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If it's Tuesday, it must be another Oak Grove debate

Original post made on Apr 23, 2010

Over the last couple of years, a regular contingent of opponents to the proposed 51-home development above Kottinger Ranch have taken an hour of their time--and many others--speaking at the start of City Council's meetings, which usually are held the first and third Tuesdays of the month. I haven't kept detailed records but I would guess that 30 or more hours of the council's meeting segments that are designated for public comments have dealt with the Oak Grove issue since 2007, when the council voted to approve the project. Of course, it's anyone's right--Oak Grove opponents or not--to address the council, but since the subject usually isn't on the night's agenda, those sitting on the council can't respond even though criticism directed at them can be bitter.

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Comments (14)

Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 23, 2010 at 8:24 am

Stacey is a registered user.

"but are also the two votes on the council that oppose Oak Grove. "


Mr. Sullivan voted FOR Oak Grove. His current opposition wasn't on the project itself, but on supporting people to referend it.

Posted by Lance, a resident of Birdland
on Apr 23, 2010 at 8:49 am

Forgive me for applying some common sense here, but why not just move "meeting open to the public" to the end of the agenda?

Posted by justwondering, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 23, 2010 at 11:22 am

Lance, that would be too logical. If the Mayor or Council even suggested such an idea, Kay and her minions would be screaming that they were trying to stifle the public's voice. Of course, its clear that they're using 'meeting open to the public' to attack the Mayor and Council members knowing full well that they can't respond from the dias since its not on the agenda. What Kay doesn't understand is how mean she comes off while speaking and is actually hurting her cause as people understand the council can't respond to her statements.

Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Downtown
on Apr 23, 2010 at 2:21 pm

If meeting to the public was at the end, then the mayor and some council members could not have their friends come and talk about the wars, and have that be seen by the public.

There has probably been more time talking about the wars at the Council, where they are not a part of the decision, than talking about Oak Grove.

Posted by Karen, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 23, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Yes, they come and talk and 2 council members and the Mayor stopped listening a long time ago. Yet Cheryl says she is interested in building a community?!

Posted by iwastheretoo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 23, 2010 at 5:32 pm

Pretty hard to listen when you're attacked personally, called a liar, etc. and yet not allowed to respond or defend one's self. Frankly, i have trouble listening to meeting open to the public because of the personal attacks--it really undermines the credibility of the speakers

Its amazing that they talk about campaign funds the Mayor and 2 council people received to 'buy their vote" yet don't talk about the money that Councilwomen McGovern received from the Hearst Dr, Gray Fox Cirle, etc. folks living adjacent to the Oak Grove property--over $2000 in the last election. Why isn't her no vote on Oak Grove questioned relative to the campaign donations received?

Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 23, 2010 at 9:34 pm

This is a truly silly issue. Anyone who has spent any significant time or energy opposing this measure should really step back and take a look at how they are spending their time.

Has anyone ever presented any reason not to let them build these houses? Save the hill? From having houses on it?

Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 23, 2010 at 11:09 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

It's all politics. If you're not doing it, your opponents are. Sad, but that's the trend these days.

Posted by joe blow, a resident of Downtown
on Apr 24, 2010 at 8:34 pm

Just drive through Kottinger Ranch and see all of the "No on D" signs on the lawns of people who live on a ridge top or on fill from those same ridge tops. It is so rediculous.

Posted by Joe, a resident of Danbury Park
on Apr 25, 2010 at 11:56 pm

I don't live there, but the mayor and her 2 buddies said over and over that they Kottinger Hills people were in favor of this development. Someone is not telling the truth.

Posted by Karen, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 25, 2010 at 11:59 pm

Sounds like Jeb is getting cranker than before. Are these meetings keeping him up past his bedtime?

Please shorten the diatribe next time. Thanks.

Posted by Kim, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2010 at 6:06 am

We should make decisions based on the whole city. I would like a private park in my backyard too. However, the best thing to do for the city would be to give the entire population access to a public park!!!!

Posted by Karen, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 26, 2010 at 8:55 am

Jeb and others.... Open to the Public is one time where all 5 council members can hear a citizen's take on topics in the city or country. Due to the Brown Act, a citizen can't just get the 5 of them together and talk things through.

I have found that developers and other factions can sit down with them one on one and have their voices heard on topics like housing, stores coming to town, etc.. An average citizen (not a paid lobbyist) working out of the area, does not have time to meet with each one. This is the time to talk BEFORE they make up their minds.

Keep our First Amendment rights alive!

And Jeb, cool you jets and take a chill pill for awhile. Better yet, tape it and skip the beginning few minutes.

Posted by justwondering, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

Karen, I think Jeb's point is to shorten your diatribes during meeting open to the public. Have you watched the archived web cast when you're speaking and noticed any eye rolling? Use the time for a meaningfull issue not as an opportunity to try and embarrass/attack the Mayor and council members you don't like. They have been elected to represent us, and give enourmous amounts of their time in service. Maybe a little civility would help.

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