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Original post made by Marcia, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Jan 28, 2010

So sorry for my lack of knowledge of how to paste the website from today's Sacbee.com but this is great and detailed information showing all the schools and how much each pays out to their teachers. Just remember, PUSD staff pays for their own insurance. Please take a moment to go to www.sacbee.com
and check this out. It's well worth your time. Here is a snippet, albeit not in the format they use.


"See how well your school district pays its teachers"


Buzz up!By Phillip Reese
preese@sacbee.com The Sacramento Bee

MOUNTAIN VIEW-LOS ALTOS UNION Santa Clara 198.4 $61,184 $95,365 $115,616
LOS GATOS-SARATOGA JOINT UNION Santa Clara 167.5 $57,646 $91,181 $114,327
LAGUNA BEACH UNIFIED Orange 145.74 $51,647 $91,127 $116,871
MENLO PARK CITY ELEMENTARY San Mateo 152.13 $50,942 $86,027 $101,029
MOUNTAIN VIEW ELEMENTARY Los Angeles 440.6 $47,025 $85,553 $96,994
TAMALPAIS UNION HIGH Marin 243.4 $51,525 $85,402 $98,306
FULLERTON JOINT UNION HIGH Orange 640.19 $49,879 $85,275 $107,313
HILLSBOROUGH CITY ELEMENTARY San Mateo 109.98 $51,590 $84,735 $115,456
PALO ALTO UNIFIED Santa Clara 738.92 $51,422 $83,994 $103,836
ST. HELENA UNIFIED Napa 104.52 $55,653 $83,645 $102,736
ORANGE COUNTY OFFICE OF ED. Orange 454.92 $39,506 $82,389 $102,402
PLEASANTON UNIFIED Alameda 793.7 $55,646 $81,928 $98,045
ANAHEIM UNION HIGH Orange 1392.4 $47,665 $80,736 $99,631
MODESTO CITY SCHOOLS Stanislaus 1542.34 $52,864 $80,686 $97,998
NEW HAVEN UNIFIED Alameda 669.33 $48,658 $80,594 $102,245
CARMEL UNIFIED Monterey 160.8 $47,532 $79,807 $97,321

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Posted by Concerned Parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2010 at 7:23 pm

Thank you Marcia. I didn't think it was true when certain posters on this forum claimed that Pleasanton teachers were the highest paid but I could never get any verification. This is very helpful.


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Posted by Sandy Piderit
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2010 at 8:15 pm

what are the headings for that table?

I'm guessing that there's
-school district name
-some kind of decimal number
-starting teacher salary?
-is the middle dollar amount mean, or median, or what?
-highest salary step?


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Posted by alf
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2010 at 8:59 pm

On top of that, Pleasanton teachers pay their own benefits. I had no idea those other districts paid so much more.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 28, 2010 at 11:39 pm

1/3 of Pleasanton teachers pay their own benefits, the other 2/3 are covered by their spouse. This was something Pleasanton teachers voted for in exchange for a higher salary and pension payment. If you're going to make the comparison, please make the adjustments so that you're comparing total compensation, not the isolated, uncommon, argument that suits your position.


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Posted by Get Educated
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 12:12 am

Where do you have the link to the 2/3 number of teachers not paying their benefits? Many teachers have spouses who are now out of work and are paying for their benefits in greater numbers. If they can not verify their spouse having a -group- policy, then they have to pay themselves. Dental and vision is not optional, all teachers have to pay for those costs.

Yes teachers may have voted for it, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still paying for them out of the numbers you see posted here. Due to no COLA increases for two years and rising benefits costs, many in PUSD have had a decrease in pay. Even if teachers are not paying for their benefits, the numbers still show they are not the highest paid as many claim.

Interesting to note that in Palo Alto, teachers received a 2.5% raise last year, and money was added to their benefits this year instead of receiving another pay raise.
Web Link
"Gogarty said that increase is covered by a union concession from last year which allowed employees to opt out of district health coverage in return for $250 a month, thus saving money for the district." They are in the middle of a parcel tax campaign which will raise their tax to $589. Does anyone know of concessions that their teachers are making?


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jan 29, 2010 at 7:03 am

Did anyone see the article in The Independent about contracts with the unions. It states: "The district adopted a new kind of bargaining a few years ago that is interest-based. Casey explained that the old adversarial model set both sides in negotiations in firm positions." The district adopted interest based bargaining after a teachers's strike back when Bill James was superintendent--20 years ago or more.

The more important part speaks to the lack of transparency about the negotiations. Open negotiations are what is needed.

GE: The last PUSD response was that over 50% of teachers opt out of benefits because they are covered through some other vehicle. You are neglecting to mention that since the benefits were rolled onto the schedule, raises that were received also, in effect, raised the amount for benefits. No one, however, has explained why benefits cost upwards of $18,000 a year. Who is negotiating those premiums?

As to benefits--reread this line: allowed employees to opt out of district health coverage. That means the district pays $2,500 as an incentive--not $10,000 or more like PUSD. They also negotiated a system last year that removes what are called lifetime benefits (paying for benefits from retirement until medicare kicks in). It will take time to remove this liability/expense, but they made that tradeoff for the 2.5%.

Want to know what PAEA is negotiating? Drive over--negotiations are open to the public. And if we are looking for real change, get rid of the me too clauses for the district negotiators.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 10:18 am

Well THAT was a carefully selected list, eh? So it now appears obvious that the outcome of the negotiation was to direct the members to start and populate self serving threads on the PW site. This has been going on for the last two days. Perhaps you might consider identifying yourselves as teachers/union members when you post? Probably not.

Anyway, my personal stance is if you are unsatisfied with your current pay and job, please feel free to apply elsewhere. Of course those districts are facing the same budget reductions as PUSD.
Re: "And if we are looking for real change, get rid of the me too clauses for the district negotiators."

It is still difficult for me to believe that this kind of BS is allowed throughout our government services. It is nothing more than white collar crime in my opinion.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 10:39 am

Comparison with other districts is not meaningful as they will all have to cut their compensation and pension benefits. Using Peter to justify Paul doesn't work when everyone is under water. This is how we got into ridiculous CEO salaries, which have to be cut substantially. The "banksters" need to be cut along with the public sector unions. We are in the final death throes of the whole system. If we are not careful the whole system can collapse. Greece is toppling, Spain is next and the U.K. and U.S. are following soon.


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Posted by Reality
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03 am

I think the majority of PUSD teachers are terrific educators and deserve to be well compensated for their work.
However, salaries are the largest expenses of the PUSD budget.
For most people, their mortgage is their biggest expense, and as individuals received pay cuts or experienced job losses, they began to look at ways to decrease their expenses, and anyone who could decrease their largest expense, their mortgage, did.
Is it really any different for PUSD?
Reducing anyone's salary is not something anyone should take joy in doing.
But it seems to be the necessary thing to do - temporarily.
Other expenses that do not impact students' education should be eliminated before negotiations with APT begin. Teachers should not have their hours reduced or positions cut, nor should programs be cut so that PUSD can continue to fund unnecessary expenses. I'm among those who is stunned that the School Board agreed to continue car allowances when they renewed the Asst. Superintendents' contracts.
But after reading all the information on the PUSD website, watching the Board meetings and checking other sources provided by posters on this forum, it seems that tackling the district's largest expense is what is needed.
I hope the teachers' union will provide some expense relief for its members by reducing its dues and addressing the unfair way single teachers are forced to purchase an expensive district health plan.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 11:23 am

Reality well said and spot on.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 12:06 pm

We need to take a second look at the giveaways to the Asst.Supdts. and the contract for the new Supdt. We cannot shuffle that under the rug. They need to take a larger percentage reduction than the teachers. The Board has to face up to its responsibilites to cut overhead.


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Posted by To Reality
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2010 at 2:42 pm

Of course salaries are the biggest expenditures on PUSD's budget because schools are all about teaching children with teachers, not computers and books. If you look at any service-type industry with personnel as their main product, you'd see that salaries are their biggest expenditures too.

Why would you want the school district's biggest expenditures to be something else, like building maintenance? If I were looking into a school budget, I would hope salaries are the biggest cost.

And again to those complaining of teacher's unions, look, love them or hate them, would you prefer teachers being treated like private sector employees, where turnover rates are high and the only way you can get people to stick around is to pay them more?

Believe me, I would much rather have a union teacher who sticks around rather than teachers cycling in and out of the school. If you think experienced tenured teachers are bad, wait until your child gets an inexperienced novice teacher who has no idea what they're doing and who leaves EVERY YEAR, because no one is paid enough to stick around and babysit 30-plus kids!


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Posted by check this out
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 29, 2010 at 10:46 pm

also from the Sacramento Bee: Who are state teacher retirement people?


Highest Paid State Workers Outside UC System

JOHN B EHNES STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER/STATE TEACHERS' RETIREMENT $684,523
.
CHRISTOPHER J AILMAN STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYS CHIEF INVESTMENT OFFICER $665,453
.
RUSSELL READ PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS CHIEF INVESTMENT OFFICER $586,806
.
LEON G SHAHINIAN PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR INVESTMENT OFFICER $566,077
.
CURTIS D ISHII PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR INVESTMENT OFFICER $530,607
.
MOHINDER KAUR MENTAL HEALTH SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $523,816
.
KIM NGUYEN CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $517,025
.
JANET D FRANK STATE COMP INSURANCE FUND PRESIDENT/STATE COMPENSATION INSURANCE FUND $515,022
.
BONG DOAN MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $458,966
.
FAROUKI MAJEED PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR INVESTMENT OFFICER $457,539
.
THEODORE H ELIOPOULOS PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR INVESTMENT OFFICER $442,109
.
JULIAN KIM CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $441,774
.
TIM L ALDER MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $437,473
.
ALAN O TROUNSON CA. INST FOR REGENERATIVE MED PRESIDENT $434,325
.
ALFREDO S DAZO CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $426,606
.
CLAYTON A LAYUS CORRECTIONS DENTIST $425,951
.
JONG Y MOON CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $423,887
.
RAFFI TASHJIAN SOCIAL SERVICES MEDICAL CONSULTANT I (PSYCHIATRIST) $420,131
.
ERIC B BAGGESEN PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR INVESTMENT OFFICER $420,009


.
FRED R BUENROSTRO JR PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS EXECUTIVE OFFICER/PUBLIC EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYS $413,505
.
MICHAEL F JOHANEK CORRECTIONS STAFF PSYCHIATRIST $413,249
.
LAWRENCE STARK CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $406,035
.
NANDAN P KUMAR MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $401,336
.
ROBERT T HALL CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $400,171
.
VACHE CHAKMAKIAN CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $398,148
.
MIKE T DIRE STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYS INVESTMENT DIRECTOR $396,407
.
RAJACHANDRAN SRINIVASAN DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES MEDICAL DIRECTOR $394,521
.
JAMES A SMITH CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $392,520
.
KEVIN A WINTER PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR PORTFOLIO MANAGER $388,845
.
STANLEY E KUNTZMAN CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $388,314
.
RONA D LIU CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $387,780
.
GLENDON M SHIMIZU DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES DENTIST $387,205
.
RAYMOND E BAKER CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $386,497
.
MICHELLE C CUNNINGHAM STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYS INVESTMENT DIRECTOR $383,512
.
ANNE STAUSBOLL PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS CHIEF OPERATING INVESTMENT OFFICER $381,004
.
MARK L MUCKEY YOUTH AUTHORITY CHIEF DENTIST $377,774
.
JONCARLO R MARK PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR PORTFOLIO MANAGER $377,621
.
GLENN W JAMES CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $374,329
.
RICHARD E LIPON MENTAL HEALTH SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $369,301


.
SUNIL R KISHAN MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST $368,037
.
JEFFREY J WANG CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $367,079
.
JAROM A DASZKO CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $365,702
.
JAMES C TUDOR JR STATE COMP INSURANCE FUND PRESIDENT/STATE COMPENSATION INSURANCE FUND $363,224
.
MANUEL A SABIN II CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $362,530
.
STEVEN TONG STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYS INVESTMENT DIRECTOR $361,309
.
CHENGXIN YANG MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $358,705
.
SHELLY JAMES CORRECTIONS STAFF PSYCHIATRIST $355,330
.
ELLEEN Y OKADA STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYS INVESTMENT DIRECTOR $354,506
.
LEV IOFIS MENTAL HEALTH SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $354,192
.
WAYNE A ULIT CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $352,995
.
LUONG N PHAM CORRECTIONS STAFF PSYCHIATRIST $352,819
.
KOU-YING HSIEH CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $348,891
.
NOLAN J NELSON MENTAL HEALTH CHIEF DENTIST $348,816
.
KELLY J LOOMIS SOCIAL SERVICES MEDICAL CONSULTANT I (PSYCHIATRIST) $347,305
.
JOSHUA C DEANE MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $346,926
.
MARK D DAIGLE CORRECTIONS SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $346,168
.
CHRISTOPHER W SANGDAHL MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $345,686
.
MERLE M MADERA MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $345,503
.
JOGINDER SINGH MENTAL HEALTH SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $345,488


.
MAYA C KUMAR MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $344,030
.
RONALD L SEELING PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS CHIEF ACTUARY $343,762
.
ROBERT B PAXTON SOCIAL SERVICES MEDICAL CONSULTANT I (PSYCHIATRIST) $343,505
.
DARRELL C SIMIEN YOUTH AUTHORITY CHIEF DENTIST $343,297
.
ALLAN JT YIN CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $343,241
.
VICTOR J PEREZ MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $343,166
.
ROBERT LEO CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $342,281
.
PHUNG V DOAN DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $341,701
.
CHARLES L ROBERTSON CORRECTIONS DENTIST $341,292
.
DAI T PHAM CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $341,044
.
LEONARD J RAIMONDO CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $340,981
.
BA N TRAN DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $340,534
.
ALENE S LEVINE CORRECTIONS CHIEF PSYCHIATRIST $340,438
.
AMY SANTIMALAPONG MENTAL HEALTH CHIEF DENTIST $339,862
.
NHUHY HATHUC MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $339,824
.
ALFONSO FERNANDEZ PUBLIC EMPL'S RETIREMENT SYS SENIOR PORTFOLIO MANAGER $339,816
.
JEAN J DANSEREAU MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $339,772
.
JERI SHEPHERD CORRECTIONS DENTIST $338,473
.
FEDERICO J BANALES MENTAL HEALTH STAFF PSYCHIATRIST (SAFETY) $338,053
.
ROSS M PETERS CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $337,696


.
TIMOTHY B MALAN CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $337,677
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PAGE COOK CORRECTIONS PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON $337,507
.
FRANK E BONNET CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $337,352
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MICHAEL H LISIAK MENTAL HEALTH SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $337,049
.
HADLEY C OSRAN MENTAL HEALTH SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SPECIALIST) $336,992
.
WILLIAM E FOSTER CORRECTIONS SENIOR PSYCHIATRIST (SUPERVISOR) $336,458
.
PHILIP HERNON CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $336,141
.
THOMAS CHANEZ CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $335,998
.
WILLIAM W MILLARD CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $335,424
.
MARC L WEISMAN CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $335,357
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GARY A KERSTETTER CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $334,757
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CHANGSU PARK CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $334,755
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GEORGE M SOOHOO YOUTH AUTHORITY CHIEF DENTIST $334,632
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ARTHUR N GARBUTT CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $334,504
.
JOSEPH R PAULSEN CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $334,357
.
THADDEUS DILLARD II CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $334,357
.
ROBERT L STOGSDILL CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $334,357
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WARREN H LIU CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $333,471
.
DONALD J PERRY CORRECTIONS STAFF PSYCHIATRIST $332,627
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MICHAEL SONGER CORRECTIONS CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER $332,403


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WILLIAM O KUYKENDALL CORRECTIONS CHIEF DENTIST $331,804



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Posted by a reader
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 30, 2010 at 8:18 am

The above post was bizarre. Dentists and doctors? I thought this was about teachers.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 30, 2010 at 8:42 am

Let's not even start with our correctional system......talk about a racquet. Another example of a strong union bleeding Ca taxpayers.


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Posted by Conerned
a resident of Castlewood
on Feb 24, 2010 at 10:58 pm

As a working mother it occurs to me that I currently pay $5.75 per hour for my child to go to day care after school. The day care is not responsible for teaching my child to read, write, spell, problem solve, think critically, understand the world around her, learn the periodic table by the time she leaves fifth grade, master life skills, perform at proficient or above in all subject areas and be a positive, contributing member to society. Of course, as a parent I support this learning, but in day care I pay for my child to be safe, supervised and have social time with her peers. If I were to pay the hourly rate for 6 hours a day for 180 days a yet that would be $6,210 for 180 days. Hmmmm... the school district receives less then this $5,428 per child to be exact. The teachers and administrators provide a well-rounded, stimulating educational experience for my child every day. High quality education is expensive! The funding is going backwards and as so many individuals focus on teacher salaries rather then the bigger issue of a broken funding system I have to wonder if we are putting our energy in the right place? I have lived in a community where teachers were underpaid and the turnover was a huge problem! My children had more then one teacher that was lost, inexperienced and did not have support from the district. That is why we are in Pleasanton. The claim that the district needs to be transparent is a ridiculous! Go to a board meeting, watch it on TV or the web. All information is available... you just need to read, watch, observe and ask your questions if it is unclear. Now the teachers are taking 8 days cut in pay- students are loosing 8 days of instruction... and parents... If you pay for daycare at the average rate of $5.75 per hour for 6 hours per day you will be paying $276.00 for the 8 days your child will not be in school! The children are loosing 2,880 instructional minutes...PRICELESS! Wasn't the parcel tax only $233.00???


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Feb 24, 2010 at 11:11 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

"the school district receives less then this $5,428 per child to be exact."

I like the way you're thinking. The problem with your analysis though is that $5,428 is the revenue limit per student (ADA) amount. The district actually gets more than that. You need to consider the other sources of funding too, like categoricals. Check out Ed-Data website. It reports that PUSD got $10,110 per ADA for 2007/2008 (the latest available data, their revenue limit was $6,347 that year).


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Feb 24, 2010 at 11:12 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sorry, forgot the Web Link for Ed-Data.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Feb 24, 2010 at 11:17 pm

Concerned, I'm not sure that you have submitted any public information requests--it is difficult to get answers. And one only need to look at the most recent board materials which were not posted completely until questions were raised with the board members, the key information on the agreement only being posted 10 hours before the meeting.

Not sure why you used this old thread to post your comments.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 24, 2010 at 11:57 pm

You are correct... there were categoricals, but this year the govenor cut those and opened up the restrictions that were attached. Those have been cut as well. Next year they are going to be completly gone. The only funding under categoricals that still has many restrictions is for English Language Learners. All in all... it is significantly less then what we had before. I used pure ADA as all districts receive the cagegoricals based on the same formula...how many students fall into a specific category. Therefore I chose to only use the funding for the base program, which in Pleasanton has always been significantly higher. My thought really is that it is ironic that I pay more for child care then for my children's education. Just interesting when you consider the difference in the responsibilities of each entity.


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Posted by Dark Corners of Town
a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 25, 2010 at 12:35 am

Concerned - What is the adult:child ratio at the day care center?


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 25, 2010 at 10:14 am

12:1 Ratio


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