selfishness of this one in the problems we are creating for our children amazes me." It's too bad 'they' weren't as attentive and selfless from 2002-2010 -you know, off budget 'excursions' and those staunchly defended, job generating, tax breaks that a select few have enjoyed... leading to
Today's news - 1 in 6 American's are living at the poverty level and the "Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die"...Let 'them' starve and die...a sad but true commentary on the state of our country and it's not hard to figure out why nothing gets solved...


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Dublin
on Sep 13, 2011 at 1:15 pm

Joe, you sound like YAT. I thought she skeedaddled on out of here weeks back after I creeped her out with my multiple personae and impeccable logic. Have you ever been to Greece, Joe? Unless you have, you really don't have any basis for criticizing it.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Dublin
on Sep 13, 2011 at 2:11 pm

Some seem to be suggesting that many/most/all of the rightwing commentators on these posts are the same person, based upon all of them sharing a remarkably similar way of using logic.... Including me!

How could that be when at least one of us is registered by a first name?

What? Oh! More than one computer? Hadn't thought of that! Zounds! Somebody is veeeeeery clever, neeuck-neeuck-neeuck, but admittedly purdy messed up.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Sep 13, 2011 at 2:16 pm

Mike, it's called reading (The Economist, FT, even WSJ), extensive travel, and living in Europe. Join the 25% of Americans who have a passport and try it sometime...


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Tax evasion is a sport here in the U.S., too. The TEA Party does a remarkable job of gentrifying it.

Unless and until the citizens of the United States are willing to pay for the services they demand of their government, we will continue our descent into bankruptcy.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:39 pm

b. I agree we need more revenue and would happily pay more in taxes to protect education of students and people who genuinely need help. I also definitely believe the loopholes need to be closed and we need to reform the tax system.

I think the wars need to end and we need to bring people home to save money as well.

However, I'm not going to vote for any tax increase until I see the abuses in the public sector dealt with properly - I will not pay more for pension spiking, early retirements, entitlement fraud etc when we need the money for better things.

I know that life isn't perfect and we're not going to get all of these things exactly right, but we need to do a lot better. I'm very concerned we're heading a socialist direction and I think the country was a lot better when people took more personal responsibility for their lives.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:42 pm

... oh, yeah, and I forgot to mention we should let uninsured patients take responsibility for their lives and let them die.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 6:09 pm

I didn't say that and Ron Paul didn't either - and you know it.

When I graduated from college (a long time ago!), I told my parents that I thought I could get away without insurance since I was young. They explained in no uncertain terms what that would mean. It meant that if something happened to me, they would take care of me, but if I wasn't insured they would lose the roof over their heads to pay for it because our family would never take from charity. And by that they meant that they would never accept help from the government.

At that time, taking money from the government was considered a last resort for people who truly needed help. Same with food stamps. And that's why we could afford to help those that truly needed it.

Now you see people taking things that they don't need, just because they can. And people aren't completely shunned for pension spiking etc., because it's become a fact of life. We need to fix these things so we protect the vulnerable and let those who are able (and I include 55 year olds here) to work.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Oh, and by the way, I took out the health insurance. Which cost a lot less than it does today even inflation adjusted. But that is a whole other story.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 13, 2011 at 6:31 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Of course Mike from Dublin above would think that because he does that himself. Integrity isn't his forte so he has difficulty understanding it.


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Posted by Jason
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 13, 2011 at 9:38 pm

@B:

How do define tax evasion? 51% of US Households legally pay no Federal Income tax. While 1% of those have AGI > $1M almost 70% have an AGI of $50K.

Regarding services that people demand, how about reigning in expenses by getting back to the concept of civil service? In CA public employees on average make more than comparable jobs in the private sector. A nice start, though largely symbolic, would be a law making it illegal for ANY public employee to make more than POTUS.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2011 at 6:12 am

The problem with taxes and governments is that you can't just pick and choose the things you like. You don't like well-compensated government workers. I don't like a bloated military. But because other people do want those things, we both have to accept them.

But for each of us to say that we're only going to pay x% of the taxes our government requires because we only like x% of the programs, absolutely guarantees our bankruptcy.


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