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Media seeks right to televise Prop. 8 proceedings in SF federal courtroom next month

Original post made on Dec 22, 2009

A coalition of television networks and newspapers asked a federal judge in San Francisco Monday for permission to televise next month's trial on the constitutionality of California's same-sex marriage ban

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Comments (23)

Posted by LN, a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 22, 2009 at 8:31 am

I have a positive feeling about this hearing being televised. Maybe this will allow people on both sides of the issue to have exposure to the other sides perspective. Perhaps people will gain a better understanding of the consitutional rights that are at issue, rather than continuing to base their opinions on emotion or religous views. Regarless of personal opinions as to the "right or wrong" of gay marriage, the heart of this issue is constitutional and not emotional.
I'm looking forward to watching this with an open mind and heart.


Posted by Nosy Neighbors, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 22, 2009 at 9:24 am

Let's just hope that this doesn't turn into a full blown circus act with both sides playing the roles of either the bible thumping, fire & brimstone quasi-religious right vs. the motorcycle leather, ass-less chap wearing crowd & angry bull-faced lesbians.

There is so much vitriol & anger being spewn by both sides of this debate that the prospect of a television audience could just possibly bring out the worst possible reality TV like mentalities. It sure would make for entertaining viewing but accomplish virtually nothing for their respective causes.


Posted by SteveP, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:18 am

SteveP is a registered user.

Sexual and social deviants on parade on TV.....this could be better entertainment than watching cartoons. The 9th Circus court once again leads the way....away from traditional constitutional proceedings.


Posted by Terry, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:20 am


I remember a time when we a vote of the majority ruled. Now days the Gay Agenda goes shopping for a Judge in the 9th circuit or some other Court


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:33 am

What makes America GREAT! is our courts. I look forward to hearing the arguments.

Does anybody know who the attorneys are for both sides? It will be fascinating viewing.

VIVA AMERICA! VIVA!


Posted by Dominic, a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:35 am

First of all, by far the extreme anger on this issue has come from the Prop 8 opponents who continue even after a majority vote of the people continue to push their values on the rest of society.

Also this is not an equality issue as the prop 8 opponents have used to garner support for there agenda.


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:36 am

Well, if that's the only way you see gay people, then no wonder this country is so messed (edited by Pleasanton Weekly) up. You are probably friends with some regular gay people are don't even know it because they don't fit your narrow-minded stereotype.


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:38 am

All for tyranny I see as long as it goes your way. I hope you don't find yourself on the other end of that at some point.


Posted by Bob, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:01 am

Yeah, majority rule! Like in the 1960s when the majority of the population was against interracial marriage!
Oh, wait....


Posted by LN, a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:48 am

Terry,

Do you think it's appropriate for the majority to force it's opinion on the minority simply because they're the "majority." I'm married to a hispanic man and I'm white. There was a time when the majority would have ruled that I not be allowed to do this. If the majority can vote to deny rights to any minority, then the majority can vote to deny your rights too. The majority should never be allowed to deny any one rights that they themselves enjoy.


Posted by Miguel, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:48 am

I listened to the last arguments before the California Supreme Court. The legal perspective on issues and its subsequent display in open court was a fascinating event. America is a country of law, the courts are the one element that lift it to a level of civility that few nations in history have achieved. I want to hear the arguments in court ... see how they play out and know that our system of law is the one thing that keeps us arms length from gun-slinging cowboys taking the laws in our own hands.


Posted by ln, a resident of Valencia
on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:54 am

Bob, great point. The majority may have a louder voice, but that doesn't make them right. We can look into the history of the nation and even our own state to see that we have allowed majority opinion to deny rights of fellow community members on too many occasions. Anyone ever hear of Manzanar? How about Asains being denied the right to own property in California or Indians the right to stake gold claims.

I would like to think that these denail of rights could not happen again. Any right that is afforded to some of us, should be afforded to all of us.

Has anyone ever heard of the veil of ignorance? Basically it means to view the situation as though you didn't know anything about the people. If you didn't know someone was male, female, black, white, etc... would you deny them them a particular right. In this case, if two people are going to get married, all you would know is that "two people are getting married", gender would not be an issue, only that those two people, like ALL other people have the SAME EXACT right to marry.


Posted by LN, a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:02 pm

To Nosey Neighbors;

I agree that there will be extremists from both sides present during the hearings; however, they will be outside of the court not inside of the court.
It will be unfortunate if all everyone gets to see is the media circus on the outside of the courthouse, rather than the legal proceeding going on the inside of the courthouse.
I hope the right to televise is granted.


Posted by Jim, a resident of Oak Hill
on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:28 pm

When did the definition of majority include "being correct". We have a history of the majority being incorrect. Just look at some of the people we have elected (on both sides). If at any particular time in history, the majority could have our legal system no stronger than a wet noodle. The Constitution and courts have attempted to keep the whims of people, politics, religion, economy and war from making "the law" into today's vogue. Even if the court rules in favor of the people who voted for Prop. 8, I am confident that the up coming generation of voters will reverse the law when they become the "majority".


Posted by Dave, a resident of San Ramon
on Dec 22, 2009 at 2:28 pm

I am a simple man, married, with children. Can't we all (the world and its citizens) just get along. If a couple, married or not, gay or not, are tax paying citizens, why can't they enjoy the same financial rights as myself. This hurts no-one and costs no-one anything additional that my wife and family are able to reap (home ownership in joint name, medical insurance, life insurance and the like). The problem all started when a politician decided that we needed to vote on such a thing. Stupid.


Posted by SteveP, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 am

SteveP is a registered user.

So, it sounds like from 'ln' and 'Dave's' comments that you are promoting an 'anything goes' type of standard for our society as a whole. Is that really what you want, keeping everyone's best interests in mind?
Think hard about what you may have learned in history about the fall of the Roman Empire. The immoral and permissive society you promote will be the downfall of our civilized society.
Thankfully, you do not speak for the majority.


Posted by Dominic, a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 23, 2009 at 10:41 am

First of all what makes our country great is not the law, it is the balance of freedom for the people balanced by the law which is why we are a Repiublic not a Democracy. Currently many liberal lawmakers, judges, do not enforce the law, they use their interpretation of it to advance their view, this is not only wrong, it was not the intent of the people that created this great country and our constitution.

Gay marriage is not a right. It is a homosexual value being pushed on the rest of society. Their are gay people who don't believe the basic fabric of marriage in all societies (not just ours) should not be changed. This is not about rights and it's not about stereotypes, it's about values...Gays have the same rights as non gays, they just can't marry and nor should they be allowed to...

People that are fooled into believing this is about rights are either not thinking clearly (being influenced by what sounds fair) or have a broken moral compass. Morality contrary to what college teaches is not relative.






Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm

what college are you referring to?

let me suggest that we wait and see...the suit may be argued on Court TV and it may not.

lets just all jump on the xmas buggy and have fun...and, if you want to see girls dancing without any clothes on, then join stevenson and joleen...you can peek all you want in the dark...wear your raincoat...

for those of you who want to have the right to be pushed around, so be it..

now, don't you all feel better? rights and joe and joleen being one and the same...who cares?


Posted by John, a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Jan 2, 2010 at 5:33 pm

I am really sick and tired of all you "straight" people calling us gays "sexual deviants" and condemning us to hell.

I am a gay white male partnered to my partner now for 25 years. I am 45 years old. Our partnership has endured over time; We have been a loving faithful couple and are good decent productive members of society. We are both college educated, have worked for many years for top companies across the US and now have a small business of which we are proud and successful.

Many of you talk about denying us rights based on your religious beliefs or because of your unfounded belief that we want to corrupt your already corrupted children. This is patently ridiculous. None of my friends nor my partner and I care about your children. They will be what they will. We dont want them taught about being gay in schools. They will learn that from their friends, family and society just the way we did. No one gave me a gay instruction manual.

I have lived in this town for 4 years now. I was very disappointed to see the supporters of Prop 8 standing on the roads spewing their hatred. I expected more from a town like Pleasanton. It is sad to see that so much hatred and fear exists here among people that are allegedly educated. Their fears are based on ignorance and their hatred,well, I can only imagine what other hate lives in their hearts. To deny people who love one another the right to live their lives is not only deplorable but it is inhuman.

I dont expect to change anyone's mind here. As soon as I can move from this town I will. I think the behavior of my neighbors has been shameful and despicable.

You should concentrate on how to rebuild the institution of marriage among straight people before tearing it down for gays. We will not destroy marriage. You are doing an excellent job of that yourselves with your divorce, and infidelity. When your own house is on fire, you try to save it. You dont burn down the neighbors house in spite!


Posted by Andrew, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jan 2, 2010 at 5:36 pm

Straights dont have the right to tell us what our rights are. What is this 1950s cross burning?

I think the same people denying gays the right to marry would be the same people burning crosses on black people's lawns.

What are you protecting? Embarrassed that gay people may actually get marriage right and embarrass the straight folk?


Posted by Pete R., a resident of Castlewood
on Jan 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm

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Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Jan 3, 2010 at 12:04 am

Dominic-

You are so wrong. Who is forcing you to be a homosexual? There is nothing being forced on you. That is your homophobia talking.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jan 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm

patience mes petites, patience...the us supreme court will soon decide the issue of gay marriage...i think that the us constitution will trump Prop 8! tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

the fed trial is starting today...it's gonna be a bumpy ride...hang on to your wigs!!!

can we all just get along?


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