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Stoneridge Creek retirement community, new auto mall win City Council's OK

Original post made on Sep 8, 2010

The City Council last night gave its final approval to multi-million-dollar development projects on Staples Ranch that will be the largest Pleasanton has seen since Hacienda Business Park was developed in the 1980s and 1990s.

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Posted by mooseturd, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 8, 2010 at 9:09 am

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Let the digging begin.

Posted by Anon, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 8, 2010 at 5:00 pm

More crappy jobs that can't support a family. Just what an economically challenged area needs. So where are the people who will buy these cars and spend 10K a month on assisted living, going to get the money to do so? Not working at these places, that's for sure.

What a crock. A dumping ground for the "services" we need, aka "anything to make a buck" from giant mega corporations that don't create jobs that match to the income required to buy their own products or live in the communities in which they operate.

Posted by Tom Gallagher, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Sep 8, 2010 at 7:21 pm

It's about time that this gets passed. Finally the council have voted unanimously on the issue that should have been done a long time ago.
Special thanks to Jennifer, Jerry and Cherle for pushing this to completion. You all have my vote for re-election.

Posted by Al Anon, a resident of West of Foothill
on Sep 8, 2010 at 7:26 pm

Anon is right! Who wants jobs these days anyway? Unless everyone can get a salary there that allows them to buy a million-dollar Pleasanton home, we should oppose this chance for economic growth!

Posted by Junebug, a resident of Alisal Elementary School
on Sep 8, 2010 at 9:11 pm

Finally after years and years of delays, we will have a needed senior housing community, another community park, important revenue stream that will stay in Pleasanton, and the completion of Stoneridge Drive!

Does it feel ironic to anyone else that the same people who are now being congratulated for building consensus in support of the project (Stoneridge Drive, Creek Alliance, Pleasanton Safe Streets, are the same people who delayed the project for years when there wasnt any really significant changes in the scope of the development plan.

Posted by Yikes, a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 8, 2010 at 9:17 pm

Yowzers, so should we remove every job from Ptown that dosen't support a wage to live here! You sad people a way whacked! You dont think the management of these operations will not make prevailing wages? Honestly, do you really think that every job available needs to be above Pleasantons poverty level? You anti corporate folks scare me! You have been led to believe that european corporations are so similar to our government jobs. Check out France and Germany's unemployment rates, Professor. And that is the next shoe to drop in the economy...wait till all these towns and cities start realizing that the cush jobs and pensions are NOT sustainable. While you clowns were out leasing your Escalades and Lexus', I was busy paying my house off! Good luck out there. Now you can start packing all your worldly possessions that you couldnt sell on craigslist, and head back to Indianapolis. Besides, we need the room on the freeways for people that want enrich themselves.

Posted by unemployment rates, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 pm

"Check out France and Germany's unemployment rates, Professor."

Germany is lower by about 2%. France about the same as US. What is your point. Looks like Germany is doing a lot better.

France 9.7%

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Germany 7.6%

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US 9.5%

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Posted by John, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 9, 2010 at 10:44 am

Jobs are, indeed, a good thing to add to our community, and the car dealerships will create at least some tax revenue stream for Pleasanton. On the other hand, do we need more car dealerships? There are empty car lots all across Dublin, to begin with, and right across the freeway from this site is where all the currently active Dublin dealerships are located. This project will result in several empty car dealership properties in Pleasanton which will therefore generate less tax revenue and become a further blight on our city (I would argue that ACTIVE dealerships are also a blight). The project will contribute to sprawl and blight in Pleasanton, the kind we see all over Dublin with its many many empty businesses... Planning should be smarter than this.

Posted by Kurt Kummer, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 9, 2010 at 12:41 pm

Hi John, let me see if I can help. These dealerships are not new to Pleasanton. They are already active dealerships that have been in Pleasanton for years. Their manufacturers have insisted they leave their outgrown sites, or move to another town. Probably Dublin. So the choice for Pleasanton planners is this: find a new spot where the existing dealerships can expand and the tax revenue stays here, or deny their desire to stay in town, have them move across the freeway, and those jobs and taxes go to Dublin. Staples Ranch is 'smart planning,' if you ask me.

Posted by Michael Leonard, a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Sep 11, 2010 at 9:27 am

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I'd be happy to let Dublin have all the car dealerships and to see Pleasanton focus on bringing more high paying technology jobs here. I moved to Pleasanton 12 years ago to take a job at a technology company but for the past 10 years I've had to commute to San Jose. Pleasanton isn't going to build it's future by competing with Dublin for car dealerships.

As far as the issue of pass through traffic on Stoneridge drive it is ridiculous how many cars are clogging up our Pleasanton roads as they drive through on the way to Livermore and places further east while not paying for the use of our roads. I think we should take the idea from I680 commuter lane and install Fasttrak sensors and enforcement cameras in Pleasanton and charge all the drivers who are passing through.

Posted by Kurt Kummer, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 11, 2010 at 9:57 am

Hi Michael. I disagree. We all drive cars, and we need places to purchase them and have them serviced. If you google '2009 tax revenues pleasanton' the first thing that pops up is a report that looks like it comes out quarterly. Scroll down a bit to see 'Pleasanton Top 15 Business Types.' This is a list of the top revenue producing business types for Pleasanton. Number 0ne on the list? New Motor Vehicle Dealers.

So maybe you want to throw away our town's top sales tax revenue producers, but I don't think you'd be very happy with the results.

Please don't get me wrong, I love hiking and biking as much as anyone, but cars are a fact of life to us, and our city needs tax revenues to operate and keep it as nice as it can be. So the notion that we would be happy to let Dublin have all the car dealerships just makes no sense at all to me.

Posted by Michael Leonard, a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Sep 11, 2010 at 12:21 pm

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Kurt it is funny that you try to start a debate about the necessity of cars. Guess what, I drive one too, as well as hike and all that. However I think it is a sorry state of affairs when Pleasanton's top revenue source is car dealerships. As I said I think Pleasanton should focus on attracting high tech jobs, not simply give up the car dealerships for nothing.

If you study competitive advantage you know that you want to go after the best prospects that you can and not waste time chasing something that many others can do. Dublin and Livermore have plenty of car dealerships.

Pleasanton has the Hacienda Business park, with lots of available land and some tech businesses. In the 12 years I have been here I have not seen any significant growth in high tech in Hacienda. These tech jobs pay many times more than car dealership jobs and Pleasanton would be a better place if it focused on attracting more high tech jobs instead of letting San Jose have them all.

Posted by Kurt Kummer, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 11, 2010 at 2:46 pm

Hi Michael. I was talking about the sales tax revenue to the city, I wasn't trying to 'start a debate about the necessity of cars.' I was just trying to point out that those businesses are the number one revenue sources for many, many towns. And suggesting that we throw that money away to another town is not a wise move. It doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by Yikes, a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 12, 2010 at 7:03 am

Michael, that is pure genius! And than we can add a sensor to back out a fee for the federal money used to build our infrastructure. And we can add another sensor to back out state allocated funds for infrastructure. And a federal stimulus "back out" sensor to rebate the federal government portion of the new "Pleasanton streets are for Pleasantians only" fee. And how bout this, we implement a new bureaucracy of street sensor management. And then we can hire Gray Davis to create a board of trusties to manage the management. Oh and lets not forget the over-paid union (sustainable wage)jobs that will be created to maintain this maintenance free operation. See, you and I can create all these jobs just buy typing up simple solutions on our computers. We didn't have to take any risk or use any of our valuable resources. Get off your pity pillow, go build a building in the business park, hire a few hundred people.....then we'll talk about your new sensor system. Maybe Jerry McNerny can help you put this together! Whats that you say...we are out of stimulus money! We were so close to getting this thing off the ground

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