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Original post made by Basketball Buff, another community, on Jul 10, 2009

My son has been attending the HS JV games at Fallon Middle School for the past few weeks and he was approached by this man saying he was a coach for a team called the argnauts or something...he was saying his program would be a great experience and challenge for my son and he would get great training...what bothered me was I sat near this coach last Tuesday and witness him getting into it with someother parents and also heard him yelling uncalled for things to the players.. not even sure what team he was yelling at.

Anyway I was told he was based out of Pleasanton .. we are from San Ramon and I wanted to get a few references or comments on how this program is...

Thanks

BBB

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Posted by Very Concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 10, 2009 at 7:37 am

Good job - vet the coach and the program. Don't discount your first impression.


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Posted by BB Player
a resident of another community
on Jul 10, 2009 at 9:14 am

We were suckered into his program and it was a terrible experience for my child...ask around before you make your decision...I am sure you will find many people who will back me up on this...


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Posted by Sports Fan
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jul 10, 2009 at 9:39 am

Finally someone is asking....

Run Basketball Buff Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Coach
a resident of Danville
on Jul 10, 2009 at 9:54 am

There are no Pleasanton player in this program except for 1 which is a close friend of the person running it. Calling him a coach will dis-credit the coaching code of conduct. Ask for a reference that has been with the program longer than 3 months.


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Posted by Angle
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 10, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Why would he be approaching you with all the local talent unless he isn't getting local business.

I think your first impression was right on.

I haven't heard anything first-hand, but I'd trust your observation over anything.

What possible reason would there be for him to be, "...getting into it with someother parents and also heard him yelling uncalled for things to the players..."

There, you answered your own question!

Good luck to your son!


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Posted by TI
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 10, 2009 at 3:05 pm

We looked into it a couple of months ago, but decided against it, as the feedback that we received was negative. Basically the other two parents said that their kids did learn some of the skills needed to play competitive basketball, but that the coach was at times "unbearable". Apparently his style is to scream and pressure the kids into playing well. It sounds like he might have some issues. Anyway, the two parents pulled their boys after their first year of playing for him. Hope this helps.


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Posted by Tim Kyle
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jul 10, 2009 at 4:54 pm

You will regret this decision if you decide to join this program. My son had a very bad experience with this so called "coach." You have to wonder why he cannot retain players from season to season.


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Posted by Basketball Buff
a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 13, 2009 at 6:58 am

Thanks for all the feedback...we kind of thought this guy was shady!!!

I will let the other families in my area that he approached know about this blog..

BBB


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Posted by Sorry Excuse
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2009 at 1:59 pm

This family should be ashamed of themselves....they feed off of kids who aren't that great at the game tell them they will get better and charge them left and right for jerseys, tournament fees and then they don't get playing time...my son was told that the more tournaments he joined the better he would get and not only that the more he would play as he got better, not the case at all. When I asked the coach and his wife about it they always told me to keep in the program so he will get better which I understand but when you keep going to practice and keep paying the fees and get to play time how are you going to get better basically it was a joke.

Yes this business is a very sorry excuse to make money off of innocent parents trying to give their children an opportunity to just play the game and get better.


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Posted by WYY
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 16, 2009 at 6:35 am

My personal experience with that "coach" has not been pleasant. He has been known to go to the Middle School Girls games and act like a crazy overbearing know it all parent. He coaches from the stands and has no respect for the game of basketball or the children who play it.


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Posted by Maybe
a resident of another community
on Jul 17, 2009 at 2:46 pm

I have joined this program and it has benefited my son.


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Posted by Been There
a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm

My son went to some workouts but we stopped going because my son is focusing on another sport. I have to say my son isn't a very good player. We could tell that he just wasnt as skilled as the other players who were there. The coach wasn't that bad. We left after a few workouts - my son just couldn't take all that conditioning.


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Posted by Team Player
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 4:04 pm

My son has worked hard and benefited from this program. It is not for the casual player but for one who is not afraid of conditioning drills, teamwork, and solid fundamental basketball. If your son/daughter wants to play competitive basketball, this program is one of the best around. If you want to play "for fun", stick to the city run programs.


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Posted by Real Fan
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jul 17, 2009 at 9:50 pm

My son has been going to the program with the Argonauts for just over a year. We have seen other players come and go. The coach does yell at players who are doing something wrong, and also yells for players when they do something right. His style is not for everyone, but it is very much the same as most high school, college, and yes, NBA coaches (and of course, AAU teams which is what he-s trying to build). The players also must sign a contract which shows their commitment to things like team play, grades, and respect for your parents and others. For those who can hack it, the program is extremely successful. As for the coach's personality off the court, he is quiet, kind and personable. As a fan, he turns into a different animal, and I could see him losing control---but he never has with the kids (I watch the practices).


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Posted by NOexcuse
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 10:01 pm

Sorry Excuse is a real whiner, but I know this program and NO ONE is promised anything other than if you work very hard, you will improve. YOU HAVE TO EARN MINUTES, like in any real team or real life. And do you expect your kid to get better by playing less? Some kids never get better: usually because they don't put in the work…did you think your kid could get better without practicing this stuff every day? Try learning anything without practicing


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Posted by Real Fan
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jul 17, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Coach, the majority of the kids in the program (including mine) are from Pleasanton, and most have been in it for over three months and like it. Where do you (coming from Danville) come across this bogus information? Is the "close friend" his son? [yeah his son does work out with the program] Others come from farther away, but that just shows it is worth traveling for…
Are you just a competitor trying lie to help your program steal kids away, "Coach?"


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Posted by Kev2
a resident of another community
on Jul 18, 2009 at 12:48 am

Why you people hating on this coach? Sounds like my old coach. He didn't let you get away with anything, you had to be serious about your game! You gotta really want it. No one else out there wanting you to get better, everyone was hating on you and keeping you down - this is the real life of an athlete. This coach was the only one who believed in me. I still remember my coach. He'd be up in the stands yelling like a crazy dude - but I knew he had my back. You all are lucky you got tough coach like this in Pleasanton. You don't have to go to Oakland or Richmond for a tough coach like that. I bet all the players coached by this guy runs circles around Pleasanton kids. You gotta get tough - San Ramon and Danville and Pleasanton - all those kids are spoiled. My kids are young but if this coach is still around, I'm gonna check out this coach's program.


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Posted by Basketball Mom
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 18, 2009 at 9:57 am

My son has been in the Argonauts program for over a year and though I have butted heads with this coach on many occasions his goal has always been the same - improve my son's skills.

Though I'm a strict mom, I'm not a fan of the yelling. On the other hand, there has been no other program (and I've been to many) who has developed my son like this program. The coach is very knowledgable and passionate about teaching the players strong fundamental skills. I have do my part: I talk to the coach if I have an issue, I keep my son focused, and my son works hard. I don't think people understand what that really means.

To answer Basketall Buff's question, I think this is the best program around for the money. I only recommend it to parents and players who are REALLY serious; be prepared to work your tail off . . . and if you realize you can't do it, don't blame the coach!


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Posted by MCGS
a resident of Harvest Park Middle School
on Jul 19, 2009 at 7:58 pm

We wre in agronauts when my son was 6th grade. My son didn't like it but our school coach told us to go. After we didn't go back we went to bears and some of the other players went to wildcats and sportstrong. We went to the Fallon games and we all hate that coach. He's yelling at his players all the time. But my son wants to go back because he got good there he thinks he won't make the freshman team. His players are really good they got to play alot. Bears is fun my son enjoying it. They told me Wildcats coach yells too but his playrs not that good. Maybe we go back but I dont' think so my son will be too scared.


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Posted by Ptown BB Mom
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2009 at 7:50 am

My son tried this program and from the first tournament we attended we knew that this was not a program we wanted to be invloved in. This coach although he may have some BB knowledge and his expectations for a great workout etc are very high, his downfall is he is a complete jerk to the kids...

Real Fan!!!!!!!!are you a fan of yourself? Seriously to compare this coach to HS,College or an NBA coach... get real what a joke. First off he was not asked back to coack Hart Middle school let alone HS, College or the NBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets be realistic here...after watching some of these boys play I do not believe any of them are college level players how much more the NBA!!!!


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Posted by Bottom Line
a resident of Country Fair
on Jul 20, 2009 at 8:28 am

Bottom Line...............

Guys a jerk .


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Posted by BB player
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2009 at 9:05 am

All this coach does revolves around his son...he will even put down players on his son's team to make his own son look better.

They need to learn how to support the whole team.


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Posted by Kev2
a resident of another community
on Jul 20, 2009 at 9:15 am

Bottom Line is that you guys who call this guy a jerk don't know anything. I got to play in college because of my "jerk" coach. people outside don't understand. You all are clueless as to what it takes. Your son won't get good with a "nice" coach, you are living in a fantasy world. Even if your kid makes the high school team, I bet your kids don't get minutes. Like I said you all are spoiled!


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Posted by Bottom Line
a resident of Country Fair
on Jul 20, 2009 at 10:08 am

Kev2

Regardless if he helped you to play in College he is still a jerk to others and it does not make it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats on your accomplishment but don't always think it was because if his pushing you, 90 percent of the time it is what you as an individual will do to get to where you want to be and if taking this kind of treatment is what you endured good for you.. you are amoung the 00000000001% to make it and take it......


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Posted by TDOG18
a resident of Avignon
on Jul 20, 2009 at 10:47 am

Kev2- just wondering what college did you play for?????


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Posted by Kev2
a resident of another community
on Jul 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm

ACU in Texas, not a big program but it was a great experience. Bottom line is my coach was the one who got me good, good enough to get me as far as I could. He's the one who taught me real basketball and if it werent' for him pushing me there's no way I would've played in college NO WAY. I wanted to give up so many times especially when he was on me yelling at me that I was soft.If my parents let me quit I would've regretted it all my life. I didn't tell my parents then but I KNEW I was playing soft I knew I could do better and I'm grateful my parent saw right through me and didn't let me quit. The % about kids making it would be higher if parents would realize that sometimes you have to push your kid to do their best. The parents in this guys program get it, they all telling you that it's not for everyone. So what if he's a jerk? If you don't like him don't join or quit. No need to hate.


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Posted by MM
a resident of another community
on Jul 26, 2009 at 12:06 am

BB player, if this whole program revolves around his son then why did he make a 6th grade team. That has nothing to do w/ his son. This is a great program that will benefit any serious player.


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Posted by Be a Parent
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 27, 2009 at 8:05 am

MM...

Isn't his daughter on the 6th grade team? If not maybe its because he has exhausted all the talent for his sons age group that he needed to put a 6th grade team together to keep his business. Maybe thats why..........but seriously who really cares at this point.. bottom line is no one has the right to treat people the way they have treated people..he may be good to some but to others he is not. They should take a step back and look at themselves and really evaluate what they bring to society. Plus they should look at themselves as parents and see what it is doing to their kids.. I feel sorry for the kids if people cant stand what the parent is doing I assume the kids have to endure this too...


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Posted by Motivated
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 pm

These parents have a choice on whether to stick with this program or to take the easy way out and quit. This program is only for the hard working and that is why their players are good and will have great success in their futures because hard work always pays off


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Posted by Motivate my ass
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 31, 2009 at 8:28 am

Yeah Motivated I think most the parents have made the right decision.. from what talent i've seen this coach has on his team they may be hard working but they aren't that good.

Don't get me wrong I hope those kids have the success they deserve especially if they put up with what they have to.


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Posted by GH
a resident of Dublin
on Jul 31, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Well, I have actally watched these players and they have great talent and potential. I also consider some as the best in the tri valley.


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Posted by BB Gamer
a resident of San Ramon
on Aug 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

GH did you actually play or coach BB because i'm not sure what kind of game you are watching to say they are some of the best in the Tri Valley, because if that is the case the Tri Valley doesn't have much talent out there.


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Posted by MB
a resident of Hart Middle School
on Aug 3, 2009 at 7:24 pm

GH is right. Hart MS were the Tri-Valley League Champs and Hart's MVP was this coach's son. At Hart, the starting point guard and starting center are in the Argonauts program. Way to go Huskies!


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Posted by BB Player
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 4, 2009 at 6:55 am

It does not take 2 players to win a championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by MB
a resident of Hart Middle School
on Aug 4, 2009 at 11:15 am

I didn't say that the 2 players won the championship, you don't have to be so sensitive. You said that these guys were not talented. My point is that they were on the championship team as starters. Plus the coach picked one of them as MVP of the championship team, so I'm thinking you don't know what you are talking about when you said they aren't that good. They are pretty good and helped the team win! Still very proud of the Huskies for their great win against good teams in the trivalley area!


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Posted by Still upset
a resident of Harvest Park Middle School
on Aug 4, 2009 at 11:53 am

HPMS should've won the championship. Congrats to Hart but HP had more talent. The HP coach relied on his starters and didn't even devlop any of the other players. I felt awful for our boys who just sat on the bench watching their teammates play through the entire season and playoffs. When championship game against Hart came, I think the starters were exhausted and the coach didn't even put one of the other players in. Talk about a terrible coach and he was "nice"! My son sat on the bench almost the entire season. What a complete waste of time.


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Posted by Let them play
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm

As a parent and a coach of not just BB we are put into situations at times that we should take control of... first off I believe that every child who puts the effort into practice and is dedicated to whatever he/she has taken on be it a sport or for fun they deserve to play and enjoy the win or the loss together with the rest of the team.

I feel for you StillUpset...you may feel like it was a waste of time but in the long run it's amazing how these kids succeed in life in the long run.. I am proof of that...there is a lot more to life than these sports its a great way to get excercise and feel that you are a part of a team but at the end of the day who is going to care what you played in HS or at some point college...I doubt if any of these kids from our little town of Ptown will be in the NBA,NFL or whatever professional team.

To MB...congrats to those who played at Hart and won the championship.. I am sure those 2 kids are proud of what they accomplished hopefully their lives are fulfilling and they have friends and others things to fall back on in the future.

For all the others who complained about the coach... who really cares.. at the end of the day he still is a coach for a small town who if he is lucky will get his kid to play HS maybe college...woohoooooooo.. lets move on


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Posted by Still upset
a resident of Harvest Park Middle School
on Aug 4, 2009 at 10:36 pm

Who are you to say that my son won't play in college or the NBA or NFL or any professional team? Yeah it was a waste of time at HP but that doesn't mean my son gave up.

Just because this is a small town also doesn't mean that if my son plays college no one is going to care? Are you kidding me?? I will care, our family will care and yes this little town will care! Yes of course, my son studies hard and he has friends. Just because he loves basketball doesn't mean he doesn't do anything else. Why can't he also have dreams and shoot for the stars??

I hope that my son will never play for you. You are the worst kind of coach!

What are you going to say to YOUR kids when they aspire to be a professional soccer player, a doctor, fireman, judge or the president, are you going to say "oh too bad little Susie, we are from Pleasanton so you can't possibly be any of those things."

What about the Pleasanton girls soccer team? Someone just told me that NINE of them received scholarships! And yes maybe some will go on to play professionally . . .

We all need to believe that our kids, Pleasanton kids, CAN DO ANYTHING!


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Posted by Hope
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 4, 2009 at 11:09 pm

Well, the parents at least, can't even raise the money they voted for. Not sure the apples fall far from the tree.

We can always hope.


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Posted by Get Real
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 5, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Still Upset...

Doesn't seem like your son was being targeted here...I believe "let them play" is just saying it as it is, we should always encourage our children to be the best that they can be and strive for things that seem to be unreachable.. but we should also be realistic...

Don't take your frustration out on someone you don't know...he/she was not the one who did not believe in your child in the first place and not play him...

I am happy to say you are a great parent though..we must all believe in our own children and build them up no matter who or what tries to pull them down

My hats off to you




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Posted by Still upset
a resident of Harvest Park Middle School
on Aug 6, 2009 at 9:55 am

Thank you Get Real, yes our coach was terrible, but I think you didn't read very carefully what Let Them Play wrote . . .

"...at the end of the day who is going to care what you played in HS or at some point college...I doubt if any of these kids from our little town of Ptown will be in the NBA,NFL or whatever professional team."

I think any decent coach would be proud that his player made their HS or college team. Let Them Play believes that NO ONE in Pleasanton will EVER play professionally in ANY sport. It is that kind of mentality that crushes the spirit of a child who wants to see what he/she can accomplish.

He is worse than a coach who doesn't give minutes or even the coach that pushes too hard. Let Them Play is a coach who doesn't even care or much less, BELIEVE in the player, he is just going through the motions of "baby-sitting" the player . . . that to me is the worst kind of coach.


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Posted by Let them play
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2009 at 11:49 am

Still Upset........

My apologies for that comment.. I did not mean it in that way.....I am very proud of all the kids that I have coached to the max...I have afew have gone on to play in college maybe not D1 but played just as well..my point is and this is just my opinion and you may agree or disagree by no means

I feel that there are many parents out there that think that their children are happy to be pushed to the max.. I had a few kids that were awesome players but when their parents thought that that was his/her life goal it was a horrible experience for them.. it was very hard for them to tell their parents that they loved to play but not for a living...I guess my frustration came out a bit in my last post and my apologies....I just feel that a child should have the choice to go as far as they would like to and we as parents should enjoy the ride no matter where it leads them.

Again apologies.. and LET THEM PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by jimmmy
a resident of Las Positas
on Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26 pm

coach joe was the reason why i went to community college =(


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Posted by cc0472
a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2009 at 1:07 pm

cc0472 is a registered user.

Just spoke to a parent who has her son in this program who absolutely loves it! (Certainly I was concerned when I first started reading some of the posts on this thread especially these last three posts, that is bordering on slander and PW should remove these comments.) Her son just made his middle school team and he commented that all of the Argonauts players made their school teams. He seemed very excited about it and noticed that during the practices, the Argonauts players were clearly in better shape and knew how to play defense. He said the other players were whining about running so much. Sounds like this coach is doing some good things.


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Posted by jiffypop
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 24, 2009 at 12:13 am

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It is funny to me how people complain about a coach who they say is: a screamer, yells at the kids, "a jerk" but yet produces great players and win tournaments. Sounds like the competition entering these comments or someone who's kid was too wimpy to make the grade. And I had NEVER seen him approach ANYONE! Here's the bottom line: My son attended this program, as well as the Bulldogs and we are currently in a program in Concord. This coach is tough but they tell you that from the beginning that it is NOT for everyone. The kids and parents who can't take it, leave and go on to play with other teams that coddle and pacify their kids. (typical wussy Pleasanton BBall). Go play in Stockton or Los Angeles and see how their coaches react to their players. Look at NBA or college coaches. They are not sitting around yelling "Go lil' Jimmy, you can DO IT"! And even though my son is no longer in this program because we moved, He would go back in it in a heartbeat. This guy is a great coach of tough basketball. He doesn't care if you like him, he wants your kid to be a great bb player. If you want to baby your kids, take them to Kindercare. Maybe they have a Playskool hoop they can play with.


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Posted by ptownresident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 26, 2009 at 7:52 am

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My son has been with the Argonauts for about 2 years now and he loves it. As a number of previous comments indicated, this program is only for kids who are willing to work hard not only on their basketball skills, but also on conditioning. The kids who stick around long enough understand that the conditioning helps them not only to play better but also helps them from getting injured often. The coach is very sincere about teaching fundamental bball skills to the kids. As much as he yells at them while they are on the court, he also takes time at the end of practice to talk to each player about what they did well, what they need to work on, etc. He is passionate about teaching basketball and he often puts in more time than we paid for trying to help the kids.


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Posted by playfairnow
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 14, 2010 at 12:16 pm

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Note the initial rash of complaints against the Argonauts' basketball coach were posted all on thge same day. Someone, that is just one person is upset at Argonaut basketball coach Joe Domegas.

Joe does yell, as he expects the very best from your child.

You can argue with success all you want. The coach's son is the premier point guard in the area, n ow playing at Foothill HS, his Argonaut team members are now all playing freshman high school basketball, one member is even playing JV basketball at Bishop O'Dowd as a freshman under Tony Frfecerro the director and president of Triple Threat Basketball Academy.

If you have a problem with Joe, keep you son off the team, but there is no need to bad mouth him. Sounds as if you are jealous of the coach's success.



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