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Station to nowhere?

Original post made on Sep 21, 2009

Pleasanton residents who have witnessed the new West Dublin/Pleasanton BART station taking shape in the middle of Interstate 580 will have to wait another year for it to open. Transit officials are now saying the weldings of steel pieces to be used in the pedestrian walkways aren't up to standard.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Sunday, September 20, 2009, 7:37 AM

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Posted by Tom
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Sep 21, 2009 at 11:01 am

Look at the bright side. One more year before the invasion from the the thieves and creeps coming over the hill to the Mall.

Also this should never been built. Extension to Greenfield in Livermore was far more needed.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 21, 2009 at 11:17 am

If you're freaked out about the Street Preachers disrupting your peaceful surroundings, wait until the drug dealers arrive and hang out 24/7 in the parks and make Plutonia more unsafe. Families looking for a fun time will join you on weekends for free music, movies, religious services; pickpockets and more prostitutes + a rise in petty theft and violence...expect it. Plutonia is gonna look more like a, brown, black, yellow, lavender, white....

Build the transit and they will come.

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Posted by Chris
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2009 at 11:38 am

This station is the joke of the Tri-Valley. The city council saw dollar signs and the word "free" from the developer and they pounced. With the delay the city will have to ante up money to BART for not meeting projected revenue targets. Oops, not free anymore!

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm

This BART station should NEVER have been built in the first place. We all know the effort and money should have been spent with a station further out in Livermore. This would have solved so much more than a mall stop station. All that will happen when the new location does open is that it will slow down the transport on the line. Also, look at the condition of Bay Fair Mall - it's exactly what is to happen at Stoneridge. The folks with spending $$$ will now drive to Walnut Creek or Valley Fair to make purchases. The folks who just want to hang out in the AC or heat - will come out on BART. Who thinks this is a good idea. So, in the end this is an example of driving a square peg into a round hole.....the delays and cost just keep minimizing the effort being put into the entire project. Let's just put the current "hideous steel box" that is currently in place on a truck and move it into place in Livermore where it will at least help with traffic reduction.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 21, 2009 at 3:17 pm

I think that the real concern has more to do with racial/ethnic minorities and other poor people hanging out in Plutonia and not being able to control the influx or their attitudes and behavior. There will also be an increase in drinking, drugs for sale, prostitution, noise, violence, theft and more litter on the streets.

There may also be an increase in the number of day workers looking for jobs and all of them will be "illegals". If you hire them, they will return and the word is gonna get out and they will find the certain streets to hang out on so that drive by residents find them when they need a day worker and only want to pay slave wages. They will accept slave wages because they are hungry.

If the day workers are injured on the job, I'll do my best to inform that they can receive free medical care in the nearest ER.

If the drug dealers are connected to any of the Mexican drug cartels, they will not hesitate to fight with you if try to mess with their illegal activities. They are not afraid and they act out violently if they perceive danger to their person, imagined or real.

If the hang around the fort types are young, expect an increase in pedophiles looking for young friends.

Understand that the Catholic church might offer many of the "illegals" sanctuary which sometimes includes food, a place to sleep and other freebies.

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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Sep 21, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Some time ago I played golf with an Iron Worker that was scheduled to install the steel. He said he was tired of waiting around on the job site and decided to play golf - while drawing full pay...

Who said unions don't look out for their members...:)

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Posted by 2nd amendment citizen
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 21, 2009 at 5:49 pm

I also agree that i'm looking forward to the rise in car thefts and robberies that this great Bart stop will bring. Another reason i don't shop at Stoneridge anymore.

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Posted by Qwerty
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 22, 2009 at 12:28 am

How many times have we heard about robberies in the parking lot at Stoneridge Mall over the past year? What a waste of money to have two stations within the same town when others such as livermore are suffering from horrible commutes on 580.

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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Sep 22, 2009 at 1:20 am

I'm wondering why the good people in Livermore haven't sued BART...

Also, if BART can run to Silicone Valley, why can't it run to Livermore and on over the Altamont. Why can't our local politicians get some of this so-called "stimulus money" coming our way for an easterly extention...

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Posted by Big Deal
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Sep 22, 2009 at 7:57 am

They have been working on the 580 - 238 merge for 100 years and it's still not done. And you really want this state and the feds running your healthcare?

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Posted by Hermendez
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2009 at 1:48 pm

This project already slows down the line! one of the tracks is down through the construction zone. So trains that are traveling to Dublin/Pleasanton BART stop and wait for the outgoing train to vacate the tracks.
The problems with the welds are that the contractor made them without an inspector present which is required for bridges. Who's in charge here? didn't they hire professionals that would know these things?
So everyone seems to agree the station is unnecessary. many people feel the same way about the Oakland airport extension. It is total waste. It's amazing that in such times money is squandered in these ways.
If BART came to Livermore it could increase ridership. The amount of traffic I face to use BART robs the benefits. If I could avoid this traffic jam, I might actually commute on BART instead of using only when my car is broke down.

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Posted by Frankie
a resident of Foothill High School
on Sep 22, 2009 at 1:48 pm

They built the Oracle building, which is 10 times bigger, in half the time it took them to get the Bart Station built to the point it is today. What a joke.

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Posted by Sarah
a resident of Stoneridge
on Sep 22, 2009 at 1:50 pm

I wonder how many more decades until they build a new connector ramp from 580 west to 680 south?

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Posted by Rich
a resident of Jensen Tract
on Sep 22, 2009 at 5:24 pm

Tell me more about the robberies in the parking lot. I don't read the newspapers, any pointers to stories? I often park in the mall for a spell -- guess I should stop that?

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2009 at 5:47 pm

During the xmas holiday, many people sit in cars. They are scanning the big shoppers. They count on some shoppers to pack their gifts in the trunks of their cars and go back and shop until they drop. The theives then open the trunk, take your packages and wait for another shopper to filler up!

Watch out for purse snatchers all the time, they are looking for a woman or girls with a purse that is clearly dangling. They snatch and goooooooooooooooo!

Avoid completely anybody, man/woman or child begging for spare change. They often work in teams to distract you while somebody else does the stealing. Always works.

Don't give money to charities unless you know the charity.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2009 at 5:53 pm

Incidentally, all the wishing and complaining is not going to keep people from visiting Plutonia and building the BART station. There may be a BART station to Livermore, but Plutonia get theirs FIRST!

I forgot to mention that you can also expect that there will be an increase purse snatchers when BART is completed. What goes around comes around.

What happens to enclaves is that they get chopped up! That is what BART is going to do to Pleasanton...whatever...

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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 23, 2009 at 8:55 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

So... what exactly was the reasoning behind building this BART station?

Who asked for it? Who does it help? I honestly can't come up with a single benefit to having another BART station about a mile away from another one.

Methinks some political palms were greased with some financial lubricant.

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Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 23, 2009 at 10:00 am

At the time it was approved, many of us questioned this station, especially since Livermore has been paying towards a BART extension for years . . . and it looks like they've been pushed back again by the extension BART is pushing out towards Fremont. Makes no sense to me when, for years, the 2nd most congested strip of freeway in the Bay Area is on the 580 between Pleasanton and Livermore . . .

Here's one of the Planning Commission Staff Reports from 2007 on the high density multi use complex that was supposed to be going in. I'm not sure where it stands now, but note that the development group put in a chunk of the funding for the West station.
Web Link

Here's the funding agreement from 2005. BART was going to issue bonds . . . Web Link

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Posted by Curious
a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 23, 2009 at 10:06 am

@ Parent of Two - Apparently, this BART station was a public private partnership where most of the funding was to come from the private sector. The motivation of the private developers to pay for the station was to build additional retail and housing around the station creating a "transit village" ala Fruitvale station. When the economy tanked, the developers backed away from the project putting pressure on the public financing for the project.

So to answer your question, the project was driven by the developers, not the people, not the city, and not BART. Those parties were just lured by the dollar signs.

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Posted by westsider
a resident of Foothill High School
on Sep 23, 2009 at 10:08 am

Cholo, the Pleasanton Police Dept. will have a substation onsite in the development next to the new B.A.R.T. station.

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Posted by Jon
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm

RE: Tom's comment at the top. After first reading your comment, I questioned your intelligence. Why else would someone be so afraid of the possibility that they may actually have to face someone with a skin color other than white when they go to their precious mall. Then, you did me the favor of confirming your lack thereof. It's Greenville, not Greenfield. Check your facts, read a book and get out of your white bread neighborhood once in a while.

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