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Congratulations............you guys won.

Original post made by Jen on Jun 3, 2009

Hope you are happy with yourselves and your work to stop Measaure G from passing. Now what???? We lose class size reduction, library, reading specialists, and counselors. Our kids lose these services which they need.......congratulations, you got what you wanted.

The kids thank you and will continue to thank you each year.......job well done.

Comments (37)

Posted by Give Directly, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Jen, Read the Great Ideas thread and stop being so negative.


Posted by Give Directly, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jun 3, 2009 at 1:36 pm

My wife and I will continue to donate actual supplies to Amador Valley and Harvest Park, the schools our children attend. By purchasing needed supplies, we know the money won't be used for admin. cell phones and excessive salaries, and car allowances, charters buses to-and-from local games for our athletes, step and column pay increases for teachers, etc. We promise to pay $233 this year and $233 the following three years, adjusted upward for inflation. I encourage others to consider this direct-to-need investment in our schools, bypassing the middle players – state, county and local bureaucracies.


Posted by parent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 1:43 pm

to Give Directly,
Jen probably read the Great Ideas thread, but still chose to behave in a negative manner. She's one of those who would rather sit at a keyboard and whine then actually do something productive.

Thank you for being so positive and volunteering to support our schools with your contributions.


Posted by Give Directly, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jun 3, 2009 at 1:54 pm

parent, you are welcome. I think what's pretty cool is that we'll factor inflation in our contributions and I'm sure when all is said and done, we'll be giving much, much more than $233 per year.


Posted by Ray, a resident of Downtown
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:03 pm

parent,

So we should just forget how you "No on G" types just screwed our schools and move on to some lame "Great Ideas thread"? Here is a great idea: Maybe you should help fund our schools instead of being selfish.


Posted by Valium Works Wonders, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Gee, Ray, lighten up for God's sake. There are solutions that use a scalpel, not a sledge hammer.


Posted by Good job, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Give Directly- Good job my friend.


Posted by parent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Ray,
I already do fund the schools directly with donations to classrooms and volunteering for much more than $233 a year. I will keep doing that.
It's time to move past all the negativity instead of holding on to it.

But if whining about the election and choosing to be negative is what you need to get through the day, go ahead. Not very productive except to increase the bile in your liver.

Try to have a great day.


Posted by resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Ray,

This is my last response to negativity. I'll be spending my time on the positive solutions pages from now on. I just couldn't resist pointing out that with my CURRENT property tax bill, I am doing plenty to support our school system. And so is every other property owner within the taxable boundary.

Measure G is history. It was an ill conceived attempt by the district, unions, and others to play reverse roll Robin Hood. It failed. Bury your bitterness, move forward, and work to find a more uniformly equitable solution.


Posted by Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Give Directly-

I actually agree with Jen.....and feel she is being positive and putting it all out there. She is saying you achieved your goal, and you are up to bat. Present and implement your ideas that will support pleasanton kids without these programs that are gone. Show us what that looks like. You have the floor so don't be defensive when it is turned over to you since this is what you wanted. Great that you are willing to donate supplies to middle and high schools. I would never turn down a donation so please don't take it as criticism, but how does your "give-directly" theory provide intervention support and programs that require qualified people to service students. I am not arguing with you, just asking how your idea applies to programs that are gone.


Posted by Chicken Little, a resident of Downtown
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:53 pm

Jen is right!

Run for the hills!


Posted by Give Directly, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jun 3, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Karen, programs are not gone. All programs should be reviewed to see if they truly add value. When people give directly, it frees up funds for worthy programs. I stand by my point that Jen was negative.


Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Karen- I worried Pro G'ers would respond as you have. "...you are up to bat" comment is sad. I pray that other Pro G'ers don't try to throw their hands up and walk away saying that they have tried and now are done. "...when it is turned over to you" Sounds like you have washed your hands of the situation when you are the ones that have been saying all along you were more concerned with the children. Take your bat and go home, fine. It's up to all No G'ers' and Pro G'ers that care about kids, or whatever their reasons are (like home values, etc.) to roll up their sleeves and get to work, together as a team. "I would never turn down a donation so please don't take it as criticism" makes it sound as if you are a teacher, so if you are giving up quit and go somewhere else. You are one of the problems if money is all you care about. If you care about kids then the fight is just starting not over and done with. I look forward to both Pros and Cons coming up with ideas, how to implement the ideas, and how to judge their effectiveness.


Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm

Chicken Little- Exactly my point, leave if you are done. Those left will be those that care.


Posted by Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 4:38 pm

2ME4U---
To answer your question I am not a teacher, I am a student--a senior. I stand by what I said.......You are up to bat. Sure, if that is what you would like.............I am taking my bat and going home because I am going off to college. I don't have to live in a community where you have let us down. I have had the benefit of all these programs and services which as brought me to this point. That is why I am writing on here to let you know I agree with Jenand her first post.............. From a student's perspective who is IN the schools and a product of what we have had, I am sad it is gone for those behind me.


Posted by Save Our Schools, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm

2ME4U

Hold up hope. There are those of us who voted "Yes" who won't give up on our schools or students. We will find a way to work with the "no's" and with what we have. We will continue to find ways to fund programs and services.


Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:10 pm

Save Our Schools- Oh I know and am glad. If 'Karen' is who she says she is (probably not) then it is evidence that the current system is/was not perfect. Read her posts and tell me it's what we want kids to think. Try once and give up. Life is a long race, politics and issues facing the U.S. are not resolved with one issue. The informed know it wasn't a pass G and everything will be perfect anyway. Either way there is work to be done and will be done by many. Those people are the ones who care about Pleasanton more than measure G.


Posted by Your teacher, a resident of Kolb Ranch Estates
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:12 pm

Karen you are posting during class time? huh.


Posted by common sense, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:15 pm

As someone posted earlier, the 61% who voted for Prop G can donate that $233 amount or higher if they wish. It doesn't require a law to donate money. Anyone who is concerned can do it.


Posted by For Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:17 pm

What college will you be attending?


Posted by Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:20 pm

I'm not a student.


Posted by For Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:23 pm

Karen,
Wasn't this earlier post from you?
Posted by Karen, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 1 hour ago

2ME4U---

To answer your question I am not a teacher, I am a student--a senior. I stand by what I said.......You are up to bat. Sure, if that is what you would like.............I am taking my bat and going home because I am going off to college. I don't have to live in a community where you have let us down. I have had the benefit of all these programs and services which as brought me to this point. That is why I am writing on here to let you know I agree with Jenand her first post.............. From a student's perspective who is IN the schools and a product of what we have had, I am sad it is gone for those behind me.


Posted by Evolving, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jun 3, 2009 at 6:54 pm

I am a teacher in Fremont. I sold my home in Fremont and moved to Pleasanton about 13 years ago because this is the exact tone that the education discussion took in Fremont. Everyone knew the best way to proceed, there was a significant population that knew better than the district and the educators.

I am glad I moved my kids to PUSD. They would have attended Mission in Fremont and that remains a top school but it does not offer what we have here in Pleasanton.

One thing I never hear you all talk about - yes or no folks - is the shift we are seeing in demographics. Our need here in PUSD is increasing and if we do not increase funding with that need it will become a gap we can never close (Like most of Fremont and Oakland).

PUSD is a district like no other. I am proud my kids graduated from Amador but I am also glad they are out of this district. I think there are people who see what is coming and will be doing the same.

Stop the arguing and nitpicking and blaming and fund education or you will see people flee. We are at a pivotal point in the history of PUSD and I am not sure if many parents will just want to let their kids ride it out to see if history repeats.


Posted by Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 7:36 pm

I just said that because 2Be4U thinks he knows evrything when he does not.


Posted by For Karen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2009 at 8:51 pm

Just wanted to congratulate you for getting into ______ (whatever college) because this was a very hard year for students to get accepted. But if you're not a senior then guess the congratulations don't apply.


Posted by Parent, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 3, 2009 at 9:18 pm

This is not the end of the world. My children attended Vintage Hills and are now in high school. They had at least 30 kids in kindergarten. We didn't know any better. Parents were in the classroom helping. That was the way it was. Some of these kids are now seniors. They will be attending UC Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Yale and they survived having 31 in their class. They also survived having very weak teachers for 1st grade that were hired when class size reduction started. Everyone needs to work together. Help in the class. It's not all about $$$$. I will give my $233, and most likely more to our high school. It will take parents helping in the classroom in elementary school. We need to move forward and work together.


Posted by Failure of Self-Government, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2009 at 10:09 am

The fact that less than ONE PERCENT of the population of Pleasanton put the kibosh on these much needed funds for our schools is a travesty of the democratic process. It's even worse than the 2/3 requirement to adopt a state budget that the extreme right-wing anti-tax ideologues use to hold the majority hostage. Unfortunately, the TWENTY THOUSAND registered voters in Pleasanton that didn't vote on Tuesday enabled the 6400 of you who voted "no" to hold our kids hostage. This is not a victory of any kind or a vindication for your cause – it's a failure of self-government and why we are in such deep trouble in many, many areas in this country. You only get the kind of government you deserve.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 4, 2009 at 10:14 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Yes, congratulations. You're finally understanding why direct democracy in California is a failure. The 2/3 requirement was put in place by a vote of the people, then the people complain that they can't pass tax measures. Go figure.


Posted by trekmtb, a resident of Heritage Oaks
on Jun 4, 2009 at 10:17 am

6400 is 1% of 640,000.


Posted by Childless, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2009 at 12:07 pm

I don't understand why all the Pro-G'ers can't find another alternative to bring money into the schools other than taxing people who do not have children in the school system or people whose children already went through the school system. Instead of property owners paying money to the school district, how about parents paying??? It's their childrens education they are worried about so why not charge them a fee for class supplies and other programs. I understand it takes a village and all but I chose not to have children and should not have to pay for yours.


Posted by Because, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Childless-

because every property owner has a vested interest in the schools. Why should parents be the only ones to improve the schools, when the schools raise your property values????


Posted by Frank, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:06 pm



2ME4U,

You seem to have a misunderstanding of what the analogy of "you are up to bat' actually means. You may not have any direct experience with the game of baseball (or softball) but when someone is up to bat there is by definition nine other players on the field. No one has gone home. But the players in the field are now giving the opportunity to the batter to be the focus of the game at that moment, to take his or her "best cut at the ball." There is no negativity in this analogy. How odd that you would be so defensive about being asked to help move the game along by taking the forefront now. I would assume that the 38% of voters who denied the wishes of the other 62% of Pleasanton must have done so because they have better solutions...don't be offended because you are being asked to present them. Step up to the plate (another baseball analogy).


Posted by a unicorn, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Schools don't raise property values. The children who attend those schools and take those tests raise our property values. So listen up parents, if you want to raise your property values, educate your children and keep them under control.


Posted by Frank, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:21 pm



Trekmtb,

I don't think you understood "Failure of Self-Government's" post correctly. I read it to say the total number of no votes was 6400,
not that 1% was equal to 6400. My quick math show that 1% of the
total vote on G is a around 190 votes...190 voices that made the
difference. A failure of democracy? Jefferson warned us of the
"tyranny of the minority." This was one of his gravest misgivings
about the democratic system of government and why the United States is in fact a *federal republic* and not a democracy. The unfortunate truth is that the requirement of a 2/3 majority structurally destroys a democratic system and leads, indeed, to the ability of the minority to block the will of the majority - the antithesis of democracy.


Posted by Because, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:21 pm

wrong Unicorn.

People actually look at class sizes and programs not just test scores when looking into buying a home.

When surrounding cities/towns are offering more than PUSD, we WILL see people choosing to buy there, instead of here.


Posted by trekmtb, a resident of Heritage Oaks
on Jun 4, 2009 at 1:51 pm

Thanks Frank, I get the "tyranny of the minority" comment. I just don't get the math. It still doesn't add up.


Posted by Marissa, a resident of Castlewood
on Jun 4, 2009 at 9:30 pm

Come on people our schools are ok and G failing is not going to hurt property values one bit. We have good, average, and bad teachers so why vote to give them all raises?


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