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ObamaCare 2.0

Original post made by jimf01, another community, on Feb 22, 2010

The White House unveiled an outline of the proposed White House compromise between the House and Senate versions of ObamaCare. No public option, but even higher taxes for businesses and the rich than were previously proposed. And an additional component: Tadaa! price controls! Hugo Chavez will be proud!
Even though states already have a process for reviewing insurance companies premium increases, the federal government wants now to duplicate the role and in some cases gain authority to overrule individual states on their decisions.

This CNN story, curiously, does not call the employer tax a tax, instead, employers are "required to pay a fee of $2,000 per worker" and the story omits the new proposal for a tax increase on the rich, emphasizing the benefits side of the proposal.
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The WH proposal Web Link


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 22, 2010 at 1:52 pm

the US gummint does not care if you live or die...it's time to moveon.com


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on Feb 22, 2010 at 9:06 pm

dublinmike is a registered user.

There was never an "ObamaCare 1.0." It was congress trying to submit for approval an option or a universal care. President Obama and his administration were trying to submit comments. The situation was hijacked by the right.


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Posted by Fear of UNknown
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2010 at 11:12 pm

Hope you don't need a job. Employers aren't hiring.....they are scared to death of UNknown taxes and 'requirements' that are going to be imposed on them for each employee.....SO WHY would they hire additional employees, if they can 'get by' without?


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Feb 23, 2010 at 9:36 am

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No one on the right has hijacked anything. They have not been allowed at the table to craft any positive changes to health care. Their constructive criticism was also ignored.
Only when the Dems saw the polls and elections go against them and their agenda did they decide to engage in the politic theatre scheduled for this Thursday.

Obama sets the agenda for his toadies in Congress---he owns this issue and is too arrogant to admit it's a failure. If he really wanted to improve people's health, he would make positive changes in increments, assess what works, and continue to make improvements.

Instead, he and Congress want to throw out what works for 80% of legal Americans, in favor of trying to take over the healthcare industry. He, like many Dems, choose to demonize businesses and successful people (in this case the insurance industry and doctors, indirectly). This class warfare stuff is tiresome and counterproductive if you really intend to effect positive change.


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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Feb 23, 2010 at 9:44 am

Too right Steve, and the price controls component is just the most naked evidence of that.
The willing accomplices in the mass media dutifully portray this as a compromise, when in truth it is a compromise between the Dem coalition in the Senate and the Dem coalition in the House.


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Posted by Pleasanton Mom
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 23, 2010 at 10:44 am

Insurance does not drive the cost of health care; it is the cost of health care that drives the cost of insurance. Anyone in the health care or insurance industry understands this as absolute fact. For the Obama administration and other advocates of a public option to point blame on the insurance industry is a red herring and a deception.

Private enterprise -- including health care providers, drug companies, and yes, even insurance companies -- has given us the best health care in the world. No government entity can give the quality of service and innovation that the private sector can. Costs will go up or the quality of services will go down -- or both, once the government steps in. Just compare the customer service experience at a UPS store or FedEx store to a visit at the U.S. Post Office. Enough said.

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Posted by Pleasanton Mom
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 23, 2010 at 11:16 am

Perhaps people will understand the Restaurant food analogy...

Obama proposal limits rights of Americans to use their own money to save their own lives.

The February 22, 2010, Obama Administration health care proposal imposes premium price controls on ALL insurance plans, not just those for Medicare-eligible senior citizens. That means that the right of Americans to spend their own money to get insurance plans less likely to deny treatment will be significantly limited. People will not be allowed to spend their own money, if they choose, to improve the chances of saving their own family's lives.

It is basic economics that price controls force rationing.

Under the President's proposal, states and the federal government would be empowered to review and reject premiums charged by any health insurance plan, even the supposedly "grandfathered" plans that Americans now have.

Yet the Administration has the temerity, even now, to state, "For Americans with insurance coverage who like what they have, they can keep it. Nothing in this act or anywhere in the bill forces anyone to change insurance they have, period."

It is as though a government, concerned about the high cost of restaurant food, imposed a price limit of $5 per meal, and then asserted that for those who like their restaurant food, nothing will force them to change their eating habits. The reality, of course, is that restaurants would be unable to afford to offer meals at prices below the cost of their ingredients. Consequently, about all restaurant-goers would be able to get would be fast food.
Similarly, when every premium increase is subject to veto by government officials, it means that instead of Americans making their own choices balancing the cost against the benefit in evaluating competing insurance plans, that decision will be taken out of their hands by bureaucrats whose principal duty is to hold health care spending down.

Denial of lifesaving diagnostic tests and treatment would surely follow. This is rationing, pure and simple.

Burke Balch, J.D., director of the National Right to Life Committee's Powell Center for Medical Ethics


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Posted by Ryan T.
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 23, 2010 at 2:46 pm

Jimf01,

You really need to get a life beyond posting right-wing smear about Democrats and Obama. Do you have a job or are you too busy worshipping Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh? It's amazing how many of you "hard working" conservatives spend all day posting crazy smear on the Pleasanton Weekly TownSquare Forum. Pretty pathetic.


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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Feb 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm

Ryan - have a coke and a smile

:)


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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Feb 25, 2010 at 5:40 pm

jimf01 is a registered user.

Rep Paul Ryan makes his case directly to the President. The President, umm, changes the subject
Web Link

smoke and mirrors

$38 trillion that Medicare currently owes to the American people. 100% of that is unfunded. Where will the money come from?

$52 billion of savings is claimed by counting increased Social Security payroll revenues. These dollars are already claimed for future Social Security beneficiaries

$72 billion in savings is claimed from the CLASS Act long-term care insurance. These so-called savings are not offsets, but rather premiums collected to pay for future benefits


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