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Pro Oak Grove ballot rebuttal may have too many words

Original post made by Angry voter on Mar 25, 2010

It appears that the pro Oak Grove ballot rebuttal (Measure D) may have too many words. It was due at 5:00pm today. Let's hope the city staff does the right thing and rejects the argument as required by State law.

Comments (29)

Posted by Brian, a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on Mar 26, 2010 at 8:48 am

How do you know that??? It hasn't even been published yet.


Posted by huh?, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Mar 26, 2010 at 8:53 pm

This has to be either Kay or one of her minions trying to stir up trouble. If you can't debate based on the facts then you have to create side issues such as this!


Posted by long time resident, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 27, 2010 at 10:48 am

Hi Jennifer (aka huh?).


Posted by rightbackatcha, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Hi Anne F.(AKA angry voter)


Posted by huh?, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Mar 27, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Thanks for the compliment--BUT dead wrong and in fact not even close!


Posted by Joe, a resident of Danbury Park
on Mar 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

If I recall correctly, Cheryl Cook did not want to include rebuttles in the voter pamphletes. She was dead wrong, and the otheres told her so... but maybe she is getting her wish!


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Mar 28, 2010 at 9:02 pm

Yes, Sullivan, McGovern and Thorne got it right on allowing rebuttal arguments in the voter guide for the Measure.


Posted by neighbor, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Mar 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm

It scares me that Cheryl teaches civics. I have never seen anybody who more strongly does not believe in the power of the people. She is against every initiative (probably except prop 98 since she is a teacher) and did not want rebuttal arguments since she wants the last word.

Cheryl has stated in the past that she does not believe in direct democracy. She said if you do not like the elected officials, you have a chance to vote them out every 4 years. I hope this city is smart enough to vote her out in November.


Posted by met her, like her, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 28, 2010 at 11:37 pm

Dear 'neighbor,' (hope you're not a neighbor of mine,) have you ever met Cheryl Cook Kallio in person? I doubt it. Cheryl and I probably don't agree on many political issues, but she's someone who values others' opinions, and certainly is a great teacher. To say that she 'scares you' just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. I hope you get the chance to talk with Cheryl someday. Instead of flinging nasty insults, you may meet a new friend, and grow up a little. Good luck.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 28, 2010 at 11:41 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Neighbor would say the same thing about the Founding Fathers, who also abhorred direct democracy.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 28, 2010 at 11:44 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sounds like neighbor needs a lesson in civics.


Posted by neighbor, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:05 am

I do know Cheryl and have talked with her. She has always been condescending. Her attitude has been that she was elected to make decisions on her point of view and was not open to listening to other points of view. Her feeling is the public meeting with people speaking is a waste of her time as she has already made up her mind.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:47 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Who cares if neighbor knows Cheryl (or claims to)? Anyone can say anything about anyone here.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:54 am

Stacey is a registered user.

This is like "he said, she said". Yet the lack of civics knowledge is glaring.

"From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions."


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:56 am

Stacey is a registered user.

I wonder if neighbor can find the word "democracy" in the Constitution.


Posted by Marie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:13 am

That is not the Cheryl I know. She cherishes a good discussion. She is passionate about things.


Posted by neighbor, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Mar 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm

I can find the California State Constitution which reserves the right to do direct-democracy with initiatives and referendums to the people.

Cheryl has always been downright rude to me. I have had discussions with all the council members on numerous items and while they do not always agree with my point, only Cheryl has been rude.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Danbury Park
on Mar 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm

When the elected officials stop listening to their citizens in a small communities like Pleasanton, there is trouble. When certain people like lobbyist, have significantly more influence over the politicians than the public – LIKE IN THIS CASE, then Cheryl needs to step down.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:56 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

The California Constitution is not "the" Constitution and neighbor knows well which one I meant. Funny, the word "democracy" doesn't show up in the California Constitution either despite having initiative, referendum, and recall.

I, for one, am glad that we have someone as knowledgeable of US government as Cook-Kallio in office. We need more of that, not less.


Posted by neighbor, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Mar 29, 2010 at 9:38 pm

Last I checked Pleasanton is in California and when the council was sworn in, they swore to uphold the California Constitution in addition to the US Constitution. Hum, we have a council member who lives by the US Constitution and not the State constitution, and a mayor who went to law school but cannot pass the California bar since she apparently does not know California law.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 29, 2010 at 9:46 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

First you offered your opinion, but now you're accusatory with your statement that the California Constitution is not being upheld. Got any facts to back up your claim or are you just trying to smear someone's name?


Posted by neighbor, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Mar 30, 2010 at 8:49 am

I think you are jumping to conclusions with your statement. I meant that Cheryl knows the US Constitution but does not know the California Constitution or at least does not like provisions of it like the ability of direct democracy (initiatives and referendums). She tried to prevent initiatives and referendums from going on the ballot and rebuttal statements. The only initiative she has been in favor of was measure QQ which was only meant to be a council-directed initiative to confuse the electorate. In the past our elected officials embraced initiatives and referendums from the residents as it got the residents involved in their own city. She would like the residents to pay attention to something else while she makes the decisions.


Posted by How much are they paying you?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 30, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Stacey,

You are always defending Hosterman, Thorne and Cook-Kallio on this blog despite their anti-democratic (representative or otherwise) actions. How much are they paying you? Or, maybe you are one of them? Or better yet, maybe you're their PR operative Angela Ramirez-Holmes! In any case, their actions speak louder than your words. So give it up.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 30, 2010 at 1:32 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Why can't people just hold different opinions? Why does it have to come down to who is getting paid or making up a fantasy that I'm Ramirez-Holmes? There are opinions beyond your own. You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to. The fact that you turn to speculation about me speaks volumes about you.


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm

In a democracy you don't have to like every provision of the Constitution to still uphold it. In addition, one has the right to circulate a referendum or initiative, you also have the right to campaign against the content of such if one believes that it is not good law or one happens to approve of the ordinance that is being referended. That is power to the people also. It does NOT just work one way.

The issue with circulating a referendum or an initiative is that people are asked to sign without time to look at the entire issue. Yes, some people do, most people don't. The reason you have representatives is so that they will read all the information, listen to both sides and then make a decision over time.

From some on this blog, it sounds like if you don't agree then you must be wrong. Can there just be that there are people who disagree.

This is mean and personal. You must be paid by someone if you think differently? Shame on you. Community of character? An observer would not come to that conclusion.


Posted by Selling out, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm

When a member of congress votes against health care reform, is it their opinion or is it because of the tens of thousands of dollars they have received from health care lobbyists? When they vote against increasing CAFE standards for vehicles is it their opinion or is it because of contributions from big oil and Detroit? When they vote for never-ending wars is that their opinion or because of defense industry money? Cook-Kallio is constantly using "it's just my opinion" when voting to back the Chamber and developers. More like a sell-out than an opinion. Doesn't wash.


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 30, 2010 at 9:25 pm

We have the best politicians that money can buy.


Posted by Anne Marie, a resident of Del Prado
on Mar 30, 2010 at 10:48 pm

And THAT'S why you're anonymous!


Posted by Nancy, a resident of Downtown
on Apr 3, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Once again, entirely insulting that just because you disagree with someone you are bought and paid for. What a joke! Wow, a $500 contribution here or a $100 contribution there. She sure works cheap!


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