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Now why would Obama throw the dalai lama under the bus for the Chinese?

Original post made by Rita, Downtown, on Oct 6, 2009

President Obama cancels meeting with the spiritual leader until such time as he meets with the Chinese leader.



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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 7:08 am

Well the spin is starting early this morning, isn't it?
"Throw him under the bus?"
Read the article *you* posted:
"You only get one chance to start this the right way," Douglas Paal, a former senior Asia adviser for presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, said of Obama's relationship with Hu.
Obama must balance his efforts to develop ties with China with his desire to support the Dalai Lama. He also needs to overcome harsh criticism by those who feel his administration is not doing enough to push Beijing to better address human rights complaints.
Obama recognizes that how he treats the Dalai Lama will be watched closely — by Beijing, by U.S. lawmakers and voters, and by other world leaders who have been castigated by China for meeting with the Dalai Lama.

The Dalai Lama's envoy, Lodi Gyari, played down the situation, saying there "has been no question of President Obama not, at the appropriate time, meeting His Holiness." He said Monday in a statement that the Dalai Lama, "taking a broader and long-term perspective," agreed to the postponement in the hope that a cooperative U.S.-China relationship will help resolve Tibetans' grievances.
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Posted by Love the Spin!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 8:16 am

Love the spin that Stay Cool is already doing... Anything to protect Obama the God, our Savior! It makes the dump in Milpitas or the Pleasanton sewage plant smell like roses!


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Posted by Michael
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 6, 2009 at 8:24 am

Love the Spin!,


Yes you are correct. Stay Cool is a true believer and a certified member of the order of Obama disciples. I believe he walks around all day humming "mmmmmmmm mmmmmmm mmmm, Barack Hussain Obama mmmmmmm mmm mmmmmm!"


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 8:48 am

So I post a quote from Rita's link and *I'm* the spin doctor. You guys are really incredible. And I mean that in the literal sense of the word.
Congratulations, though - your insults are only slightly less sophisticated than your overall grasp of the facts.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:09 am

Human Right's Issues in Bejing? Please, China wants to know why they should continue to buy US debt.


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Posted by Love the Spins!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:26 am

Medicinal marigolds are really hot sellers these days!

To Stay Cool, what facts don't I or anyone cannot grasp? Obama can see the Pope but not the Dalai Lama because he is afraid of angrying China and wants to build the relationship. If he respects human rights, he should be forceful to China about their clear (and documented) violations! Oh yes, Obama, the mighty Alah, can do no wrong and he is good for everyone, even if he has to go it alone (like the Healthcare!)! We read that he is going to Congress to consult on Afghanistan (just like "W"!) while our brave soldiers are dying because of his indecision and his political image. What a Commander-in-Chief. Maybe Hillary would have been better as Commander-in-Chief! Not sure what facts I don't grasp!


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:41 am

1. You keep confusing Obama with a religious figure.
2. The situation with the pope is obviously different than the situation with A) the Dalai Lama and B) our entanglements (esp. given our *own* economic state) with China. And if he did ignore that fact people would be outraged with that.
2. He is hardly alone on healthcare.
3. Our brave soldiers are dying because of the abandonment of the efforts in Afghanistan in favor of a war with Iraq, not because of Obama's indecision. Our military was stretched too thin and left unsupported, and the efforts were unsustainable. He is trying to extract our soldiers from Iraq and determine a better course of action in Afghanistan. I posted on another thread regarding how Obama is appropriately following the military chain of command, here it is again:

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"Unlike the chattering classes, senior military officers didn't raise an eyebrow when General Stanley McChrystal recently said he had only spoken once to President Obama since assuming command in Afghanistan. The military chain of command is there for a reason, and Obama seems to be sticking to it more faithfully than President George W. Bush did. But tensions are inevitable as the troop needs of U.S. commanders on the ground come up against the reservations of a political leadership increasingly leery of being trapped in an Afghan quagmire."


"The military chain of command is a strange beast, rarely understood by civilians. But it's sacrosanct inside the military, which is why President Bush caused heartburn among many in uniform when he began regularly communicating directly with Army General David Petraeus, directly with Army General David Petraeus (who the New York Times reported was diagnosed with early-stage prostate cancer in February while serving as chief of U.S. Central Command), then leading the surge of nearly 30,000 additional U.S. troops in Iraq. That represented a short-circuiting of the chain that ought to have passed through Gates and Admiral William Fallon, then chief of Central Command, and raised concerns that Bush was ignoring a military hierarchy critical to the smooth functioning of the civilian-military relationship and of the military itself."


"As Commander in Chief, the President is forced to strike a balance between his generals' combat needs and what America is prepared to commit. No President wants to send more young men and women into harm's way than is necessary, but nor can he afford to ignore what his on-the-ground commanders tell him they need in order to prevail. Many in the military deem political pressure to keep troop numbers down a form of betrayal that could risk American lives, and no general has ever asked for fewer troops, more slowly delivered, while waging war. But civilian control of the military remains paramount."






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Posted by Love the Spin!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:49 am

You are good at the SPINS!

Remember who is in charge of the Afghanistan war. It is a coalition not U.S. alone! That's the strategy! That's what American wanted! So, don't blame this one on Bush and give all the credits to Obama!

The indecision of the Commander-in-Chief is costing brave American soldier lives. That's the FACT. The plain fact is that Obama has to go back on his word and the fact the situation in Afghanistan is going south is not a surprise (the military knows it, the advisors know it, so does the President!) He needs to spin it so he can win re-election!

Stay Cool, I can use the same words from your mouth for everyting that Bush did. So, let's spin it anyway we want.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 11:14 am

What are you even talking about? I didn't mention Bush, you did. He was mentioned in the article I posted as was relevant to the subject of the article, not by me. We are discussing our involvement in the war as a country, not the coalition overall.
You make statements and call them facts (or FACTS). I investigate claims and present information. You can use the word "spin" as many times as you'd like, but I don't see you offering anything other than your opinions.
Everyone knows the situation in Afghanistan is going south. Obama knew it when he was running for office, which is why he campaigned on the idea of bolstering support for our efforts there. So he doesn't have to go back on his word at all.
This is getting boring.


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Posted by Love the Spins!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2009 at 11:41 am

It's getting boring! no new 'facts', just rehash...


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