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Original post made by Kyra on Jan 12, 2010

Imagine if people had voted on the issue of slavery, back in the day. It would have lasted much longer.
The day will come when gay people aren't treated like freaks. I hope it's sooner rather than later. My heart breaks for the kids in middle school and high school who know they're different in a society that is contemptuous of homosexuals. Isn't life hard enough?

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Posted by Kelly, a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 4:25 am

As the trial to repeal Proposition 8 moves on in court, I continue to see comparisons to racial struggles I can't help but think that these people are over glorifying their cause, homosexuals have not faced discrimination on the same level as those who face racial discrimination and if the current social trends continue it is unlikely they ever will.

Homosexual advocacy groups are creating a false comparison between racial intolerance and discrimination against homosexual people. As a interracial African-American I feel homosexual people have not faced challenges and discrimination on the level of that which African-Americans and other minority groups have faced. Of any groups who have felt discriminated against as a whole, homosexuals are not kept out of public education, for the most part their jobs are secure and they have never been enslaved because of their sexual orientation.

I will forever be a African-American, there is nothing I can do to change that (nor do I ever want to). Homosexuals on the other hand have the option of keeping their sexual identity their own private business or not and they should appreciate their ability to control that because this is an option victims of racial discrimination have NEVER had and it's totally outrageous they try to compare the two!

I have never in my life heard of gays being systematically taken onto ships and brought to be sold as slaves in this country! Nor have I EVER heard of any gay person ever being denied the right to vote or hit with water from firehouses because they were lined up to register to vote! I have NEVER seen a bathroom labeled 'gays only' or ever heard of gays being told to go to the back of the bus. This is completely ridiculous and total slap in the face to those of us who left school and work to march for REAL Civil Rights for African Americans. Homosexual advocates MUST stop using this term. It's offensive to me as an African-American. PLEASE stop comparing it to the struggle of African Americans for real Civil Rights to this push to force acceptance of the gay lifestyle on all Americans. That's just unacceptable.



Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 8:13 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Wow, just wow. So someone has to earn their "real civil rights" through harm and suffering before they have street cred?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 8:25 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Did this kid earn his real civil rights? Web Link


Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 15, 2010 at 8:25 am

Kelly,

You ever been to Africa? How about your parents? Your grandparents? It is all a bunch of BS and just an excuse for being a failure. The black leadership in this country, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc. have told you that you are owed and as a result who is better off? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc. There are no similarities between homosexuals and blacks. The homosexuals are not asking for a handout but rather are trying to express in their view their constitutional rights. Get over it.


Posted by Carlos, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 15, 2010 at 9:36 am

Kelly, don't worry about these people running their mouth. You are absolutely RIGHT on everything you said. It makes things much easier for a group when they latch onto a bigger established group that has already had some success.
Instead of the entire state fighting over "right to marry", we should be fighting poverty, homelessness, uninsured health issues, unemployement, school budgets, government corruption..ect...There are countless issues to deal with before we worry about whats on top of a marrige license for a fraction of those who apply for one.
It really worries me where our priorities are, as a state.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 9:46 am

Stacey is a registered user.

It wasn't right when it was done to African-Americans. It still isn't right when it is done to another group regardless of the difference in experience. That's what equal protection of the laws means.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 9:52 am

Stacey is a registered user.

It is amazing to me this idea that the treatment received by homosexual people is justified because their experience in discrimination so far hasn't reached the same level of that of another group!


Posted by Carlos, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 15, 2010 at 10:07 am

"treatment received by homosexual people is justified because their experience in discrimination so far hasn't reached the same level of that of another group"
So far?? Lets not go too far up crazy street. That was Kelly's point. Denying someone a Marriage license will NOT lead to lynchings and hangings. It will never be OK (regardless of prop 8) to kill and own any gay person. The gay marriage debate DOESN"T lead down that road, and you just confirmed Kelly's point by insinuating that. I'm white, and it offends ME when the two are compared.
PS I have always been a big fan of your Stacey! It is a pleasure to "amaze" you and debate something with you. We are usually on the same side of the fence.
Good day.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 10:56 am

Stacey is a registered user.

In other words, there has to be wide-spread lynchings before gays can earn the right to gain civil rights.


Posted by Carlos, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm

No other words needed, the two issues are not connected. The African-Americans past tragedies were horrendous. Some find it offensive to compare the two topics. One side is being denied a piece of paper and local recognition, and the other faced 400 years of ownership and brutal extermination.
The gay/lesbian advocates should argue their point without comparing the two. (my opinion) That is like comparing a fatal car accident to the genocide in Darfur. Both involve death, but they are two completely different issues.
Can I ask why so many people care about gay marriage? There are SO many more issues, that are SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT ...State budget, local schools, government corruption, health care, unemployment...Why can't people but their money and efforts into more important issues first. Then if theres time after...then worry about a licensing issue.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 12:30 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

In other words, only after 400 years of ownership and brutal extermination can homosexuals hope to gain a piece of paper.

The question regarding other issues being more important is a common avoidance tactic. What is more important than ensuring Constitutional protections?


Posted by Carlos, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm

Stacey, Stacey, Stacey... We can just agree to disagree since I can't stop you from comparing the two. You can go ahead and call it an "avoidance tactics" if you disagree with me that there are MORE PRESSING issues at hand. You call it a Constitutional protection and I call it a licensing problem. But, what if the government grants all of the issues regarding gay marriage, tax issues, hospital visitation, insurance issues, everything except the title of marriage, would that be an adequate compromise? Is there no compromise in this situation? And I have to ask, can your side even loose. I mean, if the courts decide that the people voted and gays can not marry, will it ever be over. What if Prop 8 stands? You guys expect pro prop8 people to say "oh well, we tried, guess we loose...time to move on now". Well, can I ask that of anti-prop8 people. Will it ever end...so we CAN move on to more important issues?
still a big fan Stacey ;-} Just had some time on my hands and thoughts in my head. No disrespect intended.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 15, 2010 at 4:46 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Carlos,

No disrespect taken. :) Discrimination against x group is nothing more than discrimination, not a comparison of group x to group y. The characteristics of the groups do not matter. The law says we have to provide equal protection of the laws to anyone, regardless of their group membership.

I don't know about what other Prop. 8 opponents think. I don't think it is right to say "time to move on" as a proof for an argument. Justice is not obtained in that manner.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jan 15, 2010 at 8:59 pm

There are thousands upon thousands of African Americans, Asians, Native Americans, Latinos, Biracial and White folks who have suffered enormous discrimination because they are Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender. They have also suffered discrimination because of their race/ethnicity. And, the perpetrators of the violence, physical and psychological, have also been at the hands of people who are also the same color/race/ethnicity. It's a free for all.

Kelly is running off at the mouth and pretending that he/she has suffered more than anybody on the planet and now he/she wants a Badge for his/her ordeals or else you are going to trash other citizens who have suffered equally or more. Grow you big baby.

Who cares if you think that you're the only person who has suffered discrimination? NOT ME. You're so full of distortions that I would like to suggest that you contact a Black psychiatrist to help you through your crisis. I wouldn't even be surprised if you've been on the down lo with a poor African American person. Right? tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

Now grow up and have yourself a nice bowl of mom's nice warm soup! ta-ta




Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jan 15, 2010 at 9:11 pm

Kelly, are you related to Henny Penny? hmmmmmmm...? Are you racist?

It's gonna be a long wait for your Ordeal Badge...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

signed,

Suffragette in Struggle


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