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Why You Should Read The Details of the Health Care Bill.

Original post made by Curious on Aug 11, 2009

This is a post of an anaylsis of the first 500 or so pages of the currently proposed Health Care Bill..do we need or want this...
Read on down for the #59 reference.

Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We,
as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress
without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the
items that are down right unconstitutional.

* Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
* Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
* Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits
you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
* Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for
you. You will have no choice. None.
* Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free
healthcare services.
* Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Health Card.
* Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all
individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
* Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community
organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
* Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to
participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
* Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare
Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
* Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services;
translation: illegal aliens
* Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up
Individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you
have no choice in the matter.
* Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial
review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private
insurers will be crushed.
* Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
* Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run
public plan. No alternatives.
* Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND
their families.
* Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer
the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
* Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not
offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
* Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare
(according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
* Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes
(Americans will pay for them).
* Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will
have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
* Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as
tax." Yes, it really says that..
* Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and
the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid
the same (thanks, AMA!)
* Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional
judgment, etc.
* Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private
healthcare industries.
* Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven
wheelchairs.
* Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
* Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems
preventable readmissions.
* Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that
results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
* Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in
healthcare companies!
* Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand
without government approval.
* Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words,
yet another payoff for ACORN.
* Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures:
i.e., rationing.
* Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans,
HMOs, etc.
* Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS
individuals.
* Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by
phone).
* Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior
Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior
Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
* Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills,
durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes
ahead of time.
* Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources,
guiding you in death.
* Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment;
government dictates how your life ends.
* Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment
as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life
plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
* Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at
end-of-life.
* Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
* Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for
ACORN.
* Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government
intervenes in your marriage.
* Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating
and rationing those services.

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On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security,
(will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY
counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age. $500
Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen
is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut
first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.

Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them to read
page 425 if they don't read anything else. Surely some of them have parents.



Comments (14)

Posted by Angy YOU, a resident of Foothill Farms
on Aug 11, 2009 at 9:44 am

Listen Up…

This has been posted at least 20 times here on the Weekly as well as several thousands of times across the internet and the language still remains grossly untrue!

This does seniors and others a major disservice! PLEASE don't say "prove" that this is untrue, because it has been spelled out a hundred times! You people thin Americans are total fools, with an inability to smoke out lies.

The generic jargon emphasizes the below, which is a very serious topic and this is totally untrue! You're diminishing your party and any causes they may have.

"On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security,
(will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY
counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age. $500
Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen
is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut
first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.
Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them to read
page 425 if they don't read anything else. Surely some of them have parents. "


Posted by Troll, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2009 at 9:52 am

Troll


Posted by Ben, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 11, 2009 at 9:55 am

Who is a Troll?


Posted by Troll, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2009 at 10:24 am

OP is trolling. Don't feed the troll.


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Aug 11, 2009 at 11:12 am

The original poster is absolutely right – every one of us should do our own research about health care reform bill and not depend on Forum postings telling you what is, or is not, included in the bill.

So, if you really want to know what the current version of the House Health Care Bill (HE 3200) says, take a look at the following link accessed from the Congressional website:

Web Link::

Keep in mind that there will probably be more amendments to this version before the House has a final vote, and then the Senate gets to play.

But in the mean time, maybe you'll be curious like I was and search the document for the word "mandatory" which the original poster says is associated with telling seniors how "to end your suffering (and your life)" and should be read even if you "don't read anything else". I used my browser's search function and found that the word "mandatory" DOES NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE in the document, and certainly not in Section 1233, titled "Advance Care Planning Consultation".

But, please, browse through the bill for yourself and make up your own mind!


Posted by Troll Alert, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2009 at 11:15 am

Troll Alert Tracking _ name Curious, name Angry YOU, name Ben, name Troll, name Billie


Posted by Seeking Info, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2009 at 3:22 pm

Take a look at Web Link for a scathing, point-by-point rebuttal of this list of these supposed details about the healthcare plan. Each point has the actual text from the proposed below it, so you can see the truth for yourself.

Bottom Line: ALMOST ALL THESE POINTS DO NOT ACTUALLY EXIST IN THE PROPOSED BILL!


Posted by Pablo, a resident of Downtown
on Aug 11, 2009 at 4:05 pm

At the end of the day you have over 70% of the population happy with their healthcare so these are the people speaking up and the politicans will cave and even if something passes it will be lukewarm and most of the politicans who vote for it will have an X by their names in next years elections meaning they are cooked.


Posted by West Side Observer, a resident of Oak Hill
on Aug 12, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Dear Seeking Info,

I hope you have paid-up health insurance because you have sipped the Kool-aid.


Posted by Linda, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2009 at 1:48 pm

Congressman McNerney is hosting a Telephone Town Hall on Healthcare this evening (8/12/09) @ 6pm. I tried the Pleasanton number...it was always busy so I called his Stockton office. You have to give your name and address and a phone number and they will call you at 6pm.


Posted by What Details?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2009 at 1:59 pm

OP,

What details? There aren't any.

They purposely left it vague so that when it gets handed off to the healthcare regulator, it will be too late.

The argument is settled: We don't want THIS bill. We don't want THIS kind of reform. The majority want REFORM, but not this kind. We want the regulation process that is under control opened up, just as the car insurance was. Now we see all kinds of competition within the car insurance industry, which has lowered costs to consumers. You can get the basic policy or one more expensive.

This is the point. We should also offer tax credits for the cost of the medical premiums. This is how things should be done.

If I want to remodel my kitchen, but I love the rest of my house, does it make sense to burn down the entire house to remodel the kitchen?

The majority of people are extremely satisfied with their insurance coverage. No one is happy with the cost.

Next step reform law suits.

If the Obama Administration really wanted to get something done, they would pass a bill with these two TRUE reforms, reform Medicare and prepare for the 74 MM Boomers who are retiring.

If Obama won't do these things that truly will make things better for everyone, then you do have to ask why. Why is he hell-bent on ruining the best medical care in the world?

You have to be willing to listen if you want the answer to that.


Posted by MB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2009 at 2:24 pm

To 'What Details?' You say "Why is he hell-bent on ruining the best medical care in the world?" The "best medical care in the world" is making our country BROKE!!! No, we DONT have the best medical care in the world, if so, we'd be rated #1 in the world, not #37 (or 38, whatever it is now)

"The majority of the people are extremely satisfied with their insurance coverage".... Apparently you've never been denied services like many people I know.

GET A CLUE!!!! All of you people are spewing mis-information instead of facts. Read the bills & learn something. FOX News has NO answers.

Also - to all of you referring to Obama as "Kool-Aid"... it's old already, extremely ignorant, stereotypical & offensive.


Posted by fact checker, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2009 at 2:32 pm

There is No one bill yet! Just a bunch of bills proposing a number of different things. If you have a specific concern now is the time to mention this to your representative. Nothing has been passed. The bills will be modified when they are marked up in committee.

Health care has more than doubled in the last ten years. It will continue to rise. We need to do something. In this country there is no reason why someone should not have basic medical care. We are smart and we are creative. There has to be a way. Anyone who has had to deal with insurance companies about anything even remotely out of the ordinary knows the cart is driving the horse. For some of us it can't get any worse.

Now is the time for your input. Avoid the hysteria. These town hall meetings that are meant to disrupt rather than encourage a conversation are counterproductive. Preventative care is better than emergency room care.


Posted by Pablo, a resident of Downtown
on Aug 12, 2009 at 2:33 pm

MB,

Now why do you stretch the truth to make your point? No one leaves the US to seek better care in another country but rather everyone comes to our country because we provide the best care imaginable. Don't believe me? Call Bellingham, WA general hospital and ask what percent of the patients are from Canada? They will tell you about 70%. Then call Vancouver Canada General Hospital and ask how many americans are there and their answer will be zero unless someone got injured in canada.

Secondly, nobody is ever turned away. If you do not have money or a job just go to the clinic on Santa Rita right next to Curves and the treatment is free with no wait. Stick to the truth.


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