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Pleasanton students not the norm

Original post made by Me Too, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Oct 2, 2010

Studies show (Web Link) that average teenagers spend over 7.5 hours per day on media (online, texting, television, video games, etc). However, the Pleasanton homework survey shows that 46% of our students spend less than 1 hour per day with a full 95% reporting that they spend less than 1/2 the "normal" amount using media.

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Posted by Sally
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2010 at 1:52 pm

It's well known that people under-report the amount of time spent in front of screens. If you asked a hundred random people in any town how many hours of screen time they have per day, you'd be amazed at how "not the norm" that group would be, too.


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Posted by Poller Bear
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2010 at 2:00 pm

We should definitely be worried that this poll will be used to drive educational policy in our district.


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Posted by Maria
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2010 at 9:56 pm

"However, the Pleasanton homework survey shows that 46% of our students spend less than 1 hour per day with a full 95% reporting that they spend less than 1/2 the "normal" amount using media."

Hahahahaha.....

I'll believe that when a freak electrical storm knocks all those devices out. When I see these kids hanging out, they're texting every few minutes (and quite a few of my own friends are among them...)


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Posted by Parent of a 15 year old
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 4, 2010 at 8:49 am

That can NOT be true about Pleasanton students (unless they are the early elementary school years) because they are constantly texting, playing Xbox Live, Facebook and whatever else from the time they get out of school until they go to bed. I have to have my son put his phone in his bedroom while he does his homework because the kids are texting so much.


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Posted by parent of a middle school student
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Oct 4, 2010 at 9:29 am

And on top of all the games and texting, they have school sanctioned electronics such as the laptop program: a total distraction from learning...


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Posted by pleasantonian
a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 4, 2010 at 9:49 am

What % of students responded to the survey? Are those who participated actually representative of our community? I know lots of students who didn't have time (or felt they had the time) to do the survey since they were busy doing homework and studying. Why are the secondary students lumped together instead of middle school and high schoo? In high school the pressure to get A's is immense. Also, if you're involved in sports or band, the time commitment in high school and the pressure to excel is so much more than in middle school. I hope there more is evaluation done before the district makes policy changes; they need more data that this one survey provides!


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 10:16 am

I completely agree that there should be no way that middle school and high school should be grouped together. From all the anecdotal information I can find it appears that the biggest problem is actually middle school where the teachers apparently believe they are"preparing" the students for high school. Yes, high school student may get a substantial amount of homework, but most I talk do don't think its unreasonable except occasionally when some long assignments overlap.


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Posted by Member
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Oct 4, 2010 at 10:27 am

Regarding "the Pleasanton homework survey shows that 46% of our students spend less than 1 hour per day" on media and electronics, where is that survey? Who was being asked? What was being done to verify the accuracy of the statements? I don't believe that "statistic." There aren't any students that I know for whom that would be true. Is this the answer that students gave when their parents were listening?
It might be true that students will say that they spend 1 hour or less on social networking sites, but they aren't counting the 2-4 hours that they are working on homework with Facebook open, and they are toggling back and forth to Facebook every 3 minutes.
The better question to ask is: "How many hours per day is the Facebook application [or email or some other communication site] open?" I think the answer to that question would be 3-4 hours.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 4, 2010 at 10:39 am

Stacey is a registered user.

I think some have missed the point of this thread, which was to attack the credibility of the PUSD homework survey, not to talk about the amount of screen time students get.

So the survey was poorly written. And the response is to create a distraction from addressing the homework issue? Let's be fair and call this thread "student bashing". These students took time from their busy schedules to answer a survey under the sincere belief that they will be helping the district address a real issue and they are made fun of. To be fair, let's also attack the answers provided by parents and teachers and bash them too. For certainly, each person answering the survey only had their self-interest in mind.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 4, 2010 at 10:43 am

Stacey is a registered user.

BTW, Me Too, if I'm reading you wrong, please know that my response is colored by Poller Bear's response to your thread.


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Posted by concerned parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 10:46 am

I'm guessing my 2 kids (high school age) are quite typical of Pleasanton kids-- last week I started taking away younger son's phone while he does homework. I had checked our cell phone account on line, and one evening he had literally sent or received a text message every 1-2 minutes from about 6 pm-10 pm, nonstop.

In the spirit of not helicoptering, I prefer not to stand over him while he does his homework, but enough is enough!


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Posted by reasonable
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 12:44 pm

I have two laptop program kids and it has been a wonderful program. They use the computer primarily for their homework, and are both powerpoing pros. But when I noticed one kid spending too much time on Xbox, TV, YouTube, etc., I checked his grades -- lo and behold they were not so great. Now there is no Xbox allowed until the grades come back up. So he is working hard to regain the privilege. It is not a hard equation to figure out, especially since it is easy to watch the grades / trendline on Zangle.

I do believe that our kids spend only about half as much time as the average, since many are busy with sports and extracurriculars, as well as aiming for A's. Keep in mind what "average" means in this state and country!


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Posted by Jimmy the Jet
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 2:24 pm

I'd liked like to know the amount of screen time the people who are always on this blog are using. Yes, I check in now and then but I can always find a few favorites... you know who you are :)


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 5:20 pm

It wasn't really student bashing or putting down students (or parents), the way I look at it is that parents and students really do not have a true idea of how much time they spend on media type devices. Also, the survey, may not have been the best (although not overly horrible as best I can tell), but there is some concern that policy would be made based on the results of this truly non-scientific survey. But yes, it was good to see students take the survey even if it was only about 10% (for 6-12)


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 5:41 pm

Not to change the subject completely, but there is a priority issue also. There are probably very few (if any) student who would think of missing soccer/football/band practice to do homework? That's because those events get priority because the students know their are immediate consequence (i.e not be able to play or start in a game), where homework consequences are less immediate or tangible because the consequence may be lower grades, but would be hard to quantify exactly the affect for a specific student not doing a specific homework.

Yes, I do believe that the way our schools are currently structured, homework is necessary. But I also believe that it can be excessive and does need to be looked at (especially in elementary and middle school). I do take exception to those in high school that sign up for 4 AP classes and complain about too much homework (although I'm sure there are some AP teachers giving or requiring too much homework)

Its a complicated issue with a lot of variables especially as the students get older.


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Posted by Poller Bear
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 6:37 pm

Stacey,

It seems you've taken my concern personally. If you are somehow involved--maybe you wrote the survey?--I'm sorry that you feel you've been criticized or something. At least that's my guess as to why you reacted the way you did.

I'm not sure how you've interpreted my concern about the accuracy of the poll results as "student bashing." If students were polled on health and the survey determined that ice cream was the healthiest food according to student input, I'd be equally concerned. The unrealistic response to the homework survey should invite healthy skepticism and discussion.

I'm sorry you don't feel that way. Maybe you think students have the most informed opinion when it comes to what's good for them?


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 4, 2010 at 6:53 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Thank you to both of you for giving me the opportunity to illustrate how valid criticism of a subject can be twisted into claims of "bashing" where no such claim is warranted; where everyone gloms onto the "button pushing" words and the actual issue gets lost. I agree that the survey has its problem questions (see earlier thread on the subject). It is a starting point for a larger discussion.


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Posted by Poller Bear
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 7:08 pm

So you were what, joking? Walking it back? Taken out of context from an old clip on Bill Maher?

I have no idea what you're trying to say.


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 7:10 pm

Yes, it is a starting point for a larger discussion, but how long does it take to start this discussion. Our district seems to want to over analyze things. Yes, the survey seems like a good idea, but is there really any new information that can be taken from it? The same complaints from parents has existed for a few years. I'm guessing now that action will be to form 3 tasks force (1 for each level) involving teachers, parents and students. Then those tasks forces will report and a committee will be formed to come up with a recommendation which the board will then analyze and approve a policy. All in just a little over 3 years. Sorry, its just that sometimes it feels like it takes forever for the district to act.

By the way, are these honors classes in middle school?


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Posted by Just Sayin'
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 8:37 pm

It takes 20 minutes of study and practice to become a Powerpoint "pro."


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 4, 2010 at 9:02 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Me Too,
Who knows? It is probably within an individual school's power to try implementing their own ideas of addressing this issue without having to wait for the district. Then the district could examine what's working and what's not from the different schools to come up with district-wide policy.

Poller Bear,
Don't you get tired at all to read when valid criticism of a subject by concerned posters gets shouted down as some form of bashing? I do. So that was my attempt to employ irony to try to bring attention to the ridiculousness of it. I'm not saying that no bashing goes on at all, only that what can be considered valid criticism gets dragged down too.


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 9:08 pm

Stacey - possibly, but I would think highly unlikely since it is basically in the districts hands now that they have acknowledged it is an issue, but as you say, you never know.


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Posted by Get Educated
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 9:42 pm

Sorry for the long cut and paste, just wanted to share the information and timeline for the update to the district homework policy. There is one currently in place for every grade level, this process was to revisit, get community input, and revise if needed. I agree these can take a long time and require many meetings, but that is really what it takes to get input from those that want to give it.

Web Link
"The District has undertaken to work with teachers, parents, students and the community to gather input on our District homework policy. The goal is to develop a policy that meets the needs of students, teachers and our families. Possible changes in the policy will be submitted to the Board in May 2011. Several steps have already happened for this project.

1. It has been determined that the process will be run through the Student Achievement Advisory Committee (SAAC). This group meets five times per year and is open to anyone. Additional meetings will be added if needed. If you wish to be on the committee, please email Linda Flagler at lflagler@pleasanton.k12.ca.us

2. Last spring five separate surveys were distributed in the school community. The surveys were for K-5 parents with 1184 participants; K-5 teachers with 123 participants; 6-12 students with 680 participants; 6-12 teachers with 178 participants and 6-12 parents with 1159 participants. The surveys consisted of a number of specific questions as well as the opportunity to make comments. A summary of the survey results and comments can be viewed by clicking on the links below.
3. The survey results and tallied comments have been sent to the SAAC and were discussed at their meeting on Thursday, September 16. The committee also discussed whether additional information should be gathered this fall to identify any other areas of concern.

4.Potential solutions will be introduced to the public over the next several months through parent forums, staff meetings, and student groups. Information on educational research about effective homework practices will also be shared.

5. A screening of "Race to Nowhere" is scheduled in November. Please watch for details.

6. A draft revised policy will be available in March for feedback and will be submitted for Board consideration in May."


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Posted by Me Too
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 4, 2010 at 9:47 pm

Sweet, so only two years to make a policy unless the board doesn't like the draft.

Do you have the current homework policy? All I can find is something about the board recognizing that homework is an important tool (or something like that). Nothing specifically about time or amount or such. (I usually have troubles finding the things I want at PUSD website, so a link is appreciated - not a comment that its right there and I'm an idiot)


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 5, 2010 at 2:00 pm

i hate to be the one that surprises a few of you soids but your kids are the norm...average


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Posted by Me Three
a resident of Birdland
on Oct 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Oh Cholo, say it isn't so, not little Jimmy! He's on the soccer team, the baseball team, the basketball team, in the school play, in leadership, plays in a band, loves Call of Duty, shows me all the best videos on YouTube and makes his own, has almost 800 Facebook friends, texts me all the time during school so I know when to bring him Starbucks and lunch and when to call him out sick. He never goes out on weekends and he nor any of his friends have ever had a sip of alcohol or any illegal substance.

I just worry about Jimmy because he just doesn't have time to do all that homework.


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Posted by katie
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Oct 13, 2010 at 5:00 pm

it's sad and pathetic how much teenagers these days rely on electronic devices...and i am a teenager myself. some people are constantly texting every couple minutes. i don't get it! is it that hard to turn off your phone and actually interact with human beings?


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