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by Rita, Downtown,
on May 17, 2011
That's right, Rita. Better to have let the slime machine spell out 'biblical' than you attempting to do so yourself. Really a well-documented article. Very fact-based. Thanks.
It does not bother you at all that we have been told by Nancy that the Healthcare plan is great but she allows people she likes to opt out of it because it is not affordable? I am just curious as to why this would not bother you regardless of your party affliation.
Undocumented slime does bother me, Rita. And apparently far more than you probably are bothered by an unjust tax code that provides loopholes for fatcats and corps. Guess it's simply a matter of values and proportion, eh?
Hypocrites come in all shapes and sizes.
This is a perfect example of why government is necessary but should be limited to a very contained role. Government is highly political and history shows that decisions based on insider politics are usually poor.
BTW Reader, a stat is a stat. If you disagree with the statistic you should disprove it with another stat rather than discount the topic because you happen to disagree with its direction. You essentially accuse the other poster of being intellectually lazy yet you do the same thing.
Again, hypocrites come in all shapes and sizes ...
The US is one of the biggest spenders on health care, spending trillions on it every year (Web Link). Tax loopholes for corporations cost the US around $100 billion (Web Link).
What stats are you talking about, Stace?
Pelosi is not interested in the little person and is only interested in the rich and protecting their interests. Some of these restaurants and salons are the most expensive in the city. These people do not need to get an exclusion, but to help them make even more profit Nancy was "down wit the program". No wonder she is the most disliked politican in the US.
President Barack Obama's administration approved 204 new Obamacare waivers in April. Thirty-eight of them went to upscale businesses including four-star hotels, gourmet restaurants, day spas and hip nightclubs in Pelosi's district. That's in addition to 27 new waivers for health care or drug companies and the 31 new union waivers Obama's Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) approved.
Other common waiver recipients were labor union chapters, large corporations, financial firms and local governments. But Pelosi's district's waivers are the first major examples of upscale, gourmet restaurants and hotels getting a year-long pass from Obamacare.
The reason the Obama administration says it has given out waivers is to exempt certain companies or policyholders from "annual limit requirements." The applications for the waivers are "reviewed on a case-by-case basis by department officials who look at a series of factors including whether or not a premium increase is large or if a significant number of enrollees would lose access to their current plan because the coverage would not be offered in the absence of a waiver." The waivers don't allow a company to permanently refrain from implementing Obamacare's stipulations, but companies can reapply for waivers annually through 2014.
[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]
UPDATE: 11:38 a.m.:
House Speaker John Boehner, Ohio Republican, spokesman Michael Steel told TheDC this is another "backroom sweetheart deal" for Obamacare.
"It looks like ObamaCare's backroom sweetheart deals didn't end when it became law," Steel said in an email to TheDC. "Remember when former Speaker Pelosi said we needed to pass the bill to find out what was in it? I guess once they found out, the high-end eateries and spas in her Congressional District weren't big fans."
The 100 Billion you cite is ONLY that which is being gamed by corporations using off-shore tax havens. That 100 Billion, which American working people are forced to make up, doesn't even begin to address all other kinds of loopholes, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc., which means that working people must pay far more than their fair share. (Why you cite this alongside Americans paying to line the pockets of high-profit drug, health care and insurance industries is beyond me.)
But one thing I do know: you and others spend your narcissistic endeavors, day-in and day-out, hammering teachers and cops because of unsustainable liabilities their salaries and pensions place upon the state. What a bunch of funny bunnies. Hard to take all you fascists and fascist-wanna-be's seriously.
If you have better numbers on how much corporate tax loopholes cost the US, please share it as I was trying to find a good analysis of that. All I've learned so far from you is how much time you spend disparaging other posters rather than researching the subject, verifying facts, and engaging in any meaningful dialogue. The fact that there's corporate tax loopholes which must also be addressed does little to alleviate escalating health care costs in this country.
As it says in the article, the trillions spent on health care is not only out-of-pocket costs. The first number (the larger number) in the article includes Medicare, Medicaid, and some other government health programs. Government spending programs on health care face the same rising costs that private citizens do which is why the programs are unraveling and more and more citizens are becoming either underinsured or uninsured. As other countries have found, single-payer systems tend to reduce costs because they 1) spread it out amongst a bigger risk pool and 2) have greater pooled purchasing power. Obamacare is not a single-payer system and the fact that waivers are being freely handed out shows that Obamacare doesn't really do much to reduce skyrocketing health care costs.
And to think.... Nancy Pelosi's poll favorability numbers are substantially higher than John Boehner's. Well, yokels, golly gee! Jis whaddaya think of that? Keep on waiting for Boehner and all the good ol' southern boys in congress to give ya all those jobs yer talkin' 'bout. Aw shucks, that's right, they're too busy defending oil company subsidies an' workin' on how ta make ya pay more for yer health care.
Reader thinks Ohio is in the south! Maybe we really do need that parcel tax to pass but send the adults back to school this time.
Paul, Paul, Paul, back to the woodshed with you. Or better still, a repeat of 4th grade English is most likely in order.
(1) "Keep on waiting for Boehner and all the good ol' southern boys in congress...."
(2) "Keep on waiting for Boehner and all the rest of the good ol' southern boys in congress...."
You DO recognize the difference between (1) and (2) don't you?
So, seriously, Paul. Can you tell us what happened to you in grade school that caused your inability to write or interpret basic English? It is a rather conspicuous condition that calls for some explanation. I bet many would appreciate very much hearing any candid response you might choose to provide. Thanks in advance.
These are public traded companies, everything is audited and reported in annual reports. If our government does not like the "LEGAL" practice; then it is time for them to pass new laws. Simple solution.
I am still waiting for the refutal of the Pelosi nepotism statistic or an argument for why it was OK for Pelosi to depense such favors.
Instead, we are getting this same tired Democrat/Republican garbage. Until we can separate out good/bad deeds independent of ones' ideology, we will continue to sink as a country.
You just need to discount some of the posters here because they are lacking in ideas of their own and as such lash out because they cannot express themselves correctly. I am only trying to point out that Ms. Pelosi was the most ardent supporter of the Healthcare bill but when it comes to her friends or voters in her district she engages to get them out of something she touted to us to be the best. Does anyone else find it fastinating that she nor any other elected official will ever be in this program? If it is so good why hasn't even more supporter of the Healthcare bill chosen to sign up for it. This bill needs to be overturned and quickly. I certainly hope that the conservatives take the Senate over next year so this bill can be defunded and then stopped. Just a matter of time.
Rita - I'm an indepedent and have found over time issues with both the main parties. I agree that the healthcare bill is a monstrosity and hasn't solved any fundamental problems and create another unfunded liability. (For anyone who still believes the healthcare bill in its current for will reduce the deficit by $1T, I'd be happy to make a large wager with you that it won't - the economics and fundamentals are just not there).
However, we do have a broken market. How else would you describe the healthcare industry? It sucks up 15-16% of our economy without the commensurate returns. I still haven't heard from Republicans how they would fix this industry? Fundamentally, how do you create more competition to drive down prices? Both Democrats and Republicans are trying to block the only true competition we have these days - e.g. cheaper drugs from Canada and medical procedures from other countries. Instead both parties are trying to lock us into our current inefficient system.
From the NY POST: Teachers Union gets a pass on Obamacare
Much ado about nothing! Of course, most of the waivers come from Pelosi's district. Because SF actually has a MORE generous health care policy.
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