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Public employee spiking of retirements must be stopped

Original post made by Shirley, Country Fair, on Aug 25, 2009

A must read editorial today at www.ContraCostaTimes.com on stopping the practice of 'spiking ' to build up pensions from the $ 150K & 200K range into the $250K range. $100K retirements, plus benefits for low level jobs is bad enough as it is. Some great comments at the end of the article too. Some taxpayers haven't been paying attention and have allowed things to become very UNrealistic...without spiking ! The real world is the 'being competitive' they should be concerned with.

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Posted by Mary
a resident of Country Fair
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:30 pm

Here is the link.


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Posted by Dr, Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 25, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Thank you for sharing girls...signed, Cholo


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Posted by Nan
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 25, 2009 at 1:46 pm

We can only hope the enabling, co-conspiring officials that were part of this these last few years, will get their due in the next elections.....starting with this legislature, all the way down to local boards.


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Posted by Need to get a clue
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Aug 25, 2009 at 4:38 pm

Didn't the school district just engage in this type of activity by letting three terminated employees (not in the classroom)stay until their retirement packages could max out?
Sheesh, then didn't a group of well meaning folks in town raise money that went to pay for counselors and reading specialists (who actually work with kids)? Money was found to support people they found they really didn't need anymore instead of going to the kids?
As many people pointed out in previous posts what's going on here?

In the private sector those people identified for termination would have been shown the door, but in PUSD-land we host on-line raffles to provide for them.
No wonder the support for I Love PLeasaton was so tepid. Stupid is as stupid does.


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Posted by ch
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:49 am

As usual we can not count on school boards and others that oversee school districts to keep the kids first and foremost in their minds.

That is why I did not vote for Measure G. I had no confidence in the people who put this together (and used our tax payer money to run a special election!) to honor my kids. NO matter what passed, they would have NOT gotten 2 cancelled classes at Amador given back to them.

Now it seems that we have to watch every single public entity from robbing taxpayers. I'm exhausted keeping up with this graft.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

Capitalism invites corruption. I see nothing wrong with workers having a nice retirement package. Public servants work hard and deserve every penny that they earn. How come so many of you brag about being so well heeled and when somebody else joins your club, you get ticked off? I don't understand?

I do believe that children deserved the very best education that they can receive. However, if parents don't vote in favor of that, why are crying now? You had a chance and you muffed It's time to move.com!


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Posted by Johnny
a resident of Country Fair
on Aug 26, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Einstein was talking about this four months ago and listed all of our retirees at 50 on huge pensions. who get to retire at 50? what a joke.


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Posted by Terri
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 pm

Cholo, Pleasanton operated very well with VOLUNTEERS when I moved here in the late 70s... no rich, fat 50yr old retirees needed.
With all of Pleasanton's building restrictions and limits we're in pretty good shape...don't we have a 3 story limit ?? not to bad. Of course that was before Gov Moonbeam Jerry Brown in the 80s gave all of CA PUBLIC employee UNIONS....that's why NOW, 25 yrs later we suddently have this tremendous RICH retiree problem that is sucking our money away from the poor, our schools, our roads,....our state.
As all those retirees continue to receive GROWING retirements, ALONG with all the expanding NEW retirees ADDED to the current...exponential growth, the state has to collapse. Forget the poor, schools, roads, prisons, etc etc. etc. We have to feed the growing monster of expanding public employee UNION retirements. Time to get REAL !!!!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 26, 2009 at 5:37 pm

You have nobody to blame but yourselves. This happened on your watch...duh...

You know as well as I do that Volunteers do NOT make the world go round...hard workers do.

If you are all so well heeled and so cool and right all the time, you blew it this time!!!

Prove that the 50 yrs. olds are rich and fat. I've seen some very fat people in Plutonia and they are way under 20 yrs. of age...boys & girls.

It's too late to "get real". I suggest that you GET A GRIP, there is MORE TO COME!

Millions more "illegals" are going to arrive within the next decade, you might have to rent out a room so that they have shelter!




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Posted by Resident
a resident of Stoneridge
on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:37 pm

The article was not about school pensions... The guy who wrote the article is not "Einstein", I believe it's "Borenstein". He is hell bent on this topic, and it's getting boring... Is that all he can write about? It's the same thing week after week, he's beat a dead horse with this topic. Get this to the Grand Jury and let them deal with it.

Someone asked "who get to retire at 50?" Well, police & fire fighters retire in their 50's, generally after 25 years of service or more. Many have worn out their bodies in the line of duty. The stress of their jobs is very hard on their hearts. Many can not work in the same capacity as they did in their younger years, and can even be dangerous to have on the job as they decline in ability. If you want details, ask an orthopedist, physical therapist, surgeon, audiologist, cardiologist. I don't want a 65 year old man or woman helping me out of a burning building!

A lot of public employees pay into their retirement (which is then invested), from their own paycheck each pay period to the public retirement system. They take home less now, so they can fund their earlier retirement. There is a sacrifice today to do this planning for tomorrow. Everyone should be planning for tomorrow. Sadly if you chose a job with high pay, no retirement benefits, and stock options, you may have made a poor job choice if you relied on retiring with your stock options. You should have lived leaner and saved for your retirement. Private sector employees should not begrudge those that chose public service.

These employees do not get social security, even if they paid into it in jobs prior to their public service (how fair is that?)

People who choose public service do so because they want to help people, not because they think they are going to get rich. They work shifts when most of us would rather be sleeping, and they are just a phone call away anytime you need them. They are one of our greatest public assets. The great thing about many of these public service jobs, is that many people have or had the option to go into this line of work. I won't say most because there are requirements that not everyone can meet.

The spikers are the department chiefs (San Ramon & Moraga were mentioned), not the line employees doing the hardest work in the community. The Boards of Directors who approved the extra spikes are incompetent idiots who should have never ran for these positions. They should be disgraced. The Grand Jury should investigate and hold them and the chiefs liable to the public.

If you are mad about spiking pensions, complain to your board of directors, and stop blaming all public employees. I completely agree that the changed made to allow such spiking that occured should be stopped.

Lastly, if you are fortunate to be employed right now, your own wage is likely improved by the fact that unions make sure their members get a decent wage, and your own pay benefits when salary studies/comparisons are done with these public sector employees.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 27, 2009 at 6:51 am

Resident,

People work for the government because it is the easy way out, easy money and short hours, I would be willing to bet that being a policeman or fireman in pleasaanton is about as safe as you can get that is why there is a huge waiting list to get in. Einstein is just pointing out with logic the flaws of trying to support these lavish retirement programs in a declining economy. Why is California the only state with a 3 point system? Your unions in part have destroyed the California economy. Wise up


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Posted by Dr. Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 27, 2009 at 5:40 pm

I disagree. Unions work hard to protect their members from nasty, greedy and sick mgt. That is there job and they know what they are doing! Too bad some people are so bitter because they don't have a job or they know they're gonna lose theirs soon. Welcome to the world!

The Police and Fireman work HARD and it's creeps like you that minimize their contribution to making Plutonia a safer place. If you don't like their services, then go back to where your ancestors came from. Problem solved.

I think that people need to look harder for jobs and also be grateful for the generous benefits that they can collect because they are unemployed.

Now, tell me, what's like to have pretended for decades that you are cool because you live in Plutonia? Not cool now if you don't have a job is it? Thanks to "illegals", they will do the work for less money so things stay afloat.

If you have to whine, don't expect any heartache from me.

I think that all these problems with the economy are because of DOMA and Prop. 8. Had many of you not wasted your time and money depriving some citizens of their civil rights, "G_D would not be punishing you now...so get over yourselves and moveon.com".


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Stoneridge
on Aug 27, 2009 at 8:25 pm

Bob, since when is shift work short hours? I have a friend working a 96 hour shift right now due to staffing needs, and with the fires in Livermore and Santa Cruz last week, long shifts are common. Easy money, huh? On your job(s), have you been shot at? dealt with domestic violence, child abuse, car accidents (not fender benders, the grizzly ones where you can't get the gory image out of your mind of the kid who happens to be the same age as your own)? Sudden infant death-where you have to console a couple? I could go on and on. You have to be kidding if you think it's easy.

Yes, there is a list to get in, and that's how you get the best people. They have to pass a battery of tests to be considered. They have to pass a probation period, that is not just waiting for 3 months to pass.

These jobs are not "safe" in Pleasanton. When you go to an accident scene on a freeway in the rain, you can be killed trying to help someone, again, the list goes on and on. So you are mistaken. Perhaps you should request a ride along with a police officer or visit a fire station to learn more about what they do.

I only agree with you on one point, we can not support lavish retirement programs (in any economy). The point is not to get rich in retirement, but to have a comfortable one.

I don't know what a 3 point system is. The unions are not the problem, it's our government for outsourcing all our jobs to other countries, it's our fault for buying junk made in other countries when there is a comparable product made in the USA (what do we make here?). Send the illegals home and stop giving them everything like free health care. Don't let their children automatically become citizens because we let them be born here and paid for it for them. Teach our own children the value of work by letting them work the jobs the illegals are working at, rather than spoiling them with money for no work. You can thank illegals here and those abroad willing to work for meager pay, for your low salary and all that cheap chatcke garbage you can buy to decorate your house for every holiday, while you pollute the earth and support another country.

If the unions were strong enough, things would be better. I personally, am sick of the inflated ratio of pay that CEO's get compared to the workers. I don't have the statistic in front of me, but Europe seems to have this under control better than we do. And no, I don't want to move to Europe.


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Posted by bitsy
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm

and what kind of work do you or did you do Mr. Bob??? did your family have to be concerned about whethr you would come home again you need to take off your blinders


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