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on Apr 4, 2011
... and will be mailed back with a no vote tomorrow.
I'm not voting for a new tax so government employees can continue to enjoy their automatic raise and benifit schedule.
Both of us coming from a family of teachers, we learned how important schools are for the entire community. We are going to vote yes on the Measure.
Measure E is about community: comming together to fill a need for our community, our schools, our kids and our property values. Who gives a crap about your anti-union rhetoric. Go fight CTA and not our kids.
Can hardly wait to get out votes so we can send back with a big fat "NO" vote to more taxes and teachers raises. The quality of the schools in the town have really gone down since we moved in in the 80's.
With the state looking to cut more from the education budget, and with that, more pink slips to follow.....I am confident that the need is there.
And, I am also confident in my vote - YES.
I am hopeful that our community will pass measure E. For those against it, I am hoping that you may be able to see the benefits to the students in Pleasanton and might decide to vote YES....and then show up at board meetings and be involved in the process and participate in the solutions to those items you feel so strongly about.
It's time, in my opinion, to support this specific measure.
YES on E
P.S. Thank you to all the teachers and staff educating the children in Pleasanton!. You do Make a Difference.
Helping the schools helps the value of your home stay afloat. In this economy...everyone realizes the importance of keeping up the value of your property from decline. I am voting YES!
Everyone can agree that our kids futures and education are at the utmost importance. It is not that there isn't enough funds already but that the funds are not used efficiently; define needs from wants, and accessories from the basics.
I don't understand is why nobody is in outrage on the use of funds for the propaganda of this measure.
" the school board hired a consulting form to conduct a public survey..." PleasantonWeekly.com
SO I PAY GOVERNMENT TO HIRE people to figure out how to TAX ME more????
NO on E
Let us make changes so that our hard earned taxes are not squandered so unscrupulously.
"No" said: "Can hardly wait to get out votes so we can send back with a big fat "NO" vote to more taxes and teachers raises. The quality of the schools in the town have really gone down since we moved in in the 80's."
And so your solution is to give less money to the schools? Yeah, that will help.
By any measure, Pleasanton public schools are excellent. Also, Pleasanton was selected for the national Top-100 list of CNN/Money's "Best Places to Live". The quality of our schools had a lot to do with that honor.
Sam, your response to "No" was the same as mine. You just beat me to it!
I do get the importance of schools but for me I have no kids and a single income and will probably vote no. It gets hard when they keep coming to the people and nickel and diming us to death when we are trying to just keep our heads above water.
I support Measure E, but I am very sympathetic to Marie's statement. If Marie's financial situation is such that they cannot afford $98, then who in good conscience can urge her to vote yes on the measure. However, if folks can afford $98, I think it makes a great deal of sense to vote YES. It's for the community. It's for the teachers. It's for the kids.
At the very least, voters should delay voting until the results of the PUSD/union negotiations are completed.
Voters need to know if PUSD and the unions are serious in their desire to control costs and efficiently use taxpayer dollars.
Word is that tentative agreements are in place are now going to be voted on. Let's hope that the agreements show a strong 4-year committment to reduce costs to complement a 4 year parcel tax.
What's the last day to mail in ballots?
Measure E supporters say to get in the mail by April 28, so the Registrar of Voters has it by May 3.
Nomad is on to something here. People who are voting YES will probably vote YES no matter what and there's no real point in their waiting, but the thoughtful NO voters should wait until the district's negotiations with the teachers' union so they can make a more informed vote. I'd say we should see the bigger picture pretty clearly by the first of May, so I say we hold off on our votes until then!
Jane, at least there is honesty that this parcel tax is for the teachers. While the raise is not for the community or the kids, it is for the teachers. The $98 is needed to pay for their automatic raises. You might not mind paying for their raises but I do so I will be voting No on Measure E.
I understand that our schools are important but I have no children and have 1 income, personally it gets tiring being nickeled and dimed to death, they always come to the people to fix the government messes. I for one only have so much money!
Thank god it does not take 50% to get this passed but rather the 66.7%. For this I think we should all be thankful when it fails.
Luckily, the people who are pushing this tax aren't the sharpest bunch. They are trying to raise taxes in April when many of us are grumbling about paying taxes. They can't help but shoot themselves in the foot.
Don't be surprised if they come back a third time after this one goes down in flames.
If you'll excuse me, I have to go vacuum the cement pond.
A "No" vote is a vote for responsible change that we can be proud of.
A "No" vote gives school district administrators the chance to use their talent to find effective solutions, to prove that they were the right choice for a tough job.
A "No" vote gives teachers the chance to show their professional pride and commitment to quality, to show that "Kids really do come first!"
I'm proud to vote "No", proud to give PUSD what it really needs to succeed!
@Mike:: "I'm proud to vote "No", proud to give PUSD what it really needs to succeed!"
Ummmm. OK, I got the part about what you don't want to give to our schools. ButI must have missed the part about what you're giving them.
We're not sure why there's so much negativity. It sounds like an angry man standing on the corner with a bullhorn! We have read the Measure E and will be voting Yes. We're happy to chip in a little bit as our fair share.
No problem. It's our ability to accept diversity of skill that keeps the dialog civil.
There will be two no votes coming from this house. The PUSD needs to live within their means. The school system needs to be totally overhauled. The Federal Gov't needs to give the States back control of the schools. The Dept. of Education is a 100 billion dollar a year waste of money. I don't understand why you lemmings think that Gov't beaucrats know what's best for your kids. I know it makes your life easier when some moron in Washington, who is beholden to the teachers unions, determines the who/what/and how are kids are taught. We need to get rid of the all the high paying district jobs and let the principles of each school determine who/what/and how are kids are taught and who to fire/hire.(Comments partially removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff as innuendo, hearsay or specific accusatory information unsupported by facts.)
So keep up your talking point that "it's for the community" "It's for the teachers" "It's for the kids." and watch your money go right down the drain.
Don't be suckers and give up your hard earned money.
For those of you who want to give money to the schools I say go for it and good for you. I say give until it hurts but don't mandate others to give to your cause.
Have a super day.
" I don't understand why you lemmings think that Gov't beaucrats know what's best for your kids"
Because our schools some of the best in the state and in the country. Because we have excellent test scores and college placement numbers. My family moved to Pleasanton for the schools. One of my kids just finished his second year in engineering at Davis. His preparation at PUSD was great. We have excellent schools. Two yes votes on E from this house.
I'm proud of Pleasanton and its school district. I'm ready to join in and contribute my fair share. WE voted for Measure G and were disappointed it didn't pass. I hope we can learn from the past and do something good for our schools. Two members in this household are planning to vote YES on E.
I am voting YES!
Yes to quality schools
Yes to Our Community
Yes to local funding, free of state cuts
Yes to kids
Yes on E
The school district clearly needs additional funding. It is up to the citizens to provide the financial support our schools require. No one complaining about this measure has offered any credible alternative, and those who would vote no "on principle" are misguided. The controlling principle -- which overrides any "shrink government" or "no taxes" political philosophy -- is the obligation to provide a good education for the community's children. And that means paying for it.
It is time for true patriots to stand up with me! Ask not what you can do for your community, ask what your community can do for you!
Join us at the TriVAlley Patriots! Let's make this the "Tea Valley!"
Ah Mike: another neighborhood crackpot...err, teapot "patriot" speaks. Big talk, no useful action. What's this extremist agenda doing on a forum discussing the need for more money to take care of our childrens' education? You style yourselves patriots? Then support the education of America's children. They are the future of our nation. YES on MEASURE E.
Mike, you totally misunderstand the school system. The state currently controls TOO MUCH of our school district. About 2/3 of our LOCAL district's funding comes from the state (less than 10% comes from the federal gov't). When you say "The Federal Gov't needs to give the States back control of the schools" what you don't realize is that they already have.
Measure E ensures MORE local control of our school. A parcel tax is a way for schools to obtain more local control, instead of being at the mercy of the state, which by the way has not been able to meet its financial obligations to our school district.
By cutting off funding for our schools, you DO hurt the children and thus the future of this country. You are in denial if you think this doesn't affect the kids.
The waste in the school district is coming from people who are currently drawing pensions from the district--THAT IS PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY RETIRED FROM THE DISTRICT. Not the kids in school, and not the teachers who are teaching.
You are aiming your guns at the wrong people, Mike.
After a teacher had her friend come in and cook in the
Class to help her publish her cook book and then send an email home that most of the kids failed their math test, I am voting no. So much wasted time in the class room by some teachers, not all. If they weed out the non performing teachers I would vote yes
Oh, great, now we have some people who have run out of logical arguments and so they're resorting to making up stories. Any details on this story, "Ellie"? The date on which this alleged event took place? The school's name? Teacher's name? Friend's name? The cookbook's name? Anything?
No? What a surprise.
Although I hate the idea of more taxes, this is one that will more than pay for itself by maintaining property values. School quality and property values goes hand in hand. If you don't believe me, look at house prices in Cupertino and Palo Alto. For all those that are griping about paying $98/yr to keep our schools top notch, you better get out now before the schools decline and Pleasanton house values drop 50%.
So I am voting yes. However, my only gripe is that it's a per parcel tax and not a per residential address tax. So all those people people living in appartment buildings and the like don't pay their fare share to keep up the quality of the schools.
Brian, as a recent homebuyer in Pleasanton (moved in last July), I can confirm your thoughts on property values. When we were house hunting, school quality was among our top concerns, not just because we have a child about to start kindergarten but also because of what it says about the community. We dismissed many cities and communities outright from any further consideration due to the school factor alone. And, based on my discussions with other house hunters at the time, most others feel the same: School quality is of paramount importance to house hunters. You want to see how far Pleasanton house values can fall if school ratings here drop? Take a look at many parts of Livermore. Many of the houses themselves are comparable in size and layout to the mix of houses we have here in Pleasanton. Most communities there are decent enough. But the schools are a mixed bag, some fairly good ones with GreatSchools ratings of around '8' (as compared to the '9' and '10' ratings of Pleasanton schools) and, as I recall, some schools with lower ratings of '7' or perhaps even lower. The result? 100's of thousands of dollars difference in the listing price for similar looking houses between Livermore and Pleasanton. We considered Livermore, but found a house we liked in Pleasanton and were willing to pay a "Pleasanton premium" of a few $100K's to live here, a decision based largely on the school quality here. There's no better investment you can make in the value of your house than to keep your schools top-notch.
Keep adding to the debt. A retired Pleasanton teacher makes more than teachers working fulltime in the other 49 states!!!! Don't lash out but think about if that is a sustainable model or not.
Teachers probably don't get paid better here because the cost of living in our community is so high, but because they "need" Pleasanton taxpayers to pay for their caviar and smoked salmon. And their fancy-schmancy Datsons and Nissans.
To 'J Leslie' - Here is a credible alternative to spend your tax dollars more effectively. Web Link
PUSD received $165 million dollars last year. That is more than enough to pay for a quality education for our children. PUSD does not need additional funding.
"It is time for true patriots to stand up with me! Ask not what you can do for your community, ask what your community can do for you!"
I am a Tea Party enthusiast and I don't even come close to your line of thinking. You are one of those far off into the distance that's making the rest of us 'centrally located patriots' look bad.
Stop it! You are NOT a true Tea Party member. You just think you are.
I am for little and local government, getting these entitlements under control, etc. But, as a credentialed teacher of many years ago with two daughters and 9 grandkids in the school systems of CA, I absolutely, and without hesitation, believe a mere $98 per year (equivalent to one night out on the town) will be going to a wonderful cause...the children of today (whom, by the way, will be our adults tomorrow).
I know first hand there are wonderful and caring teachers in Ptown. It disappoints me to no end the slathering of hate and incorrect information too many of you on this blog are doing. Reading your comments clearly indicates to me that you know little to nothing about the ins and outs of the school employees and what they do, how they do it and what it really costs them personally ($ out of pocket) to do what they do for the children of this district. Shame on you for your meanness.
Yes on Measure E
It's the right thing to do while the idiots at the capitol do absolutely nothing.
Join us at the TriVAlley Patriots! Let's make this the "Tea Valley!"
Clarification: the bottom "join us at the tri-valley patriots! message is not mine but Mike's.
Marcia, you said "But, as a credentialed teacher of many years ago with two daughters and 9 grandkids in the school systems of CA, I absolutely, and without hesitation, believe a mere $98 per year (equivalent to one night out on the town) will be going to a wonderful cause."
Yes I can believe that you feel without hesitation the $98 will go to a good cause. It is needed so you can continue to get your step and column raises.
If the union decides to forgo step and column raises, I will vote for a parcel tax. I do not see that happening however.
So I am still No on Measure E.
Nomad - went to your link - lame - no facts to back up your PUSD budget claims.
I agree with "Just the Facts". All of Nomad's "options" would harm our district and have a negative impact on education.
I'm voting yes on E.
Teachers who live in the other 49 states could not afford to live in Pleasanton.
Be nice if the teachers who teach here could afford to live here.
If most of their compensation wasn't deferred, they probably could.
Its time for people to stop saying its for the kids, the school system, the real estate values, etc. There are so many causes to donate money to including to your next door neighbor who is losing their job and no longer able to pay their mortgage or sell their home due to falling real estate prices.
When did charity become forced taxes? Vote "NO" on measure E if you feel that Organizations should maintain their own budget just as individuals must in order to survive.
A "forced tax"? What's "forced" about it? We're all voting on it, remember?
"...if you feel that Organizations should maintain their own budget just as individuals must in order to survive."
The problem is that the district is dependent on the state for money. It can't predict how much it will get. Measure E helps with that.
Yes on Measure E.
Don't forget to mention that seniors will starve if E doesn't pass. Of course seniors are in no way endangered, but the children's deprivation and the seniors well being is always the excuse given for wasting more money.
Government for the People By the People Give it back to the People. We must all learn to live within our means. How many? those of us & friends struggling in this poor economy - can Go Tax someone Else to Pay Our Bills - NO more Taxes - Vote NO on E = Enough already.
Our household has 4 registered voters that are abosolutely, positively, voting YES on Measure E. Come on Pleasanton..... $98 a year to protect core academics? It's our responsibility to the current students, not to mention to protect our property values. $98....that's 2 pedicures a year!! You can do this!!
Debi, I don't believe in getting pedicures. But I get your point! Two members of our household voting Yes on E.
Fred, measure E is not going to help the problem of unstable money from the state. If the state was a small portion of the district income then it makes a difference in stability. $2,000,000 stable and $120,000,000 unstable does not make a stable environment. The stable part has to be a majority of the income to make a difference. Now if we had a parcel tax of $6000, that would be enough to be stable (maybe for a bit with automatic raises going out you would need a parcel tax of $6000 that raises 3% automatically every year also.
No tax for raises. No on E.
Measure E helps PUSD. It doesn't solve all the state's problems. Those problems have to be solved at the state level. Measure E money stays here in Pleasanton.
We've been very happy with our kids' teachers and the level of attention they've received. Now that the state is hurting, I think we need to come together as a community. We're going to vote for Measure E.
IF it passes, then yes it's a "forced" tax as it will be forced on ALL home/parcel owners by voter's that may or may not be home/parcel owners. (Fair might = 1 vote per parcel, but that's not going to happen)
You live in what's called a "democracy". You should look it up. Better yet, wait a few minutes and Stacey will probably come along and Google it for you.
Yes!... I just voted NO!
"Yes!... I just voted NO!"
You already got your ballot? I have not received mine.
I lied, what can I say?
Since you invoked me... I thought 2/3rds is undemocratic, at least according to some posters here.
I just received this email from our PFC:
"If you are home over Spring Break, please open your ballot, mark *YES* and mail your ballot immediately. If you are on vacation over Spring Break, as soon as you return home, please go through your mail, find your ballot, mark *YES*, and mail your ballot immediately. Also, please remind your spouse to vote *YES*. Better yet, find their ballot, put it in front of them, have them vote, and mail it for them. "
REALLY??? You are telling people how to vote?
Yeah, I will be sure to mark NO. I will then tell my spouse to go vote the way he would like, since I don't believe in telling people how to mark their ballots.
Just take a look at the starting salary for teachers (most of whom were in their early 20's in the 1990's) in Pleasanton. Over $54,000!
Some teachers make over $90,0000. That is higher than anywhere else. Anywhere. No on E.
@Lis Ann:"Just take a look at the starting salary for teachers (most of whom were in their early 20's in the 1990's) in Pleasanton. Over $54,000!"
So you think that $54,000 is a big salary? In Pleasanton? In the year 2011? Ummm, OK.
@ Sam. I am not Lis Ann, but I think $54K/yr. is a nice salary for someone who works 9.5 months per year from 8-4 every day. I would have NO problem living on this amount of money in Livermore or Tracy, for example. That is actually a closer commute than most people here make.
However, I think its great if the district can afford to pay teachers more than that. Sadly, PSUD can't afford it because they are too busy wasting money on huge pensions and bad union agreements.
Well, "Wow", I'm going to hazard a wild guess and say that you've never been a teacher because if you were then you would know that many hours of time are spent in class preparation. My wife is a language teacher for a private school, and she spends as much time preparing class materials as she does in class. It's not as easy of a job as you suggest.
I'm not going to begrudge giving teachers a decent salary to earn a decent living because, unlike you, I do want to attract bright people to the teaching profession to educate our children.
Has anyone received their mail-in ballots yet?
My husband and I received ours yesterday. Two YES votes went in the mail this AM!
We did a quick turn around of our ballots. Four NO votes in the mail!
"too busy wasting money on huge pensions "
That is a state issue. Teacher pensions are paid by CalSTRS, not PUSD. Measure E is a local issue.
Yes on E.
"That is a state issue. Teacher pensions are paid by CalSTRS, not PUSD. Measure E is a local issue."
Salaries and terms and conditions that affect the pension amount paid by CalSTRS are agreed by the district. For example, teachers salaries went up quite a bit here in Pleasanton a few years back because a deal was done regarding healthcare. Teachers got a big bump in salaries (which means higher pensions) in return for giving up health care benefits that are already covered by a spouse.
Not such a good deal for the teachers who don't have spouses who cover their healthcare and have to pay for it now out of pocket though . . . And it's one I'm surprised the union agreed to as they are the ones supposed to be protecting workers by making sure they have health benefits.
The union probably agreed to it because it means higher pensions. Putting the health insurance "on the schedule" made it pensionable. Take-home pay is larger and the district can stay competitive in advertising teacher salary amounts. The downside, as pointed out, is that some teachers end up having to cover increasing health care costs. Many of those problems would go away under a universal health care system, including retiree health benefits.
2 eligible voters here. Received 2 sample ballots a couple of weeks ago - received only 1 official ballot earlier this week. Who do I oontact to get the second ballot?
call the Alameda County Registrar of Voters
Two "Yes" votes from this family for Measure E, so we get at least one steady stream of revenue coming in that the state can't take away after all the massive cuts our schools have had to endure this last few years.
Yes on E!
41% of your taxes already go to education. In Pleasanton an additional 1K or so on your property taxes, which were refinanced without public knowlege to support increases in wage and pensions, leaving homeowners with the bill for years to come. When does it end?
Well, Amy, like the bumper sticker says, 'if you think education is expensive, try ignorance'.
As for your penchant for stating untruths, I really don't know when that will end.
Pleasanton Schools are good because "parents" are active. If they still remain active or try little more, we don't need "E" money.
What do you think draws "good" parents to Pleasanton? If the perceived quality of Pleasanton schools goes down according to such metrics as student-to-teacher ratio, "good" parents will stop buying into Pleasanton, at least at current Pleasanton home prices. Say "goodbye" to both your property value and to "good" parents and watch them all go to San Ramon and Danville.
You can't count on good demographics to bail you out on education. Demographics are always changing.
Massive cuts on education? I was at a meeting yesterday with Gov. Brown and he presented a chart that that showed that education spending had dropped from $57B to $49B and has been flat at $49B for the past four years. I don't consider this massive by any stretch given the recession we went through.
We are feeling the pain with dropped programs and increased student/teacher ratios because teacher raises and pension costs continue regardless what is happening with top line revenue.
Plus I'm sure the recently built $500M LA high school didn't help ...
Oh, and Brown said state employees wouldn't be getting raises for years until the revenue picture improves.
Wish that were the same here in Pleasanton.
Pleasanton spends $90k+ for Library assistant, $170k+ for park director and then $60k+ for teacher.
This link shows all the public salary for PLT.
I guess $2M more will not help anyway.
That links shows the public salary info for the City, not the District.
My family is voting YES. Go downtown any Thursday-Saturday night in Pleasanton -- residents spend $98 on a dinner for two or four without blinking an eye. But, you can't spend this on the schools? Take that night out and instead spend it on our future. If not, classroom sizes will rise again, PE gets cut again, technology and computer lab gets gutted, library gets cut back again. We know our kids' teachers at Alisal and Harvest Park. They aren't getting rich at their salaries, far far from it. They're dedicated to teaching our kids. Support them and our kids and Vote YES!
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