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Union Eat Their Young!

Original post made by Unions eat their young!, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on May 6, 2009



Unions eat their young!

Pleasanton's teachers union is no different, The teachers that did not receive pink slips are willing to let their newer peers be sacrificed rather than negotiate step and column.

John Casey mislead the community saying that step & column is mandated by law. He has now admitted that it is negotiable. If the unions want to save their membership they can negotiate it just like most districts around the state are doing.

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Posted by love the title
a resident of Birdland
on May 6, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Love the dramatic title! Mmmm, young teachers! Better than chicken! Can't you just visualize a propaganda poster with a monstrous old tenured teacher eating a new, helpless one?

Seriously, the postings on here border on desperate. Stop trying to make the teachers the scapegoat. It's not their responsibility to finance programs in the district, it's the community's. If you don't value the programs vote "no" and if you do, vote "yes".

And teachers, thanks for the 2 furlough days. You didn't have to, but you did!


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Posted by Mom
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 5:15 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of the 2 furlough days is this: The teachers are usually PAID for a day when students do not attend class, giving the teachers the opportunities to attend workshops, classes, meetings to broaden their career knowledge and the furlough days are now days off WITHOUT pay, and therefore, no career advancement workshops, classes, meetings. The kids do not attend school, the teachers do not attend workshops and no one gets paid. Is this correct?? This is what I was told and I would just like to verify.
If it IS correct, then the only sacrifice I see being made is by the students, who miss out on their teachers receiving up to date training and new skills.


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Posted by Allison
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 6, 2009 at 5:22 pm

Mom

The teachers are paid for 185 days. With the two furlough days, they will now be paid for 183 day, whether they actually work or not on the two other days.

It works out close to 1.1% less in the coming year for all teachers as per their current contract. Essentially, most new teachers and any teacher that is at the bottom of the column will make less money next year. Other teachers will not see as much of an increase per their contract.

Bottom line, the teachers are definitely making a sacrifice.


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Posted by carrie
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 5:41 pm

Also, the teachers will take continuing ed. courses on their own time, when they used to get paid for taking classes on those 2 days. Teachers (like healthcare workers) take many continuing ed. courses where they are NOT getting paid. Now they will get paid for 2 less days of them. Thank you Teachers!!!


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Posted by Susie
a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on May 6, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Also, elementary teachers will be in their classrooms weeks before school starts to get everything ready for the students, this is all done on their own time, not part of their contracted days.


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Posted by PToWN94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 6:01 pm

PToWN94566 is a registered user.

Shouldn't teachers be continuing their education with or without the help of being paid? There are so many events go on in the classroom that a truly skilled teacher would continue to read and educate themselves, even if "paid days of training" aren't offered.

It's sad that education in this town is taking a route that involves money. Education shouldn't be this way and if the funds aren't there teachers should know how to teach the exact same subject matters just with different materials. I'm not saying that schools should operate on no money (since I have a feeling that someone else might construe my words and take them to the extreme), but some of these arguments are ridiculous. At the same time, some of the valid questions people have asked aren't being truthfully answered. The more I discuss this hot topic with family and friends, all I have gathered is that there hasn't been enough information to persuade someone to vote yes on G.


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Posted by WonderWoman
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Okay, has anyone noticed that the postings in the last few days have gone from discussions with information to just ridiculous stuff?

I detect a bit of leg pulling. Or it could be that some people are deliberately posting offensive or insulting comments to get a rise out of people or to portray other posters (both for and against G) negatively?

The people who have been trying to have a discussion about the parcel tax on these blogs have been trying to keep the discussion civilized and even inject a little humor at times.

Let's all stop being fooled by these bogus posts. They're just an annoying distraction from an issue that matters to this community.


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Posted by Ptown resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 6:26 pm

The continuing ed classes teachers take - are they required classes or are they additional education so that teachers can earn more money?
In non-government jobs, many of us also take additional classes to do things like learn new technology. Sometimes our employers require us to do it, and might send us to a class on company time. But most of the time, the extra classes or advanced degrees we get, we get because they may help us earn more money or get a promotion - and we have to take the classes on our own time.
Some people are lucky enough to work for an employer who provides some form of tuition reimbursement. But a lot of us just keep working on adding to our skills and education and pay for the classes ourselves and take them in the evenings, weekends or online.
I can empathize with teachers who have to give up free time to take classes, but it's no different than what those of us who aren't teachers do.


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Posted by Ben
a resident of California Reflections
on May 6, 2009 at 8:04 pm

The furlough days have little significance while they are still taking the step and column.

I will vote no to this salary tax.


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Posted by Get educated!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 8:58 pm

"The continuing ed classes teachers take - are they required classes or are they additional education so that teachers can earn more money?"

The two furlough days are not continuing ed. They are required days spent training with the entire staff, they are paid work days and do not earn extra pay for teachers.

In order for a teacher to make a move on the salary schedule (column), units must be paid for by the teacher and classes must be taken on their own time. It takes 15 units to move, at a cost of $204 per unit it costs teachers $9,180 to make a move.

Considering PUSD teachers are the only ones in this area making any kind of concession should speak for itself. SRUSD passed their parcel tax yesterday without a single concession. To say it means nothing, after the community "demanded" they do something is a real shame.


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Posted by justwondering
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 9:12 pm

Get Educated!! Could you please educated me on how you came up with $9,180? If I understand you correctly each unit costs $204 and it takes 15 units to move. I come up with it would cost a teacher $3,060 to make a move. $3,000 vs $9,000 is a big difference!!


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Posted by Yes on G
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 9:14 pm

Take a leap of faith and vote Yes on G!

Do it for our children, our schools, and our community.


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Posted by Janice
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 6, 2009 at 9:33 pm

"Considering PUSD teachers are the only ones in this area making any kind of concession should speak for itself. SRUSD passed their parcel tax yesterday without a single concession. To say it means nothing, after the community "demanded" they do something is a real shame."

I agree!

Stop using teachers as scapegoats.

They were told to make concessions, so they made a concession that would not take away from kids instructional days and would be be equitable with the amount citizens would pay over the 4 years of the parcel tax (even though many of them do not live in Pleasanton and pay parcel taxes in their own communities).

Two points:

1) Teachers are not super wealthy. If they are considering the pursuit of a master's degree, the financial burden of doing so is a factor in that decision. Most take out a loan and then count on using the column raise to pay off the loan. It often takes several years to do this. If they do not pay for the education, they do not get the "raise".

2) It is not teachers responsibility to make up for the budget shortfall from the state so that our kids can have programs. They provide a service. If we value the service, we fund it. If we don't, we vote "no".

No, I'm not a teacher.


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Posted by Get educated!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Sorry Just Wondering, I didn't explain that correctly.

The columns on the salary schedule are a BA+30 units, BA+45 units(with the additive cost of $9,180 which I quoted), BA+60 units, and a teacher maxes out at a BA+75 units with a total personal investment of $15,300. It is 15 units between columns.

I didn't mean to post misinformation, thanks for asking for clarification.


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Posted by Ben
a resident of California Reflections
on May 6, 2009 at 9:47 pm

The community suggested that they could save their peers from layoffs by making a real concession. Many other districts around the state are taking cuts to prevent layoffs. Certainly it is the norm in the privet sector.

By the teachers taking two more days off (they work 183 days and get 182 days a year off) they give a total concession of $760,000 over the 4 year term of the tax. In that same period they get 15 Million in raises. Not much of a concession.

It is irrelevant anyway the tax will not pass.


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Posted by Not Right Now
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 7, 2009 at 11:33 am

It is important to note that the two furlough days will only come into effect if the Parcel Tax Passes. If it doesn't pass, then the two furlough days are null and void.

Our wonderful teacher's have my unending support through my monitary donations, donation of supplies and my personal time volunteering.

I simply cannot ignore the facts I've read from some very informed individuals on the opposition side of the tax and I will be voting No on Measure G.


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Posted by Katie
a resident of Ruby Hill
on May 8, 2009 at 11:52 am

Just laying off the young teachers is a dumb thing to do. I could name like, 5 teachers I think should be gone since some of them don't even use the whiteboard!! But yes, there are some young teachers that are slightly inapropriate and should be gone. SIcne they aren't aware of their actions!


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