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on Oct 5, 2009
The Pleasanton City Council better not be getting any similar ideas. I am definitely a proponent of protecting he environment, but many environmentalists are completely over the top now. Banning plastic bags has some merit, since people are doing a lousy job of recycling them,they are creating a big polution problem, and they are larely made from petroleum. Paper bags, on the other hand, are biodegradable, are made from a renewable resource, and they have many uses within the home (not the least of which is dealing with the new trash sorting that has been foisted upon us). We don't through out a single paper grocery bag that has not been used for a needed purpose.
So, here's a message to the Leftie Mayor and City Council. You try to ban paper grocery bags in Pleasanton and that is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back - you will get voted out.
another social engineering program by the radical "green" crowd. those single-use bags are not single-use in my household. they become trash can liners, bags to carry items to friends, hold wet swimsuits/towels from beach/pool, etc., etc. Hundreds of uses and we pay the cost at the store when we buy groceries. Let BayROC go mind their own business and find new markets for recycled items from the waste mgmt companies and stop trying to social engineer our behavior and preferences.
If the environmentalist really want to protect the environment they would emphasize population control and shutting down immigration. They don't do this because their real agenda is left-wing politics, with their dream being control of the masses by a priviledged ruling class. Its all about control. It would not surprise me if the next thing on the enviro-Nazi's checklist will be controlling how much poop you can flush.
Come on, Pleasanton. If the Ding-Dong Mayor and the Council even think of passing something like this its time to rise up and swat them down. If its even mentioned at Council, show up by the hundreds and let them know we have had a gut full of the enviro-kooks. San Jose passed this because their Mayor is an environmental lawyer. We don't want our Ding-Dong Mayor even thinking about trying it here.
How about they recycle some enviromentalists into compost. Maybe they'll come back as daisies.
It is really getting to be time to get out of California. It truly is the land of nuts.
Yes, the land of nuts - as evidenced by the posts above.
Wait, wait - this is the best one:
"They don't do this because their real agenda is left-wing politics, with their dream being control of the masses by a priviledged ruling class." And that starts with banning disposable shopping bags! I can feel the power already! AAAAAARGH!!
I am embarrassed and disappointed to say I live in based on the comments above. Nice threats to our city government.
Personally, I cannot stand all the plastic bags that I get when I shop so I remember my own.
The posts at the top of this discussion forum are an excellent example of the insidious branding and marketing the right wing has done to position many progressive policies like "recycling" as some evil plot by "Enviro-kooks" and "Left wing Lunatics" to control the world. Since when is it a bad thing to want a clean planet to leave to our children? Since when is it a bad thing to want to breathe clean air and drink clean water? To those posters who claim they "re-use" plastic bags, great!, but where do those bags end up once you have re-used them? Eventually they end up in a landfill.
C'mon people, is it really that hard to keep a few canvas grocery bags in your car to use when you go shopping?
Really?! Plastic and paper bags are the "straw that breaks the camel's back?" Seriously?
While I agree our elected officials' time is better spent on identifying ways to address the effects of the economy on our local community, I don't see this issue as being as apocalyptic as some of the previous posts make it out to be.
As I recall, the reason we have plactic grocery bags is because the environmentalists convinced everyone that we were killing too many trees using paper bags. The plastic bags were more eco-friendly. Well are they or aren't they? They are labeled as recyclable yet PGS doesn't accept them in the new recycle container. More misguided or inept government policies and programs driven by special interests.
Well, I read 8 intelligent comments and 3 from foolish dreamers. Yes plastic bags have become a real problem...but Kraft bags..no way a problem. I don't believe anyone throws their paper bag in the garbage. Don't let the your city officials BS you...remember what I said about the Fire Chief and the retirement cost and who gave it to him...it's those same self serving nice fools in your City council. Wake folks they playing with there own game rules. I am happy to live in Alamo, that's why we votes for NO New Town Of Alamo. Thanks Julia from unincorporated Alamo
San Jose has NOT banned plastic or paper bags. They voted to do an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) on the issue, that's all. They are not permitted to ban bags until after that EIR has been completed and certified. Then they are required by law to consider it. Then they can decide whether to adopt an ordinance banning bags.
We threatened to sue them if they passed a ban without first doing an EIR and they backed off.
This is more sloppy media reporting, misinforming the public.
@ Julia- Huh? Did you read your post before sending it? A few questions for you: what are "Wake folks"? Are these people who ride wake boards? If so, what do they have to do with the paper or plastic issue? What does the Fire Chief and no new town of Alamo have to do with paper vs. plastic? Color me confused.
I am for saving the environment but lets not get carried away! Putting paper bags on the list? What are those people smoking - both the environmentalists and SJ city council!?! I know! Their own careers and the SPLASHY Headlines to advance their own agendas! Next Governor of CA? Let's all go back to chipping on stone tablets. Oh, we can't... we are destroying the environment with removing too much natural material... Let's build a fire to keep warm... We can't... it will pollute the environment... Let's die of weather exposure... No, we can't... it will pollute the ground water...
The point is we can't do anything without hurting something else... let's work together to develop technology to address issues... banning this and banning that is the the solution...
Isn't wonderful the city council has time to waste? Banning plastic bags is not the city's biggest problem. On the side of protecting the environment. The city makes many decisions to ruin the environment like not dredging the waterwalls because of the drought which in effect caused the salmon to die. In affect, murdering a population, it will take years if not decades for the salmon numbers to come back. Oh, by the way there are other ways in which the city to could help the environment. They are looking for a quick fix.
They really should try walking to work, or skating to work like the cone city worker who roller skates to work. Also, they should invest in solar panels for their own home and have worked that into their plans for the new city buildings. This actually helps wastes and the environment much more than the sily plastic bags idea.
Oh, did they notice, paper is made from lumber alot of paper bags have already been recylced and are still are able to be recycled. Here's another one lets do away with plastic diapers and go back to cloth diapers. This should help the environment. What do you say?
I use plastic bags for many things other than my purchase. The dress bags go over suits and dresses to protect them. I line my garbage pail so it won't be a cause of negative stinch and other formiable bacteria. I also use it to bring my detergent to the cleaners. I can use it to bring food for lunch, potlucks, and other places. If something is wet I can stick it in the bag. Here's another one, it hasn't rained in some time, I also used it for a cover over my head to keep my head from becoming wet. Oh, what are we going to do with large purchases of many items, like clothes, buying for food for a family of five for a week. San Francisco many think it's fashionable. It isn't. They have so many ways to reduce waste in that city. They refuse to do many of them because of cash.
The city has to create jobs, put people away for the real crimes they commit, put Dolares Carr on notice, and stop people from using other peoples work history as their own.
Simply put this is the easiest way for the city to look good.
My family uses the paper bags from stores as garbage bags. We have one under the sink, toss our trash in it, and then place the bag in the garage bin outside.
People did use to say things like using plastic is better because we are cutting to many trees down, but in reality paper or plastic are equally "bad" things. If either paper or plastic are recycled, people seem to forget about the energy and pollutants that are put from factories recycling these products. The best bet is to use the reusable bags but then I've also heard about some of these bag containing chemicals that make some people sick. It seems to be a situation where no one is pleased. Maybe cities that are passing these bans want all of us to move away, live off the land, and live in a yurt.
We were in Europe last summer, and some places charged for bags. So if you did not bring your own, you could still get bags (even plastic), but it was not cheap. So very quickly we got a few canvas bags and carried them all over, just like we do here at home.
There is no extra effort when you use your own canvas bags, but charging for bags was a little annoying, especially on vacation in foreign countries!.
Maybe stores should go back to rewarding customers who use canvas bags instead? I always use canvas bags at the store, but have never gotten reimbursed for it, yet the article talks about charging 10 cents per bag.
I agree that the hardest part would be remembering the bags..or enough of them. I always seem to buy more items than I planned to buy. I imagine it would become second nature over time. For now, I hope we continue to have options here in P-Town.
It take more energy and resources to make a paper bag than it does a recycled bag.Personally I use my own bags for the simple reason that they do not break and are much easier to carry.
For those of you interested....I am a foreigner who pays taxes and supports the schools with my time and effort. Many of you have told me the school would have a hard time without my efforts......
Hey "Color me Confused" or Curious which ever fits. Maybe you should lean how to read between the lines and you may learn something. "Wake Folks" are folks that ride wake boards, but in my post I left out the word "up". Learn how to read between the lines. The only thing those wake boarder's would have to do with the plastic issue is that while wake boarding they may get tangled up in all those plastic bags floating in the water. Well the Fire Chief issue was mentioned to target the fools in city councils and their crazy decisions...learn how to read between the lines. And regarding your final observation...we the people of Alamo voted NO NEW TOWN of ALAMO...the reason we voted it down was because we didn't want those same type of governing fools guiding our future.
Hey Curious, lean how to read between the lines, you may learn something.
BTW, can you read this...
It's alawys greneer on teh ohter sdie of teh fnece.
If you can, you should have been able to handle my previous post.
Have a nice day Curious
I am inspired by San Jose's forward thinking and will try to bring my own bags from now on.
Benjamin (and others), good for you bringing your own bags to the store. That's what my wife does...and if I only have a few items I don't use a bag. That's conservation and the government didn't even need to force us to do it! Exactly the way it should be.
Federal, state, and local governments are often inept and inefficient. Their involvement in our day to day lives should be minimal. Demand smaller government!
Neither paper of plastic is good. Here is a link showing the comparison. The 2nd link shows what happens to all those plastics bags and is quite disgusting. San Jose should be praised for what they are doing (not condemned), and I hope Pleasanton makes a statement and does the same thing. It really isn't that hard to go get a few reusable shopping bags, and do your part to make the earth a better place for us and mostly for our kids.
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